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Post by tenka on May 6, 2024 13:25:16 GMT -5
From memory the conversation regarding the spirit / soul was in direct response to the identification that the person has to reflect a SVP and is therefore in someway illusory. There is no other identification had where the person can reflect an individual. So in my eyes a person is a person based upon the embodiment of the spirit / soul. Which is on similar lines to Niz or Ramana saying consciousness becomes awareness in the presence of an object. Z.D. by his own admission doesn't have these words integrated within his understanding of the person. So when we talk about S.R. and what that brings to the table it can only encompass what meanings we associate to such words. This is why at times what can be declared as being realised can be seen by some to be the complete opposite of that. If you have an understanding that the person means that it must refer to an illusory separate person then one's realisation will reflect that to some degree. So what's that say about realisation compared to what one believes to be the case via an association had with words. I remember Z.D. commenting on another's notion of a soul, but not in a way where his initial thoughts on what a person constitutes without a spirit or soul embodiment would reflect upon his initial thoughts on the person.The pilgrim might confirm or not, butt I believe that because this wasn't addressed, it was like the question wasn't answered. This is why I have always maintained that the SVP is not necessary, for an individual can be in awareness of what they are that is not that while experiencing life, experiencing self or whatever word suits. Can you reword all that in English please? I can reword it for sure, the first time round however was in English. You are perhaps unaware of previous conversations had. It's words that Z.D doesn't use. What you bolded I remember Z.D. commenting on another's notion of a soul, but not in a way where his initial thoughts on what a person constitutes without a spirit or soul embodiment would reflect upon his initial thoughts on the person.
Well like said, ZD spoke about the person in one way only which didn't encompass an embodiment of the spirt / soul.
So even though he could relate to what the other poster had said, there was no answer to my question pertaining to the person with that understanding in toe. So there wasn't that understanding of the spirit / soul that reflected upon his initial thoughts on the person.
The idea of what constitutes a person is quite important when we start to relate SR with or too what that is.
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Post by tenka on May 6, 2024 13:31:10 GMT -5
@zd
This isn't me having a pop at what you have said previously, I am just explaining that a person can be seen differently if one doesn't encompass what I have said. Some as you know say the peep is just an appearance without nothing much in-between. It's important to know what a person is or reflects before one starts saying SR points to the person as being illusory or whatever word suits.
If peeps don't understand the individual person in entirety then one cannot have a true measure of one.
I think the embodiment of the spirt / soul is an important aspect of the individual that a lot of non dualist don't speak of.
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Post by sharon on May 6, 2024 15:22:23 GMT -5
@zd This isn't me having a pop at what you have said previously, I am just explaining that a person can be seen differently if one doesn't encompass what I have said. Some as you know say the peep is just an appearance without nothing much in-between. It's important to know what a person is or reflects before one starts saying SR points to the person as being illusory or whatever word suits. If peeps don't understand the individual person in entirety then one cannot have a true measure of one. I think the embodiment of the spirt / soul is an important aspect of the individual that a lot of non dualist don't speak of. When you say entirety, what do you mean? Are you thinking of all the characteristics experienced throughout lifetimes or do you mean the individual's unique perspective inside the present Totality? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 7, 2024 6:50:50 GMT -5
How often do you let other people tell you what to say? Like daily.. Was wondering the same thing. The thread reminded of the SouthPark episode where Randy had to kneel and kiss a man's butt, to "apologize". The dominator kept whispering "apologiiiize... apologiiiize..." The whole episode was really funny.  I have only ever watched one full episode of SouthPark, it wasn't this one, but it was about the funniest thing I've ever seen on TV. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 7, 2024 7:26:54 GMT -5
@zd This isn't me having a pop at what you have said previously, I am just explaining that a person can be seen differently if one doesn't encompass what I have said. Some as you know say the peep is just an appearance without nothing much in-between. It's important to know what a person is or reflects before one starts saying SR points to the person as being illusory or whatever word suits. If peeps don't understand the individual person in entirety then one cannot have a true measure of one. I think the embodiment of the spirt / soul is an important aspect of the individual that a lot of non dualist don't speak of. When you say entirety, what do you mean? Are you thinking of all the characteristics experienced throughout lifetimes or do you mean the individual's unique perspective inside the present Totality? I'll go back and reply to a couple of other posts, but I'll start here. tenka has explained the meaning of entirety. I've given my view numerous times, I'll do it again, in tenka's words. I'll try to be brief, but you know how that goes. Any person, fully constituted consists of Spirit, {[("soul")]}, physical body and *SVP*/persona/false sense of self/small s self/cultural self/self-avatar, at some point, unless there is a reason one cannot form a self. Spirit is what is recognized in nondual-recognition, it is the link to the Ocean (this is somewhat complicated, I'll leave it there). The so-called SVP (separate volitional person, I see we have some new people) consists of cultural conditioning of the time and place of one's early years, mostly from birth to about age six. A newborn baby mostly functions through their body and their Spirit. He or she collects data from experience with the world. That data is stored as memory in the neural structure, connections between neurons. All memories are copies of what-has-been-experienced. So the so-called SVP consists only-of copies, and copies of copies, and copies of copies of copies. About age six the small child ceases to function through Spirit-physical body, and begins to function through the massed-conditioning, there is a flip-flop, a shift in the sense of identity, in the Bible this is called the fall of man, it happens again with everybody. In nondual-recognition the so-called SVP is seen to be illusory, because it is, "we are not what we think we are". Now, the SR say that's the end of the story, period, anything else is just dotting i-s and crossing t-s, relatively meaningless. Now, what tenka is saying is that is not the end of the journey, because we also exist as a soul, again, entirety means Spirit-soul-body (and the illusory self). tenka functions as a soul. Most people function as this illusory self, the data-as-copies. inavalan says that nonduality subverts the whole process, puts a stick in the wheels of ("personal") evolution. nonduality does not recognize a self, period. The soul is kind of an empty category, until it is actualized. We have a soul, but only in potential and as potential. So, basically, the nondual view throws the baby out with the bathwater. That's basically what tenka is saying, in a nutshell. That's my view, could be slightly different from tenka's, or worded differently. Later, I'll come back to this in a reply to a post of Reefs from 3 months ago. No, tenka is not always clear, but he is understandable. If I have incorrectly misrepresented tenka's POV, he can correct me. But, basically, the soul exists and is experienced, when it exists and is experienced. Until then, we have no clue it actually exists (except conceptually, in theory). Additionally, the soul (or Oversoul) becomes a kind of depository for knowledge and experience collected from incarnation to incarnation (this is alayajinana in Yogacara Buddhism), but most people are not aware of their soul, as such. So in any one incarnation, a link has to be forged between the ~person~ and the soul. In my tradition that link is called essence, it's individualized, it's a kind of seed. The nondualists here maintain it too is illusory, is merely conceptual. But the whole-purpose in life is to connect the ~person~ and the soul, make them one and the same. |
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Post by sharon on May 7, 2024 13:31:49 GMT -5
When you say entirety, what do you mean? Are you thinking of all the characteristics experienced throughout lifetimes or do you mean the individual's unique perspective inside the present Totality? I'll go back and reply to a couple of other posts, but I'll start here. tenka has explained the meaning of entirety. I've given my view numerous times, I'll do it again, in tenka's words. I'll try to be brief, but you know how that goes. Any person, fully constituted consists of Spirit, {[("soul")]}, physical body and *SVP*/persona/false sense of self/small s self/cultural self/self-avatar, at some point, unless there is a reason one cannot form a self. Spirit is what is recognized in nondual-recognition, it is the link to the Ocean ( this is somewhat complicated, I'll leave it there). The so-called SVP (separate volitional person, I see we have some new people) consists of cultural conditioning of the time and place of one's early years, mostly from birth to about age six. A newborn baby mostly functions through their body and their Spirit. He or she collects data from experience with the world. That data is stored as memory in the neural structure, connections between neurons. All memories are copies of what-has-been-experienced. So the so-called SVP consists only-of copies, and copies of copies, and copies of copies of copies. About age six the small child ceases to function through Spirit-physical body, and begins to function through the massed-conditioning, there is a flip-flop, a shift in the sense of identity, in the Bible this is called the fall of man, it happens again with everybody. In nondual-recognition the so-called SVP is seen to be illusory, because it is, "we are not what we think we are". Now, the SR say that's the end of the story, period, anything else is just dotting i-s and crossing t-s, relatively meaningless. Now, what tenka is saying is that is not the end of the journey, because we also exist as a soul, again, entirety means Spirit-soul-body (and the illusory self). tenka functions as a soul. Most people function as this illusory self, the data-as-copies. inavalan says that nonduality subverts the whole process, puts a stick in the wheels of ("personal") evolution. nonduality does not recognize a self, period. The soul is kind of an empty category, until it is actualized. We have a soul, but only in potential and as potential. So, basically, the nondual view throws the baby out with the bathwater. That's basically what tenka is saying, in a nutshell. That's my view, could be slightly different from tenka's, or worded differently. Later, I'll come back to this in a reply to a post of Reefs from 3 months ago. No, tenka is not always clear, but he is understandable. If I have incorrectly misrepresented tenka's POV, he can correct me. But, basically, the soul exists and is experienced, when it exists and is experienced. Until then, we have no clue it actually exists (except conceptually, in theory). Additionally, the soul (or Oversoul) becomes a kind of depository for knowledge and experience collected from incarnation to incarnation (this is alayajinana in Yogacara Buddhism), but most people are not aware of their soul, as such. So in any one incarnation, a link has to be forged between the ~person~ and the soul. In my tradition that link is called essence, it's individualized, it's a kind of seed. The nondualists here maintain it too is illusory, is merely conceptual. But the whole-purpose in life is to connect the ~person~ and the soul, make them one and the same. I'd be interested to read what you understand. |
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Post by justlikeyou on May 7, 2024 13:39:04 GMT -5
A simple “I was mistaken” would do it. Is that too hard for you? How often do you let other people tell you what to say? Like daily.. Probably as often as you suggest what they shouldn't say. |
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Post by sharon on May 7, 2024 15:17:35 GMT -5
How often do you let other people tell you what to say? Like daily.. Probably as often as you suggest what they shouldn't say. Interesting. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 8, 2024 7:33:46 GMT -5
I'll go back and reply to a couple of other posts, but I'll start here. tenka has explained the meaning of entirety. I've given my view numerous times, I'll do it again, in tenka's words. I'll try to be brief, but you know how that goes. Any person, fully constituted consists of Spirit, {[("soul")]}, physical body and *SVP*/persona/false sense of self/small s self/cultural self/self-avatar, at some point, unless there is a reason one cannot form a self. Spirit is what is recognized in nondual-recognition, it is the link to the Ocean ( this is somewhat complicated, I'll leave it there). The so-called SVP (separate volitional person, I see we have some new people) consists of cultural conditioning of the time and place of one's early years, mostly from birth to about age six. A newborn baby mostly functions through their body and their Spirit. He or she collects data from experience with the world. That data is stored as memory in the neural structure, connections between neurons. All memories are copies of what-has-been-experienced. So the so-called SVP consists only-of copies, and copies of copies, and copies of copies of copies. About age six the small child ceases to function through Spirit-physical body, and begins to function through the massed-conditioning, there is a flip-flop, a shift in the sense of identity, in the Bible this is called the fall of man, it happens again with everybody. In nondual-recognition the so-called SVP is seen to be illusory, because it is, "we are not what we think we are". Now, the SR say that's the end of the story, period, anything else is just dotting i-s and crossing t-s, relatively meaningless. Now, what tenka is saying is that is not the end of the journey, because we also exist as a soul, again, entirety means Spirit-soul-body (and the illusory self). tenka functions as a soul. Most people function as this illusory self, the data-as-copies. inavalan says that nonduality subverts the whole process, puts a stick in the wheels of ("personal") evolution. nonduality does not recognize a self, period. The soul is kind of an empty category, until it is actualized. We have a soul, but only in potential and as potential. So, basically, the nondual view throws the baby out with the bathwater. That's basically what tenka is saying, in a nutshell. That's my view, could be slightly different from tenka's, or worded differently. Later, I'll come back to this in a reply to a post of Reefs from 3 months ago. No, tenka is not always clear, but he is understandable. If I have incorrectly misrepresented tenka's POV, he can correct me. But, basically, the soul exists and is experienced, when it exists and is experienced. Until then, we have no clue it actually exists (except conceptually, in theory). Additionally, the soul (or Oversoul) becomes a kind of depository for knowledge and experience collected from incarnation to incarnation (this is alayajinana in Yogacara Buddhism), but most people are not aware of their soul, as such. So in any one incarnation, a link has to be forged between the ~person~ and the soul. In my tradition that link is called essence, it's individualized, it's a kind of seed. The nondualists here maintain it too is illusory, is merely conceptual. But the whole-purpose in life is to connect the ~person~ and the soul, make them one and the same. I'd be interested to read what you understand. Sure. I read the entire Bible in 1985 with a couple of questions in mind. In the Bible there is no distinguishing in the word Spirit. Sometimes it capitalized, sometimes not. When capitalized it's supposed to mean the Spirit of God (God). When small s spirit it's supposed to mean the spirit of man. Translators have made this distinction, the Biblical writers didn't. So finding that out helped things make much more sense. When the word Spirit/spirit is used, is just means God-the-Father, or force #1 (explained below). Now, in Judaism there is a distinction between different *aspects* of God. In one place in the Bible it says God lives in unapproachable light. That's basically God as En Sof. But then there are times when there is a manifest presence of God. That is called the Shekhinah, it's the feminine use of God. God has no gender, is male/female, but the actual manifest presence of God is female/Shekhinah. In the NT in places man is described as spirit, soul and body, there is a distinction between spirit and soul. In Ecclesiastes last chapter, it says when the silver cord is broken (upon death) the Spirit goes to God who gave it, and the body returns to dust where it came from. But it doesn't say anything about the *soul*. There is a universal principle of triads, it is part of the basis of the structure of the universe. In the beginning, there is God unmanifest (En Sof in Hebrew). Then the kabbalistic Tree of Life begins, you have the left column (#2), the right column (#1) and the central column (#3), God becomes God the Father (#1), God the Mother(#2) (or the Son), and God the Holy Spirit (#3). This is the 3 Gunas in Hinduism, the Bhagavad Gita, Tamas (#2), Rajas (#1), and sattva (#3), exactly the same (forces) The primary principle of triads is the higher blends with the lower to actualize the middle (and this new middle is either a higher or a lower depending upon if it's an ascending octave or a descending octave, [#1 blends with #2 to actualize a #3, and that new #3 then becomes either a #1 or a #2 depending upon whether the movement is out-away from En Sof or back-to En Sof, rinse and repeat). Creation, the formation of the manifest world is a descending octave. So all of creation is a series of triads, triads of triads. All this was also known by the creators of the I Ching. It's based on unbroken lines (#1) and broken lines (#2). These form into tri trigrams, and the form into the 8 hexagrams, and these form into the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching. #3 is the unmoving central point, the point of pivot. It is the Holy Spirit. Now we come back to man as Spirit, soul, physical body, man is a triad. But man is a process, man is unfinished. Man (man and woman) is Spirit (#1) planted in a body (#2), there is no actualized middle (#3). The whole purpose of a man-experiment is the actualize the middle. This gets us to your answer. nondual-recognition is the recognition of yes, the #1 *aspect* of ~God~ (the Father). I have zero problem with that, except... However, that does not help with the process of actualizing the middle, Gurdjieff called it making a soul. So in fact, if any-one non-soul focuses on the nondual recognition, and says that's the end of the journey, that's basically an abortion of the soul, the soul that doesn't yet exist, as completed, that puts a stick in the whole process of actualizing a middle. Creation is a descending octave, it's gets a man or woman to the point of return, to join an ascending octave back to the Origin. nonduality is correct, what we call self is not a self, we are not what we think we are. What we think we are (SVP), is just psychological conditioning, it's a false sense of self, yes, it is illusory. But our essence comes from this higher order of reality. The so-called SVP is a dead end going nowhere, it came from earth, it returns to earth upon death, this is described as the Bardo in Tibetan Buddhism. Our essence is the means to make the return journey, but essence is only an unactualized middle. To actually make the return journey, essence has to grow and develop, this is the meaning of the evolution of consciousness. So, the nondual recognition is really a taste, a goal, an aim, a beginning, ~"bait"~. It's not the end of the journey in any sense. ...and yes, it is yet more complicated. What nonduality considers the end of the journey, is actually just the beginning. One more thing jut to put a bow on it. Man, nothing, has the capacity to cross-back-over from ~God as #1, #2, #3~ to En Sof. That's why I've said I am not a nondualist without qualification. And that unbridgeable gap, the qualification, is what makes me a panentheist (not a pantheist). Oh, one more thing. My avatar is a torus, AKA as vortex. This is the basic principle of the movement of energy in the universe. It shows involution and evolution. (Finding a good moving image is difficult), but energy comes out the top, moves down the ~outside~ and returns back up to the center, repeat. Looking from the top the energy moves from in-to-out. Looking from the bottom the energy moves from out-to-in. I first saw this pattern of the movement of energy when I was ten, fishing. I could see it (sometimes the top of a torus, sometimes the bottom) on still water, or a cloudless sky. It took me over 60 years to [more] fully understand it. Each triad is basically a torus. Oh, and, one still form of this is the yantra, but a yantra is more abstract. But once I saw a yantra, I knew that was what I had been seeing, in still form. When you see a yantra, picture it as moving as described above. A yantra is a torus as seen from the bottom (or top). |
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Post by sharon on May 8, 2024 17:22:59 GMT -5
I'd be interested to read what you understand. Sure. I read the entire Bible in 1985 with a couple of questions in mind. In the Bible there is no distinguishing in the word Spirit. Sometimes it capitalized, sometimes not. When capitalized it's supposed to mean the Spirit of God (God). When small s spirit it's supposed to mean the spirit of man. Translators have made this distinction, the Biblical writers didn't. So finding that out helped things make much more sense. When the word Spirit/spirit is used, is just means God-the-Father, or force #1 (explained below). Now, in Judaism there is a distinction between different *aspects* of God. In one place in the Bible it says God lives in unapproachable light. That's basically God as En Sof. But then there are times when there is a manifest presence of God. That is called the Shekhinah, it's the feminine use of God. God has no gender, is male/female, but the actual manifest presence of God is female/Shekhinah. In the NT in places man is described as spirit, soul and body, there is a distinction between spirit and soul. In Ecclesiastes last chapter, it says when the silver cord is broken (upon death) the Spirit goes to God who gave it, and the body returns to dust where it came from. But it doesn't say anything about the *soul*. There is a universal principle of triads, it is part of the basis of the structure of the universe. In the beginning, there is God unmanifest (En Sof in Hebrew). Then the kabbalistic Tree of Life begins, you have the left column (#2), the right column (#1) and the central column (#3), God becomes God the Father (#1), God the Mother(#2) (or the Son), and God the Holy Spirit (#3). This is the 3 Gunas in Hinduism, the Bhagavad Gita, Tamas (#2), Rajas (#1), and sattva (#3), exactly the same (forces) The primary principle of triads is the higher blends with the lower to actualize the middle (and this new middle is either a higher or a lower depending upon if it's an ascending octave or a descending octave, [#1 blends with #2 to actualize a #3, and that new #3 then becomes either a #1 or a #2 depending upon whether the movement is out-away from En Sof or back-to En Sof, rinse and repeat). Creation, the formation of the manifest world is a descending octave. So all of creation is a series of triads, triads of triads. All this was also known by the creators of the I Ching. It's based on unbroken lines (#1) and broken lines (#2). These form into tri trigrams, and the form into the 8 hexagrams, and these form into the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching. #3 is the unmoving central point, the point of pivot. It is the Holy Spirit. Now we come back to man as Spirit, soul, physical body, man is a triad. But man is a process, man is unfinished. Man (man and woman) is Spirit (#1) planted in a body (#2), there is no actualized middle (#3). The whole purpose of a man-experiment is the actualize the middle. This gets us to your answer. nondual-recognition is the recognition of yes, the #1 *aspect* of ~God~ (the Father). I have zero problem with that, except... However, that does not help with the process of actualizing the middle, Gurdjieff called it making a soul. So in fact, if any-one non-soul focuses on the nondual recognition, and says that's the end of the journey, that's basically an abortion of the soul, the soul that doesn't yet exist, as completed, that puts a stick in the whole process of actualizing a middle. Creation is a descending octave, it's gets a man or woman to the point of return, to join an ascending octave back to the Origin. nonduality is correct, what we call self is not a self, we are not what we think we are. What we think we are (SVP), is just psychological conditioning, it's a false sense of self, yes, it is illusory. But our essence comes from this higher order of reality. The so-called SVP is a dead end going nowhere, it came from earth, it returns to earth upon death, this is described as the Bardo in Tibetan Buddhism. Our essence is the means to make the return journey, but essence is only an unactualized middle. To actually make the return journey, essence has to grow and develop, this is the meaning of the evolution of consciousness. So, the nondual recognition is really a taste, a goal, an aim, a beginning, ~"bait"~. It's not the end of the journey in any sense. ...and yes, it is yet more complicated. What nonduality considers the end of the journey, is actually just the beginning. One more thing jut to put a bow on it. Man, nothing, has the capacity to cross-back-over from ~God as #1, #2, #3~ to En Sof. That's why I've said I am not a nondualist without qualification. And that unbridgeable gap, the qualification, is what makes me a panentheist (not a pantheist). Oh, one more thing. My avatar is a torus, AKA as vortex. This is the basic principle of the movement of energy in the universe. It shows involution and evolution. (Finding a good moving image is difficult), but energy comes out the top, moves down the ~outside~ and returns back up to the center, repeat. Looking from the top the energy moves from in-to-out. Looking from the bottom the energy moves from out-to-in. I first saw this pattern of the movement of energy when I was ten, fishing. I could see it (sometimes the top of a torus, sometimes the bottom) on still water, or a cloudless sky. It took me over 60 years to [more] fully understand it. Each triad is basically a torus. Oh, and, one still form of this is the yantra, but a yantra is more abstract. But once I saw a yantra, I knew that was what I had been seeing, in still form. When you see a yantra, picture it as moving as described above. A yantra is a torus as seen from the bottom (or top). In one moment, the Sky opened and a voice said "I made you from my own Brilliance." |
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Post by tenka on May 10, 2024 14:20:02 GMT -5
When you say entirety, what do you mean? Are you thinking of all the characteristics experienced throughout lifetimes or do you mean the individual's unique perspective inside the present Totality? I'll go back and reply to a couple of other posts, but I'll start here. tenka has explained the meaning of entirety. I've given my view numerous times, I'll do it again, in tenka's words. I'll try to be brief, but you know how that goes. Any person, fully constituted consists of Spirit, {[("soul")]}, physical body and *SVP*/persona/false sense of self/small s self/cultural self/self-avatar, at some point, unless there is a reason one cannot form a self. Spirit is what is recognized in nondual-recognition, it is the link to the Ocean (this is somewhat complicated, I'll leave it there). The so-called SVP (separate volitional person, I see we have some new people) consists of cultural conditioning of the time and place of one's early years, mostly from birth to about age six. A newborn baby mostly functions through their body and their Spirit. He or she collects data from experience with the world. That data is stored as memory in the neural structure, connections between neurons. All memories are copies of what-has-been-experienced. So the so-called SVP consists only-of copies, and copies of copies, and copies of copies of copies. About age six the small child ceases to function through Spirit-physical body, and begins to function through the massed-conditioning, there is a flip-flop, a shift in the sense of identity, in the Bible this is called the fall of man, it happens again with everybody. In nondual-recognition the so-called SVP is seen to be illusory, because it is, "we are not what we think we are". Now, the SR say that's the end of the story, period, anything else is just dotting i-s and crossing t-s, relatively meaningless. Now, what tenka is saying is that is not the end of the journey, because we also exist as a soul, again, entirety means Spirit-soul-body (and the illusory self). tenka functions as a soul. Most people function as this illusory self, the data-as-copies. inavalan says that nonduality subverts the whole process, puts a stick in the wheels of ("personal") evolution. nonduality does not recognize a self, period. The soul is kind of an empty category, until it is actualized. We have a soul, but only in potential and as potential. So, basically, the nondual view throws the baby out with the bathwater. That's basically what tenka is saying, in a nutshell. That's my view, could be slightly different from tenka's, or worded differently. Later, I'll come back to this in a reply to a post of Reefs from 3 months ago. No, tenka is not always clear, but he is understandable. If I have incorrectly misrepresented tenka's POV, he can correct me. But, basically, the soul exists and is experienced, when it exists and is experienced. Until then, we have no clue it actually exists (except conceptually, in theory). Additionally, the soul (or Oversoul) becomes a kind of depository for knowledge and experience collected from incarnation to incarnation (this is alayajinana in Yogacara Buddhism), but most people are not aware of their soul, as such. So in any one incarnation, a link has to be forged between the ~person~ and the soul. In my tradition that link is called essence, it's individualized, it's a kind of seed. The nondualists here maintain it too is illusory, is merely conceptual. But the whole-purpose in life is to connect the ~person~ and the soul, make them one and the same. Well as I have always maintained, the person is a package deal, it's not just an appearance out of a hat or something that arises in a way where no one knows the fcuk how that happens. There is a mind-body-soul-spirit combo for sure. If non dualists wanna leave some of it out then your only going to get something that reflects that. |
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Post by zazeniac on May 14, 2024 13:56:14 GMT -5
Dude, you just can't stop yourself. I've had enough of tour bullshit. I didn't know you were on a bullshit tour. But it makes sense now. You've only bullshitting yourself, I don't think anyone here truly bought your posh soto zennist schtick. Alternatively, you could read what Lolly wrote about non-reactivity. Maybe that helps. Good stuff. And if that doesn't help either, then just continue like this and destroy the rest of that little credibility that you still have left... and then be free! People tend to underestimate the potency of the left hand path. We're all frauds if you think about it. I'm just amazed how you can critique another's reactivity with a straight face. It's comical. Remember your quote about quarrels. I don't think you can pull it off. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 15, 2024 19:47:09 GMT -5
I didn't know you were on a bullshit tour. But it makes sense now. You've only bullshitting yourself, I don't think anyone here truly bought your posh soto zennist schtick. Alternatively, you could read what Lolly wrote about non-reactivity. Maybe that helps. Good stuff. And if that doesn't help either, then just continue like this and destroy the rest of that little credibility that you still have left... and then be free! People tend to underestimate the potency of the left hand path. We're all frauds if you think about it. I'm just amazed how you can critique another's reactivity with a straight face. It's comical. Remember your quote about quarrels. I don't think you can pull it off.  ( ) |
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Post by Reefs on May 25, 2024 9:54:04 GMT -5
@ Tenka / SDP / Maniac
I found something interesting...
"The Neo-Advaita Recovery Zone"
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Post by tenka on May 25, 2024 13:47:15 GMT -5
@ Tenka / SDP / Maniac
I found something interesting...
"The Neo-Advaita Recovery Zone"
I have said it before, some strains of non duality is likened to a cult status where it can be brainwashing, enough so to make some peeps out right liars or delusional. Dangerous as the website points out. I would agree if it turns a peep to believe a reality not lived. I know that many whom are heavily invested in any type of mind set find it difficult to let go of when questioned and put to the test. I have had a few chats with a few other's lately about non duality and it seems the same patterns are present wherever you go. It's really is weird tbh. |
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