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Post by inavalan on Feb 22, 2021 18:12:46 GMT -5
I believe you're wrong (on that).
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Post by inavalan on Mar 5, 2021 14:18:59 GMT -5
Wow. I'm skeptical that your quick internet search has led to a better translation of Ancient Greek than all the modern Bible translations. But I would be curious to hear from someone who knows Ancient Greek well. I've studied a language where even if something is labeled "genitive" it may not translate as "my/mine". If the mistake I was guessing about occurred, I imagined it occurred in the earliest years, when the story was transmitted orally or maybe in the Aramaic to Greek translation. If it occurs right before our eyes, in the Greek to English translation, that would really be something. That phrase is used to justify a lot of the more messed up aspects of Christianity. My guess is that you're onto something with your intuition about the quote, and relating it to Niz. There is another Jesus quote where that seems to suggest that as well. Perhaps it was just a mistranslation - it's certainly self-serving for Christian instututions. But, perhaps there's something more going on, as well, and it's not exclusive of these other influences and intentions. If we look at the quote in context, then what is it that Thomas is asking that led to the response? I find the start of the chapter relevent to that question. Honest nonduality speakers will say that there are no gaurantees in seeking the existential truth. What is it that satsang attendee's are looking for, and what is it that the speaker can offer? What is it that someone who goes to a church or a zendo is after, and what is it that the priests can offer? It's like you read my next to last post, and wanted to prove it ...
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Post by laughter on Mar 5, 2021 14:28:24 GMT -5
My guess is that you're onto something with your intuition about the quote, and relating it to Niz. There is another Jesus quote where that seems to suggest that as well. Perhaps it was just a mistranslation - it's certainly self-serving for Christian instututions. But, perhaps there's something more going on, as well, and it's not exclusive of these other influences and intentions. If we look at the quote in context, then what is it that Thomas is asking that led to the response? I find the start of the chapter relevent to that question. Honest nonduality speakers will say that there are no gaurantees in seeking the existential truth. What is it that satsang attendee's are looking for, and what is it that the speaker can offer? What is it that someone who goes to a church or a zendo is after, and what is it that the priests can offer? It's like you read my next to last post, and wanted to prove it ... What is it that you imagine I believe about the quote in question, and what is the basis for your conclusion?
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Post by inavalan on Mar 5, 2021 15:39:54 GMT -5
It's like you read my next to last post, and wanted to prove it ... What is it that you imagine I believe about the quote in question, and what is the basis for your conclusion? You're rude, again. It isn't only a comprehension problem. You aren't the man I initially thought you were. It happens.
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Post by laughter on Mar 5, 2021 16:38:12 GMT -5
What is it that you imagine I believe about the quote in question, and what is the basis for your conclusion? You're rude, again. It isn't only a comprehension problem. You aren't the man I initially thought you were. It happens. Oh, did I misunderstand what I took to be your implication that I'm ( in your words): "unwilling or unable to change what I already believe because I'm afraid to put aside all gurus' and dogmas' teachings"? Don't get me wrong: as I disagree with this conclusion, my interest in it is limited to what I perceive as the dynamics of your distorted perception. To wit: I find how you can't see the rudeness here as your psychological projection to be as stark an example of a blind spot as can ever be demonstrated. The only serious point in what I'm writing is that my invitation to you to illuminate me about what you imagine to be my misunderstanding is, quite sincere.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 5, 2021 19:01:27 GMT -5
You're rude, again. It isn't only a comprehension problem. You aren't the man I initially thought you were. It happens. Oh, did I misunderstand what I took to be your implication that I'm ( in your words): "unwilling or unable to change what I already believe because I'm afraid to put aside all gurus' and dogmas' teachings"? Don't get me wrong: as I disagree with this conclusion, my interest in it is limited to what I perceive as the dynamics of your distorted perception. To wit: I find how you can't see the rudeness here as your psychological projection to be as stark an example of a blind spot as can ever be demonstrated. The only serious point in what I'm writing is that my invitation to you to illuminate me about what you imagine to be my misunderstanding is, quite sincere. You're rude, again. It isn't only a comprehension problem. For me you're a Zeland pendulum.
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Post by laughter on Mar 5, 2021 20:05:40 GMT -5
Oh, did I misunderstand what I took to be your implication that I'm ( in your words): "unwilling or unable to change what I already believe because I'm afraid to put aside all gurus' and dogmas' teachings"? Don't get me wrong: as I disagree with this conclusion, my interest in it is limited to what I perceive as the dynamics of your distorted perception. To wit: I find how you can't see the rudeness here as your psychological projection to be as stark an example of a blind spot as can ever be demonstrated. The only serious point in what I'm writing is that my invitation to you to illuminate me about what you imagine to be my misunderstanding is, quite sincere. You're rude, again. It isn't only a comprehension problem. For me you're a Zeland pendulum. The "problem", is an object contrived of your imagination. Do you enjoy creating rudeness in your reality? You only need not project it.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 18, 2021 16:17:22 GMT -5
Doesn't work for me. The hands are way too big.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 20, 2021 17:48:40 GMT -5
Baizuo
I just learned a new Chinese word: Baizuo 白左, (/ˈbaɪˌdzwɔː/, /baɪˈzwoʊ/; white left) Chinese neologism and political epithet used to refer to Western leftist ideologies primarily espoused by white leftists (per google, wikipedia).
The urban dictionary is more explicit: Baizuo (pronounced "bye-tswaw) is a Chinese epithet meaning naive western educated person who advocates for peace and equality only to satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority. A baizuo only cares about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment while being obsessed with political correctness to the extent that they import backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism.
The Chinese see the baizuo as ignorant and arrogant westerners who pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours.
Browsing international news commentaries you learn about surprising different perspectives on the reality we're informed of in the US. Surely, who tells the truth? How do you know?
Baizuo "advocate inclusiveness and anti-discrimination but cannot tolerate different opinions."
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 21, 2021 15:55:13 GMT -5
That wouldn't happen in a million years.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 29, 2021 9:01:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind word 'pilgrim. .. (but, I'll still savage you mercilessly in the political debates... ... as need be ...)Actually no you will not. Most of your political opinions are standard ideological groupthink that is easily defeated. Btw- "stop the steal" huh? How's that working out Syd and Rudes and Fox et all..? And what about her defense! “no reasonable person” would have believed her? Lol Are you reasonable? Dude, that picture you posted in the photo thread is Laughy's back yard. You can't see the pill boxes and tank traps. He's ready for us antifa types.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 29, 2021 12:24:35 GMT -5
No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.
Albert Einstein [1] Most Einstein quotes are fake, like this one, which has even morphed "thinking" to "consciousness". The closest match appears to be "A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels." [2] My understanding of the "Natural State" is that it doesn't involve "solving a problem", and in terms of self-inquiry, the best that can be said, is that you are perfect. 1. I googled for it before posting, and it seemed legit. It may be a paraphrase, or not. 2. I found that life learning works by giving you the opportunity to learn; if you don't learn it this time, you'll get it again, and again, ... even if you believe you have nothing to learn. Some people eventually learn during this life.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 29, 2021 12:39:38 GMT -5
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him for he is an imposter." 😁 I think that the ex-believer's "realization" was more about his self-delusion, and not blaming anybody else for that. You can have a "realization" that you are perfect, then another "realization" that you were mistaken. Victimhood is a lower way of being.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 29, 2021 12:41:14 GMT -5
Most Einstein quotes are fake, like this one, which has even morphed "thinking" to "consciousness". The closest match appears to be "A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels." My understanding of the "Natural State" is that it doesn't involve "solving a problem", and in terms of self-inquiry, the best that can be said, is that you are perfect. Censorship. Why are you trying to cancel fake quotes? Man ... You believe you're sharp and funny ...
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 29, 2021 13:26:31 GMT -5
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him for he is an imposter." 😁 I think that the ex-believer's "realization" was more about his self-delusion, and not blaming anybody else for that. You can have a "realization" that you are perfect, then another "realization" that you were mistaken. Victimhood is a lower way of being. You should consider a self- hypnosis site instead of this one. Perhaps you'd feel less victimized there.
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