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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 13:51:46 GMT -5
but would we have still gotten the DaVinci's, Shakespeare's and Edison's of the world? From a hard-core nondualistic perspective all of the stuff those minds created is simply more Maya. Interesting yes, but fundamentally transient and unsubstantial. Oh deary me. When you go into battle with Maya, it's best to know whether she's licking you round the chops and you can't even see her doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 14:33:21 GMT -5
Sure. All kinds of creative stuff can be done without conscious thought. Conscious thought is highly over-rated. I don't think it matters if there is thought, or no thought. but society couldn't wait for some non conscious thinker to create the power grid so we put some of our best thinkers on that temporary project Not that I'm a fan of Tolle or that I am not, indifference, but he had an interesting take on the question of creativity and nonduality. I believe it was some conference regarding creativity, lots of big big heads, famous ones, including Tolle, maybe Laughy too. Tolle said while watching World Cup penalty kicks he noted players who paused before they kicked were generally more successful. He surmised they tapped into something deep, prior to thought.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 27, 2019 16:12:27 GMT -5
Sure. All kinds of creative stuff can be done without conscious thought. Conscious thought is highly over-rated. I don't think it matters if there is thought, or no thought. but society couldn't wait for some non conscious thinker to create the power grid so we put some of our best thinkers on that temporary project I agree that it doesn't matter whether there is thought or no thought, but the question was whether or not there could be highly creative people in the absence of conscious thought, and clearly there can be.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 27, 2019 16:14:12 GMT -5
From a hard-core nondualistic perspective all of the stuff those minds created is simply more Maya. Interesting yes, but fundamentally transient and unsubstantial. Oh deary me. When you go into battle with Maya, it's best to know whether she's licking you round the chops and you can't even see her doing it.
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Post by roydop on Nov 27, 2019 16:54:05 GMT -5
From a hard-core nondualistic perspective all of the stuff those minds created is simply more Maya. Interesting yes, but fundamentally transient and unsubstantial. Oh deary me. When you go into battle with Maya, it's best to know whether she's licking you round the chops and you can't even see her doing it. I don't know what "licking you around the chops" means, but I see every move she makes. She is good at what she does.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 18:30:15 GMT -5
Oh deary me. When you go into battle with Maya, it's best to know whether she's licking you round the chops and you can't even see her doing it. I don't know what "licking you around the chops" means, but I see every move she makes. She is good at what she does. Of course you do. There aren't any moves that she does that could escape your notice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 18:32:19 GMT -5
Not that I'm a fan of Tolle or that I am not, indifference, but he had an interesting take on the question of creativity and nonduality. I believe it was some conference regarding creativity, lots of big big heads, famous ones, including Tolle, maybe Laughy too. Tolle said while watching World Cup penalty kicks he noted players who paused before they kicked were generally more successful. He surmised they tapped into something deep, prior to thought. I would have thought the pause before the kick would be to give the goalie time to overthink the situation It's so that the striker has a split second to know which way the goalie is going and to smash the ball in the opposite corner.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Nov 27, 2019 20:15:18 GMT -5
Perhaps there is neither thinking nor not-thinking, but only the thought of thinking, or the thought of not-thinking.
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 27, 2019 20:41:11 GMT -5
but would we have still gotten the DaVinci's, Shakespeare's and Edison's of the world? From a hard-core nondualistic perspective all of the stuff those minds created is simply more Maya. Interesting yes, but fundamentally transient and unsubstantial. Yeah but you can't get rid of it. And why would you want to? You could even enjoy it. For the wise, the world becomes a mansion of delights. - Sri Ramakrishna
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 27, 2019 20:48:51 GMT -5
but would we have still gotten the DaVinci's, Shakespeare's and Edison's of the world? Sure. All kinds of creative stuff can be done without conscious thought. Conscious thought is highly over-rated. You can't have thoughts without consciousness.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 27, 2019 20:51:39 GMT -5
Sure. All kinds of creative stuff can be done without conscious thought. Conscious thought is highly over-rated. You can't have thoughts without consciousness. Fortunately there can be consciousness without thoughts.
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 27, 2019 20:52:34 GMT -5
You can't have thoughts without consciousness. Fortunately there can be consciousness without thoughts. Yeah but you wouldn't get much done.
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Post by roydop on Nov 27, 2019 21:42:40 GMT -5
Fortunately there can be consciousness without thoughts. Yeah but you wouldn't get much done. I'm already doing the universe. What more?
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Post by roydop on Nov 27, 2019 21:46:02 GMT -5
From a hard-core nondualistic perspective all of the stuff those minds created is simply more Maya. Interesting yes, but fundamentally transient and unsubstantial. Yeah but you can't get rid of it. And why would you want to? You could even enjoy it. For the wise, the world becomes a mansion of delights. - Sri Ramakrishna Enjoyment passes, as do mansions and delights.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 27, 2019 21:53:53 GMT -5
Fortunately there can be consciousness without thoughts. Yeah but you wouldn't get much done. Au contraire. If anything, more would get done (as Gary Weber discovered when his mind talk suddenly ceased one day). Many others have also made this discovery. It's like the difference between reading and speed reading.
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