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Post by inavalan on Mar 29, 2021 13:41:13 GMT -5
I think that the ex-believer's "realization" was more about his self-delusion, and not blaming anybody else for that. You can have a "realization" that you are perfect, then another "realization" that you were mistaken. Victimhood is a lower way of being. You should consider a self- hypnosis site instead of this one. Perhaps you'd feel less victimized there. Don't be ridiculous.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 29, 2021 15:25:23 GMT -5
You should consider a self- hypnosis site instead of this one. Perhaps you'd feel less victimized there. Don't be ridiculous. Maybe so, but you're "rude" and "childish."
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Post by inavalan on Mar 29, 2021 15:56:49 GMT -5
Maybe so, but you're "rude" and "childish." You should've written: Or you think that your " You should consider a self- hypnosis site instead of this one. Perhaps you'd feel less victimized there." is acceptable, but me calling it "ridiculous" is not ... No wonder with such voters we are where we are. As Buddha allegedly said, foolish people aren't so because they were born that way, but because they think the way they think (and act).
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 29, 2021 18:06:19 GMT -5
Maybe so, but you're "rude" and "childish." You should've written: Or you think that your " You should consider a self- hypnosis site instead of this one. Perhaps you'd feel less victimized there." is acceptable, but me calling it "ridiculous" is not ... No wonder with such voters we are where we are. As Buddha allegedly said, foolish people aren't so because they were born that way, but because they think the way they think (and act). I was pointing out that your efforts are futile. You're on a nondual site bashing nonduality. The "victim" reference was started by you. It's like you can't stop yourself from jabbing folk.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 29, 2021 18:18:06 GMT -5
You should've written: Or you think that your " You should consider a self- hypnosis site instead of this one. Perhaps you'd feel less victimized there." is acceptable, but me calling it "ridiculous" is not ... No wonder with such voters we are where we are. As Buddha allegedly said, foolish people aren't so because they were born that way, but because they think the way they think (and act). I was pointing out that your efforts are futile. You're on a nondual site bashing nonduality. The " victim" reference was started by you. It's like you can't stop yourself from jabbing folk. You misconstrue reality: 4 sentences, 4 misinterpretations. Be polite. In this exchange I wasn't rude nor childish even once. You were, twice. I don't want to psychoanalyze you why.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 29, 2021 18:42:21 GMT -5
I was pointing out that your efforts are futile. You're on a nondual site bashing nonduality. The " victim" reference was started by you. It's like you can't stop yourself from jabbing folk. You misconstrue reality: 4 sentences, 4 misinterpretations. Be polite. In this exchange I wasn't rude nor childish even once. You were, twice. I don't want to psychoanalyze you why. I'm flabbergasted, flummoxed and fricasseed. You win. No more argument from me. I concede.
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2021 23:41:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind word 'pilgrim. .. (but, I'll still savage you mercilessly in the political debates... ... as need be ...)Actually no you will not. Most of your political opinions are standard ideological groupthink that is easily defeated. Btw- "stop the steal" huh? How's that working out for Syd and Rudes and Fox et all..? And what about her defense! “no reasonable person” would have believed her? Lol Are you reasonable? As for your opinions about my opinions: As for Syd, I read the filing. The coporatist propaganda is founded on this dicta, citing a case in her 12(b): “When ‘the bases for ... the conclusion are fully disclosed, no reasonable reader would consider the term anything but the opinion of the author drawn from the circumstances related.’” In other words: Syd stating the conclusion that the Dominion machines were crooked based on the information she had at the time wasn't defamation, because that was her conclusion based on information and belief, ie: "opinion". That doesn't mean what Bezo's puppet-writers over at the Wapo would have you believe it means. "Information and belief" is actually a legal term of art, and until when and if someone audits the Dominion machines on a large scale, that's all Syd's claims can ever be. My opinion of that argument is that it's weak given what she said, how many times she said it, and the way she delivered what she said. But, her attorney's would risk malpractice if they didn't make it. These documents follow certain forms: "move to dismiss defamation, cite the 'bases for the conclusion' case". Personally, I had suspended judgement on Syd's claims because until when and if that audit is ever done the evidence for machine tampering is currently thin on the ground - but not nonexistent, see Antrim Co. MI, Ware Co. GA and Windham NH plus several affidavits of usb handling that came out of Detrioit and Pittsburg. Until that audit, it's a relative unknown. But, the steal is already clear from the margins in 5 states in terms of mail-in ballots that have dozens of different irregularities associated with them, much less the Atlanta St. Farm arena footage clearly showing ballots counted multiple times. Just because the corporatist lie is big doesn't make it other than a lie, but the scale, frequency and scope of easily provable falsities coming from the corporatist media over the last 18 months should be a clue as to WIBIGO. Don't worry, the people interested in consolidating and presenting the evidence are just getting started.
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2021 23:55:49 GMT -5
Most Einstein quotes are fake, like this one, which has even morphed "thinking" to "consciousness". The closest match appears to be "A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels." My understanding of the "Natural State" is that it doesn't involve "solving a problem", and in terms of self-inquiry, the best that can be said, is that you are perfect. Censorship. Why are you trying to cancel fake quotes?
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Post by laughter on Mar 30, 2021 0:01:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind word 'pilgrim. .. (but, I'll still savage you mercilessly in the political debates... ... as need be ...)Actually no you will not. Most of your political opinions are standard ideological groupthink that is easily defeated. Btw- "stop the steal" huh? How's that working out for Syd and Rudes and Fox et all..? And what about her defense! “no reasonable person” would have believed her? Lol Are you reasonable? Here's the TLDR for the text wall: link or giraffe. (lol)
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Post by laughter on Mar 30, 2021 0:05:37 GMT -5
No. That's not what "nondualists" .. "think". There are plenty of interesting hierarchies. None of them are ultimately relevant to self-inquiry, and there are several that are distractions from it. That doesn't mean that everything is equal, nor that every state of consciousness is the same, but no state - of anything - can define you. I was writing from the perspective of an ultimate standpoint. If "you" are perfect, then everybody is perfect and that makes everybody equal. Yes? No? ND = All Is One. Yes? No? If all is one there is no differentiation in an ultimate sense. Yes? No? I never claimed to be perfect. Hell, I could go on for days here listing all my imperfections!
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Post by laughter on Mar 30, 2021 0:18:07 GMT -5
[1] Most Einstein quotes are fake, like this one, which has even morphed "thinking" to "consciousness". The closest match appears to be "A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels." [2] My understanding of the "Natural State" is that it doesn't involve "solving a problem", and in terms of self-inquiry, the best that can be said, is that you are perfect. 1. I googled for it before posting, and it seemed legit. It may be a paraphrase, or not. 2. I found that life learning works by giving you the opportunity to learn; if you don't learn it this time, you'll get it again, and again, ... even if you believe you have nothing to learn. Some people eventually learn during this life. Reincarnation is an interesting belief - you might want to look into questioning it. Fake quotes aren't subjective: the person either said it or they didn't. In this case, it turns out that we actually have proof of the negative, but that's besides the point. The quote is fake unless it can be substantiated.
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Post by laughter on Mar 30, 2021 0:25:31 GMT -5
Censorship. Why are you trying to cancel fake quotes? Man ... You believe you're sharp and funny ... heh heh .. and I believe he's sharp and funny as well. Clearly, not an example of an objective perception.
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Post by laughter on Mar 30, 2021 0:34:54 GMT -5
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him for he is an imposter." 😁 I think that the ex-believer's "realization" was more about his self-delusion, and not blaming anybody else for that. You can have a "realization" that you are perfect, then another "realization" that you were mistaken. Victimhood is a lower way of being. The advice about the Buddha isn't about blame, it's not about victimhood. It has two different meanings: (1) don't trust anyone claiming to be the Buddha (2) more subtly: if you think yourself a Buddha, think otherwise "Kill" is an over-dramatization, although realizing the non-existence of the false, limited self is an apt analogy with death.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 30, 2021 1:01:22 GMT -5
I think that the ex-believer's "realization" was more about his self-delusion, and not blaming anybody else for that. You can have a "realization" that you are perfect, then another "realization" that you were mistaken. Victimhood is a lower way of being. The advice about the Buddha isn't about blame, it's not about victimhood. It has two different meanings: (1) don't trust anyone claiming to be the Buddha (2) more subtly: if you think yourself a Buddha, think otherwise "Kill" is an over-dramatization, although realizing the non-existence of the false, limited self is an apt analogy with death. My victimhood mentioning was related to the ex-believer's not blaming anybody else for his self-delusion. So, it wasn't about Buddha, nor a judgement about which of the ex-believer's realizations was valid.
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Post by laughter on Mar 30, 2021 1:09:11 GMT -5
The advice about the Buddha isn't about blame, it's not about victimhood. It has two different meanings: (1) don't trust anyone claiming to be the Buddha (2) more subtly: if you think yourself a Buddha, think otherwise "Kill" is an over-dramatization, although realizing the non-existence of the false, limited self is an apt analogy with death. My victimhood mentioning was related to the ex-believer's not blaming anybody else for his self-delusion. So, it wasn't about Buddha, nor a judgement about which of the ex-believer's realizations was valid. How did the notion of victimhood and blame enter the dialog? My point was that zazeniac's quote didn't imply that notion. Why did you introduce that notion in reply to zazeniac's quote if zazeniac's quote didn't imply it to you?
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