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Post by laughter on Aug 1, 2019 16:02:47 GMT -5
It depends on who I'm talking to. You haven't realized the reality of what I say in that quote. I'm having a chat with you while you sit on 2nd mountain where you have to first discriminate between unchanging and changing as if they are separate. That's what you are ready for right now. Rather than just throwing out statements like that, could you please offer up the actual words I've written that have you so certain of where I sit? What is that assessment based upon? I have no problem answering actual challenges to my message. I welcome it actually. But it's pretty much impossible to respond to baseless opinion. One of the things I learned loooong before picking up Tolle was that, for the most part, it's best to let people believe what they want to believe. Funny, looking back, how the dialog on this forum led me to movements of mind counter to that wisdom.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 17:54:25 GMT -5
Rather than just throwing out statements like that, could you please offer up the actual words I've written that have you so certain of where I sit? What is that assessment based upon? I have no problem answering actual challenges to my message. I welcome it actually. But it's pretty much impossible to respond to baseless opinion. One of the things I learned loooong before picking up Tolle was that, for the most part, it's best to let people believe what they want to believe. Funny, looking back, how the dialog on this forum led me to movements of mind counter to that wisdom. Yeah....Ultimately, that's what's gonna happen anyway so long as one's opinion of others is driven by an agenda.
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 18:26:46 GMT -5
You are experiencing on a personal level, and creating on an impersonal level. I'm uncertain what it means to say the appearance of cause/effect is valuable. He is asking what's the use of knowing the illusion of cause and effort. For one, it's the truth, and truth is it's own justification. It also isn't going to make life betterer for the SVP. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 18:33:11 GMT -5
Nobody rejects the world or thinks of creation as anything but divine. As usual, it seems like we're not getting the message across. Yeah. It's interesting how seeing it all as akin to a dream/story, continuously gets conflated with rejection and denigration....which seems to indicate that loving/embracing life, seeing it all as divine, somehow hinges upon taking it all to be more than an appearance in consciousness.
I guess, 'an appearance in consciousness' is somehow deemed not valid/substantial enough to warrant loving embrace or divinity...? Some sort of greater substance must be assigned before it can be 'divine'...?
Yeah, it's a little confusing. 'In/as Consciousness' reinforces the idea that it is all literally the divine. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 18:40:46 GMT -5
Could you indicate what I specifically said there that has you worried about 'personality disassociation'? To hesitate about accepting medical advice and treatment because the body is just an illusion or not be concerned about climate change because everything is just an appearance in Consciousness is not healthy enlightened thinking. This is when thinking about non-duality becomes potentially dangerous unless there is a corresponding direct experience of the Self which integrates everything including personality and the world. But such is your ignorance that you cannot even accept a structured approach to practice which you made clear in the other thread because for you there are no rules whatsoever. You are lost in a cloud where nothing is real for you. So throw your garbage in the street and stop feeding your kids and let them starve to death because they are just appearances in Consciousness. Neglect your body if it gets sick because it's just an illusion. This is insanity and it has nothing to do with the teachings of traditional non-duality which accepts the world and the personal. Consider the possibility that you've misunderstood what was said. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 18:44:37 GMT -5
Nobody rejects the world or thinks of creation as anything but divine. As usual, it seems like we're not getting the message across. Your message is confused and lacking in Clarity because it's only based on a conceptual nondual belief system. Confused and lacking in clarity does sound familiar. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 18:47:54 GMT -5
"heh heh why even eat might as well hold your breath because it's all an illusion heh heh" Just let the breathing continue because it's just an appearance in consciousness right, and if you stop breathing that too will be just an appearance in consciousness. My post is a complete illusion so never mind. It all good. Lickgurt Fortin zaplock wellfun. Realization will clear up your confusion. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 18:58:05 GMT -5
You are experiencing on a personal level, and creating on an impersonal level. I'm uncertain what it means to say the appearance of cause/effect is valuable. It has to do with reverence and faith. Reverence for this life and all that is in it and faith that we'll all discover peace. For me there's no peace in detaching from life, but there is in surrender and acceptance. So you think it's about detaching from life? |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 19:09:32 GMT -5
It's problematic we search answer because we believe in cause and effect. Searching continue to happen until we notice the illusion of that I don't think I'm searching anymore. QM is more like a hobby for me. It's fun, like a giant puzzle. Everyone believes in cause and effect. You wouldn't post here otherwise. There would be no forum. Yet there is and you post. The truth has nothing to do with beliefs, however. Not true. What I 'believe in' is correlation and non-volition. I know that if I type on my keyboard, words will appear on the screen. I also know I am not doing it. It's kind of a back door approach to surrender to the Divine, but without the God stories. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 1, 2019 19:57:44 GMT -5
One of the things I learned loooong before picking up Tolle was that, for the most part, it's best to let people believe what they want to believe. Funny, looking back, how the dialog on this forum led me to movements of mind counter to that wisdom. Yeah....Ultimately, that's what's gonna happen anyway so long as one's opinion of others is driven by an agenda.
But, agenda's are just like ego's .. always easy to see the other guy's.  |
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Post by satchitananda on Aug 1, 2019 21:09:26 GMT -5
One of the things I learned loooong before picking up Tolle was that, for the most part, it's best to let people believe what they want to believe. Funny, looking back, how the dialog on this forum led me to movements of mind counter to that wisdom. Yeah....Ultimately, that's what's gonna happen anyway so long as one's opinion of others is driven by an agenda.
I'm so relieved that you've cottoned on to my agenda. Of course I have an agenda. Isn't that obvious by now! |
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Post by satchitananda on Aug 1, 2019 21:11:03 GMT -5
It has to do with reverence and faith. Reverence for this life and all that is in it and faith that we'll all discover peace. For me there's no peace in detaching from life, but there is in surrender and acceptance. So you think it's about detaching from life? He didn't say that did he? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 21:31:07 GMT -5
It has to do with reverence and faith. Reverence for this life and all that is in it and faith that we'll all discover peace. For me there's no peace in detaching from life, but there is in surrender and acceptance. So you think it's about detaching from life? No, I don't. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 21:33:55 GMT -5
The body IS an illusion, because an illusion is that which appears and disappears as an experience. That is the meaning of illusion. What do you think it means? So do you maintain that that is the meaning of illusion (illusion is: that which appears/disappears) or does the meaning itself of illusion change depending upon who you are talking to? If it changes, why stand your ground as I put forth an alternate meaning that you yourself have previously used? Why not admit that you too use the term 'illusion' at times in the very same way that I am now using it? It seems like you are far more interested in being right than pointing to Truth. I have a different definition of insanity that he does, too. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 21:47:39 GMT -5
One of the things I learned loooong before picking up Tolle was that, for the most part, it's best to let people believe what they want to believe. Funny, looking back, how the dialog on this forum led me to movements of mind counter to that wisdom. Yeah....Ultimately, that's what's gonna happen anyway so long as one's opinion of others is driven by an agenda.
That's the thing. When there's nonsense and insanity and flawful logic and poopyness and unconsciousness going on, there's always an agenda driving it. Though I must say, it doesn't seem like the best way to win an enlightenment competition. |
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