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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 21:50:22 GMT -5
I don't think I'm searching anymore. QM is more like a hobby for me. It's fun, like a giant puzzle. Everyone believes in cause and effect. You wouldn't post here otherwise. There would be no forum. Yet there is and you post. The truth has nothing to do with beliefs, however. Not true. What I 'believe in' is correlation and no-volition. I know that if I type on my keyboards, words will appear on the screen. I also know I am not doing it. It's kind of a back door approach to surrender to the Divine, but without the God stories. One of the indicators of cause and effect is correlation. There was a correlation between lung cancer and smoking cigarettes, that was later shown to be causal. You've just come up with a word to avoid admitting that you very much live as if cause and effect were real. You tie your shoes. You brush your teeth. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 21:50:49 GMT -5
Yeah. It's interesting how seeing it all as akin to a dream/story, continuously gets conflated with rejection and denigration....which seems to indicate that loving/embracing life, seeing it all as divine, somehow hinges upon taking it all to be more than an appearance in consciousness.
I guess, 'an appearance in consciousness' is somehow deemed not valid/substantial enough to warrant loving embrace or divinity...? Some sort of greater substance must be assigned before it can be 'divine'...?
Yeah, it's a little confusing. 'In/as Consciousness' reinforces the idea that it is all literally the divine. Yes! Exactly.
Don't need no extra layer of divinity upon divinity itself to make it divine.
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 21:52:22 GMT -5
So you think it's about detaching from life? He didn't say that did he? That's why I was asking. Please go away. |
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Post by satchitananda on Aug 1, 2019 21:56:38 GMT -5
He didn't say that did he? That's why I was asking. Please go away. 😀😀😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 21:57:27 GMT -5
Yeah....Ultimately, that's what's gonna happen anyway so long as one's opinion of others is driven by an agenda.
I'm so relieved that you've cottoned on to my agenda. Of course I have an agenda. Isn't that obvious by now! To win the most enlightened dude on the forum award?  |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 22:00:28 GMT -5
Not true. What I 'believe in' is correlation and no-volition. I know that if I type on my keyboards, words will appear on the screen. I also know I am not doing it. It's kind of a back door approach to surrender to the Divine, but without the God stories. One of the indicators of cause and effect is correlation. There was a correlation between lung cancer and smoking cigarettes, that was later shown to be causal. You've just come up with a word to avoid admitting that you very much live as if cause and effect were real. You tie your shoes. You brush your teeth. I'm not trying to avoid admitting that. I do act as if cause/effect is happening. I'm telling you it's not. I'm telling you what's happening is correlation. I'm telling you so that you might look and see if it's true, no so that you will act as if it's true. |
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Post by satchitananda on Aug 1, 2019 22:03:59 GMT -5
I'm so relieved that you've cottoned on to my agenda. Of course I have an agenda. Isn't that obvious by now! To win the most enlightened dude on the forum award? I just tell it as like it is. If that's having an agenda then so be it. If being challenged bruises your ego then it shows that your state is not what you think it is. If you are beyond all of that then my comments will be of no concern to you. It is that which validates my approach. You will have noticed that I don't challenge everyone. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 22:05:14 GMT -5
I'm so relieved that you've cottoned on to my agenda. Of course I have an agenda. Isn't that obvious by now! To win the most enlightened dude on the forum award? As it's relative, that agenda can also be accomplished by making others look dangerously unenlightened by comparison. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 1, 2019 22:08:04 GMT -5
To win the most enlightened dude on the forum award? I just tell it as like it is. If that's having an agenda then so be it. If being challenged bruises your ego then it shows that your state is not what you think it is. If you are beyond all of that then my comments will be of no concern to you. It is that which validates my approach. You will have noticed that I don't challenge everyone.Yes, I've noticed you only challenge those who bruise your ego. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 22:13:25 GMT -5
To win the most enlightened dude on the forum award? As it's relative, that agenda can also be accomplished by making others look dangerously unenlightened by comparison. By Jesus' accounting I'd be the winner. You, zd, figs, sat and laffy far behind. "The least among you is the gr--most enlightened." |
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Post by satchitananda on Aug 1, 2019 22:16:46 GMT -5
I just tell it as like it is. If that's having an agenda then so be it. If being challenged bruises your ego then it shows that your state is not what you think it is. If you are beyond all of that then my comments will be of no concern to you. It is that which validates my approach. You will have noticed that I don't challenge everyone.Yes, I've noticed you only challenge those who bruise your ego. That's funny because you have the most bruised ego in the forum, but you try to disguise it with disparagement and a few jokes. You could say that's an illusion I've seen through. 😀😀 This is a forum supposedly about truth so I welcome challenges. You dread them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 22:31:52 GMT -5
To win the most enlightened dude on the forum award? If that's having an agenda then so be it. If being challenged bruises your ego then it shows that your state is not what you think it is. If you are beyond all of that then my comments will be of no concern to you. It is that which validates my approach. You will have noticed that I don't challenge everyone. Well, no, you don't. And that's what I take issue with. If you truly were challenging my message, that would be cool...as I said, I'd welcome it. But you never do directly. Rather, you read things into my message that are not there and fail to read the message that is there, and then argue down the straw-man you've erected.
For example; Somehow you have me so disinterested and disengaged with the appearing world, that you suggest just throw them kids out on the streets, refusing to feed or care for them. But all along, I've been very careful to stress the point that seeing life as akin to a dream does not equal disinterest or a complete disengagement from life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 22:37:04 GMT -5
To win the most enlightened dude on the forum award? As it's relative, that agenda can also be accomplished by making others look dangerously unenlightened by comparison. True. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 22:41:57 GMT -5
One of the indicators of cause and effect is correlation. There was a correlation between lung cancer and smoking cigarettes, that was later shown to be causal. You've just come up with a word to avoid admitting that you very much live as if cause and effect were real. You tie your shoes. You brush your teeth. I'm not trying to avoid admitting that. I do act as if cause/effect is happening. I'm telling you it's not. I'm telling you what's happening is correlation. I'm telling you so that you might look and see if it's true, no so that you will act as if it's true. Like I've said. I tend to agree. At the sub-atomic level, it almost seems haphazard until consciousness intervenes then there's definitely a particle in some specific location because it is observed. But that and a box of Cracker Jacks makes for a sweet snack and nothing else. Old Zen story: The Zen Master asks his disciple if he washed his hands before sitting down to eat his rice. The disciple thinking to challenge his teacher replies by asking "what hands?" Thinking himself clever he sits down to eat his meal. The next day, the Zen Master asks the disciple again if he washed his hands. The disciple thinking he'd got the best of the exchange the night before again replies with "what hands?" Then when he lifts the cover off his rice bowl, it's empty. When he asks where the rice is, his sensei smiles. The moral of the story is ... |
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Post by satchitananda on Aug 1, 2019 23:24:05 GMT -5
Somehow you have me so disinterested and disengaged with the appearing world, that you suggest just throw them kids out on the streets, refusing to feed or care for them. But all along, I've been very careful to stress the point that seeing life as akin to a dream does not equal disinterest or a complete disengagement from life. Oh really? Does this sound like engagement to you? "How invested in the science behind global warming can you really get if you are fully aware that the world arises anew each moment....that there is no objectively existent world 'out there'.....no separation....that how the world appears, it's conditions cannot really be predicted because within the story, anything is possible....nothing is actually causing anything else.... It's all one unified moment that is not subject to/reliant upon man's mental plans for a better world...?" How about this? "If I did accept treatment, on the surface of things I may speak about it as something I am doing to slow down progression, however, the bigger/transcendent picture will loom larger....the seeing that the condition, the treatment, the resonance with that, and the slowing of progression/or not, is all inextricably One....a singular movement." |
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