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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2021 4:19:50 GMT -5
I'm also guessing the passport won't bother you 'much', you're not young for a start. But as a progressive, I would have thought that you might be 'bothered' by your grandchildren's future though. He is possibly the only person in the field of political and social commentary that I would be happy to say, ''you speak for me'' Not young has something to do with it alright. And the grandkids future is wide open, there's no reason to saddle them with our generations fears and anxieties. And I wouldn't call myself a progressive but I don't necessarily see anything wrong with this definition : one believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action Why do you assume that concerns about digital health passes, AI, and the 4th industrial revolution are an anxiety of your generation? There are tons of much younger people rightly concerned about their future. It would be a little weird for young people not to be concerned about the changes we've seen in the last year (and I'm not talking about the virus itself). And if your grandkids aren't even teenagers, then I agree that 'saddling them with concerns' is not a good idea, but then perhaps you should be considering their future for them, instead of taking the approach, 'how will this affect my own little life' I notice that you have OFTEN said something along the lines of, ''why should I care about that, it won't affect me either way'' as a support or defence of your social-political views. It's an interesting thing to say from someone who I have witnessed spending many hours online attacking Trump and supporting Biden. Especially as the Dems tend to promote ideas of 'social justice' and 'social improvement' and 'consider your grandkids', which contrasts your self-centred approach of ''will it affect me personally''. Were Trump's policies personally affecting you? Or was it just something about his character/personality that you apparently hated and was eating you up inside? If it was his policies, which of his policies affected you personally?
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2021 5:25:12 GMT -5
Why do you assume that concerns about digital health passes, AI, and the 4th industrial revolution are an anxiety of your generation? There are tons of much younger people rightly concerned about their future. It would be a little weird for young people not to be concerned about the changes we've seen in the last year (and I'm not talking about the virus itself). I notice that you have OFTEN said something along the lines of, ''why should I care about that, it won't affect me either way'' as a support or defence of your social-political views. It's an interesting thing to say from someone who I have witnessed spending many hours online attacking Trump and supporting Biden. Especially as the Dems tend to promote ideas of 'social justice' and 'social improvement' and 'consider your grandkids', which contrasts your self-centred approach of ''will it affect me personally''. Were Trump's policies personally affecting you? Or was it just something about his character/personality that you apparently hated and was eating you up inside? If it was his policies, which of his policies affected you personally? I don't hate anything, but I did not enjoy the mad cap adventures of the Trump admin, that's for sure. But he's gone now, which is all I really cared about. I'd prefer the environment not be sacrificed for short term gain, that basic services not be farmed out to private for-profit entities, that immigrants be treated with respect and compassion... to name a few. Why? You have said lots of times that you only care about what affects 'you' directly, and I guess none of those things personally affect you 'much' now, or in the future, so why do you care? Why did you want to get rid of Trump so much? Were his policies affecting you, or was his personality affecting you? How did his 'mad cap adventures' affect you?
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 5:35:24 GMT -5
With that kind of reply you wasted your time, and wasted mine too ... I don't understand this reaction. If anyone (besides "inavalan") thinks I did something obnoxious or inappropriate, please let me know, here or in a private message. Otherwise I will assume he reacted to something in his imagination. I felt I was offering a calm, rational, skeptical explanation about hypnosis in surgery. My second paragraph felt to me like a light-hearted half-joke about the interesting rituals around the bullet ants. No, your post was neither obnoxious nor inappropriate, and yes, the ant story was slapstick.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 5:41:47 GMT -5
I don't understand this reaction. If anyone (besides "inavalan") thinks I did something obnoxious or inappropriate, please let me know, here or in a private message. Otherwise I will assume he reacted to something in his imagination. I felt I was offering a calm, rational, skeptical explanation about hypnosis in surgery. My second paragraph felt to me like a light-hearted half-joke about the interesting rituals around the bullet ants. Don't play the victim ... You just made baseless statements that don'd even deserve a rebuttal. If you attempted a joke, it wasn't funny. If your post was calm, rational, skeptical, then we have different definitions for those words ... Waste of time. You wrote: The basis for the statements was an interest in and ideas and opinions on the topic of hypnotic anesthesia.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 5:50:42 GMT -5
Some say the big media companies are leading folks around like dogs on a leash, by deciding which stories are published, how the story is framed, but also by what 'they leave out'. Ha! but for one, which 'media company' are we talking about? CNN (for example)? (which is owned by Warner Media.. so are we talking about ATT?) or was there a specific story in mind? (perhaps one that was framed in a biased way?) (and if so.. who cares and so what ) and what they "leave out" is... well.. almost everything! Yes, but they also leave out key facts to support the narratives they want to propagate, such as "orange man bad", facts that would counter the narrative. This was always the case for as long as there have been radio and TV broadcasts, but it got progressively (hee hee) worse over the years, until now they're actually constantly gaslighting people. One major tell is that all of the big-money media are and have been on the same page on a number of topics for going on 10 years now.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 6:14:53 GMT -5
I'm still little league in the manipulation stakes compared to your best buddy Bill Gates only a conspiratorial mind looking for drama would find offense with that tweet What's great about that tweet isn't that it's offensive, it's that it illustrates his self-awareness level as zero. The guy avoided taxes when he ran Microsoft by keeping his wealth in the stock, never selling it. Then he transfers it to a "charity", so the avoidance is permanent. Here he gloats about how much money the "charity" is going to make. Truth is always so much more interesting than fiction.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 6:18:28 GMT -5
only a conspiratorial mind looking for drama would find offense with that tweet Only a 'progressive' would look for the 'offense' in that tweet to be 'offended' by It's not an offensive tweet, it's a tweet by a powerful guy that loves to create and give vaccines, that is predicting vaccines are going to be big business in the next year. Turned out, he was right!
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2021 6:41:44 GMT -5
only a conspiratorial mind looking for drama would find offense with that tweet What's great about that tweet isn't that it's offensive, it's that it illustrates his self-awareness level as zero. The guy avoided taxes when he ran Microsoft by keeping his wealth in the stock, never selling it. Then he transfers it to a "charity", so the avoidance is permanent. Here he gloats about how much money the "charity" is going to make. Truth is always so much more interesting than fiction. Yes. At Davos (last year I think), someone was invited that slipped through the net i.e he confronted them on this very issue of tax avoidance. The room went very very quiet, and we can be sure that he won't be invited back to Davos I know that republicans aren't generally big fans of tax increases (and I've gone off the idea of a big government myself in the last year), but I can appreciate the relative honesty that an above board (fat chance) system of taxation offers, in relation to the dishonesty of setting up charitable foundations that are serving as tax avoidance schemes, AND which fool people into thinking that monopolistic capitalists suddenly have a deep care for humanity and are qualified to offer advice on issues of well-being and health.
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2021 6:50:28 GMT -5
Why? You have said lots of times that you only care about what affects 'you' directly, and I guess none of those things personally affect you 'much' now, or in the future, so why do you care? Why did you want to get rid of Trump so much? Were his policies affecting you, or was his personality affecting you? How did his 'mad cap adventures' affect you? I guess none of those things need me to care about them, and I'm not exactly sure if I even do, but I imagine that a lot of our interests are just habits being perpetuated. And the Trump saga is a weird one, as a person he's kind of a dim witted bore, but as a President he impacted the entirety of the US government, and as such, demanded and received far too much attention (and none of it in a good way, as I recall). This is why I tend to send you video clips, and don't get into conversation with you...I find that the questions I'm asking you just don't get addressed. How did Trump 'get' to you emotionally? Obviously he did, in order for you to discuss him for as long as you did. It's either his policies, or his person. When he was in office, did you FEEL like you cared about the future of your grandchildren? And that his policies would affect the future of your grandchildren? Or was that just something you told yourself, when in truth, you just didn't like him, as a person/character/personality, and it's really that simple....? Or if you DID care about the future that he could offer your grandchildren, why do you seem to no longer give a rat's a/s about their future?
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2021 6:57:55 GMT -5
Thank you for moving the convo. Clearly neither Andy or I care much about staying on point.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 7:03:34 GMT -5
What's great about that tweet isn't that it's offensive, it's that it illustrates his self-awareness level as zero. The guy avoided taxes when he ran Microsoft by keeping his wealth in the stock, never selling it. Then he transfers it to a "charity", so the avoidance is permanent. Here he gloats about how much money the "charity" is going to make. Truth is always so much more interesting than fiction. So you're offended by his wealth then. I knew there'd be something. Nah. Obscene wealth is a function of a free society, and obscenity never offends this particular clown. What interests me though, is the erosion of the foundations of the civilization when over-concentrated power is misused, which is a recurring story as old as history.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 7:07:24 GMT -5
Don't play the victim ... You just made baseless statements that don'd even deserve a rebuttal. If you attempted a joke, it wasn't funny. If your post was calm, rational, skeptical, then we have different definitions for those words ... Waste of time. You wrote: The basis for the statements was an interest in and ideas and opinions on the topic of hypnotic anesthesia. Yes, and I have some knowledge of biology, and first-hand experience with both a deep razor wound (those utility blades are nasty) and emergency surgery without general anesthesia.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 7:09:08 GMT -5
What's great about that tweet isn't that it's offensive, it's that it illustrates his self-awareness level as zero. The guy avoided taxes when he ran Microsoft by keeping his wealth in the stock, never selling it. Then he transfers it to a "charity", so the avoidance is permanent. Here he gloats about how much money the "charity" is going to make. Truth is always so much more interesting than fiction. Yes. At Davos (last year I think), someone was invited that slipped through the net i.e he confronted them on this very issue of tax avoidance. The room went very very quiet, and we can be sure that he won't be invited back to Davos I know that republicans aren't generally big fans of tax increases (and I've gone off the idea of a big government myself in the last year), but I can appreciate the relative honesty that an above board (fat chance) system of taxation offers, in relation to the dishonesty of setting up charitable foundations that are serving as tax avoidance schemes, AND which fool people into thinking that monopolistic capitalists suddenly have a deep care for humanity and are qualified to offer advice on issues of well-being and health. Right, there's a potential political re-alignment happening now that the corporatist media is obscuring and actively working against, whereby "Republican" is taking on a very different meaning. One in which many of the old tenets are being questioned. I've written about this before: it was pre-signaled by a shift in the mindsets of figure's like Carlson and Limbaugh, who had always believed that wealth was self-proving of virtue.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2021 7:10:53 GMT -5
The basis for the statements was an interest in and ideas and opinions on the topic of hypnotic anesthesia. Yes, and I have some knowledge of biology, and first-hand experience with both a deep razor wound (those utility blades are nasty) and emergency surgery without general anesthesia. Did you use any sort of technique that could be characterized as self-hypnosis?
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2021 7:19:41 GMT -5
Thank you for moving the convo. Clearly neither Andy or I care much about staying on point. I've put down 'straying off topic' on my 'cannot be cured' Andrew list.
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