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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:59:25 GMT -5
I would have thought the pause before the kick would be to give the goalie time to overthink the situation It's so that the striker has a split second to know which way the goalie is going and to smash the ball in the opposite corner. I think Tolle is on to something. When I used to write code, the breakthroughs seemed to come after pauses, when the mind gave in.
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 27, 2019 22:32:39 GMT -5
Yeah but you can't get rid of it. And why would you want to? You could even enjoy it. For the wise, the world becomes a mansion of delights. - Sri Ramakrishna Enjoyment passes, as do mansions and delights. So what? Who cares?
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 27, 2019 22:37:19 GMT -5
Yeah but you wouldn't get much done. Au contraire. If anything, more would get done (as Gary Weber discovered when his mind talk suddenly ceased one day). Many others have also made this discovery. It's like the difference between reading and speed reading. I've never had a conscious thought in my life nor has anybody else in the entire history of the planet. A thought just appears and disappears. Even if you sit down and think to yourself, I'm going to consciously work through this problem, there are still only thoughts spontaneously appearing and disappearing. There is no doer whether you think there is or not. And if you think there is that's just another thought spontaneously appearing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 4:09:15 GMT -5
It's so that the striker has a split second to know which way the goalie is going and to smash the ball in the opposite corner. I think Tolle is on to something. When I used to write code, the breakthroughs seemed to come after pauses, when the mind gave in. You can project anything onto the situation to further your own understanding of your processes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 4:14:55 GMT -5
Yeah but you wouldn't get much done. I'm already doing the universe. What more? How about loving your youniverse?
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Post by laughter on Nov 28, 2019 4:21:43 GMT -5
As far as advice goes this is quite good, and probably in many cases - if not most, about as good as it gets. But, is everyone really ready for it? And on the flip-side, "at the end of that path", the capital of Complications is still quite clearly visible there, in the rear-view mirror. Some folks who've realized that truth might decide to pay a visit and even speak their lingo with the inhabitants while they're there. In my experience hardly anyone is ready for it, but as Nis said: "I'm not here to teach kindergarten"; there's enough of that going on already. The rest of what you said i don't understand. Care to elaborate?I do believe that there are great truths being revealed in this era, but along with that there is a MASSIVE movement toward deepening delusion. Truth and Reality are increasingly becoming twisted and distorted. Maya is creating a new reality and luring human consciousness into it. heh heh, well, as I already said .. "the more things change the more they stay the same". A quiet mind can peruse history using intellect and discern all sorts of repeating patterns. While I haven't read alot of it, what I've overheard from other's about Hindu scripture, much of that scripture is about this phenomenon. Let me elaborate with an example: Adyashanti. Here are two examples of talks where he engages with complicated movements of mind:
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Post by laughter on Nov 28, 2019 4:28:30 GMT -5
I don't think it matters if there is thought, or no thought. but society couldn't wait for some non conscious thinker to create the power grid so we put some of our best thinkers on that temporary project Not that I'm a fan of Tolle or that I am not, indifference, but he had an interesting take on the question of creativity and nonduality. I believe it was some conference regarding creativity, lots of big big heads, famous ones, including Tolle, maybe Laughy too. Tolle said while watching World Cup penalty kicks he noted players who paused before they kicked were generally more successful. He surmised they tapped into something deep, prior to thought. (** muttley snicker **)
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Post by laughter on Nov 28, 2019 4:31:34 GMT -5
Not that I'm a fan of Tolle or that I am not, indifference, but he had an interesting take on the question of creativity and nonduality. I believe it was some conference regarding creativity, lots of big big heads, famous ones, including Tolle, maybe Laughy too. Tolle said while watching World Cup penalty kicks he noted players who paused before they kicked were generally more successful. He surmised they tapped into something deep, prior to thought. I would have thought the pause before the kick would be to give the goalie time to overthink the situation In real football the delay comes from the opposing sides' coach. It's called a "freeze out", costs a time-out, is usually only done near the end of a half, and has to be exquisitely timed so the placekicker doesn't get in a practice run.
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Post by laughter on Nov 28, 2019 4:36:07 GMT -5
Yeah but you wouldn't get much done. Au contraire. If anything, more would get done (as Gary Weber discovered when his mind talk suddenly ceased one day). Many others have also made this discovery. It's like the difference between reading and speed reading. Hey, I discovered an even more direct example of WIBIGO with speed reading: sudoku. You're not gonna' like this, but there is an intellectual explanation for what's happening.
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Post by laughter on Nov 28, 2019 4:40:06 GMT -5
Sure. All kinds of creative stuff can be done without conscious thought. Conscious thought is highly over-rated. You can't have thoughts without consciousness. Two different uses of the word "conscious", distinguished by context.
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 28, 2019 4:58:24 GMT -5
You can't have thoughts without consciousness. Two different uses of the word "conscious", distinguished by context. Yes that's true, but I'm wondering what the point is. Sometimes we act with deliberation and sometimes we just act without thinking and that's true for everyone. I think what zd is getting at is when thinking and action becomes effortless, natural and spontaneous, it seems like there is no one doing anything in a conscious deliberate way. It just flows.
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Post by roydop on Nov 28, 2019 7:11:00 GMT -5
In my experience hardly anyone is ready for it, but as Nis said: "I'm not here to teach kindergarten"; there's enough of that going on already. The rest of what you said i don't understand. Care to elaborate?I do believe that there are great truths being revealed in this era, but along with that there is a MASSIVE movement toward deepening delusion. Truth and Reality are increasingly becoming twisted and distorted. Maya is creating a new reality and luring human consciousness into it. heh heh, well, as I already said .. "the more things change the more they stay the same". A quiet mind can peruse history using intellect and discern all sorts of repeating patterns. While I haven't read alot of it, what I've overheard from other's about Hindu scripture, much of that scripture is about this phenomenon. Let me elaborate with an example: Adyashanti. Here are two examples of talks where he engages with complicated movements of mind: All spiritual teaching is condensed into: Primarily, Ramana sitting. Secondary, Ramana: "Do away with present thoughts." The irony is that the text: "Nonconceptuality" is the evolution (modernized) of all of the great spiritual texts and it doesn't matter. This information is really for my own Enlightenment. As Ramana said: "Upon waking, are you concerned with the state of the dream characters?" My world is mine and when i'm done it's done. Even so, Bhagavan made himself available to others right until His death.
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Post by roydop on Nov 28, 2019 7:12:36 GMT -5
Enjoyment passes, as do mansions and delights. So what? Who cares? I suppose those who wish for Reality and to be free of the cycle of Samsara, care.
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Post by roydop on Nov 28, 2019 7:15:38 GMT -5
I'm already doing the universe. What more? How about loving your youniverse? Oh oh, there's that 4 letter "L" word. Love/acceptance is included in pure Awareness.
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 28, 2019 7:45:16 GMT -5
I suppose those who wish for Reality and to be free of the cycle of Samsara, care. Reality includes that which comes and goes. Life is meant to be enjoyed. It's a great gift.
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