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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 2:57:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a troll. Collective labels and ideas like "women are __", "men are __" are actually the dead things, ironically. See people uniquely, alive, in the moment. People are alive? You wish. Perhaps, you live in a different world. Mine is the world of the living dead, robots who are uniquely alive in the moment. He said ' See' them that way. As in perceive them as though they are uniquely, alive, in the moment that you meet them. Give them your life force and and your presence and attention. What have you really got to lose in trying it for a month? |
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Post by sree on May 22, 2022 13:18:51 GMT -5
Yeah sometimes when a student gets deep into the teachings of a deceased guru, they become open enough to receive the presence of the teacher and therefore gain more understanding of what they were saying when they were alive. I would imagine that it benefits both. If I remember right there are a handful of books from Gurdjieff post death. How genuine they are I don't know. I never regarded Krishnamurti as a guru or spiritual teacher. I viewed him as a person of renown with expertise on a matter of interest to me. The mysterious nature of reality has fascinated me forever. The fact that we have developed so much practical technology based on knowledge of our world the fundamental nature of which we cannot ascertain is ridiculous. We have not even figured out how the mind is tied to the body (i.e. the hard problem of consciousness).
Benefits both? Do you mean two people: Krishnamurti and me? My perception of reality was fundamentally changed by that circular rainbow experience. There is much to reconsider; and, so far, I have figured out only this much: I am consciousness itself and not a person in possession of a consciousness. I am a state of perception of a world of which I encompass and am at the center. You, similarly, are a state of perception of a world of which you encompass and are at the center. Krishnamurti was a state of perception of a world of which he encompassed and was at the center as well. Each of us is an undefinable phenomenon until it becomes whatever we see ourselves as through cognition as conditioned by sense-data remembered as knowledge. Each of us has a "private" memory bank that makes us a collective of "unique individual state of consciousness". This "private" memory bank vanishes when the body dies (similar to the deletion of files when the computer hard drive is destroyed). Krishnamutri died 36 years ago in 1986. He doesn't exist (i.e. no such phenomenon in human consciousness).
What do you think of my hypothesis? I test it daily it in living my life. I welcome criticisms.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 16:25:57 GMT -5
Yeah sometimes when a student gets deep into the teachings of a deceased guru, they become open enough to receive the presence of the teacher and therefore gain more understanding of what they were saying when they were alive. I would imagine that it benefits both. If I remember right there are a handful of books from Gurdjieff post death. How genuine they are I don't know. I never regarded Krishnamurti as a guru or spiritual teacher. I viewed him as a person of renown with expertise on a matter of interest to me. The mysterious nature of reality has fascinated me forever. The fact that we have developed so much practical technology based on knowledge of our world the fundamental nature of which we cannot ascertain is ridiculous. We have not even figured out how the mind is tied to the body (i.e. the hard problem of consciousness).
Benefits both? Do you mean two people: Krishnamurti and me? My perception of reality was fundamentally changed by that circular rainbow experience. There is much to reconsider; and, so far, I have figured out only this much: I am consciousness itself and not a person in possession of a consciousness. I am a state of perception of a world of which I encompass and am at the center. You, similarly, are a state of perception of a world of which you encompass and are at the center. Krishnamurti was a state of perception of a world of which he encompassed and was at the center as well. Each of us is an undefinable phenomenon until it becomes whatever we see ourselves as through cognition as conditioned by sense-data remembered as knowledge. Each of us has a "private" memory bank that makes us a collective of "unique individual state of consciousness". This "private" memory bank vanishes when the body dies (similar to the deletion of files when the computer hard drive is destroyed). Krishnamutri died 36 years ago in 1986. He doesn't exist (i.e. no such phenomenon in human consciousness).
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Post by sree on May 22, 2022 17:09:52 GMT -5
People are alive? You wish. Perhaps, you live in a different world. Mine is the world of the living dead, robots who are uniquely alive in the moment. He said ' See' them that way. As in perceive them as though they are uniquely, alive, in the moment that you meet them. Give them your life force and and your presence and attention. What have you really got to lose in trying it for a month? I can't. I just can't. That $40 billion approved by US Congress for Ukraine. Are those politicians "alive"? For an organism to be considered alive, there must be credible evidence of awareness of stimuli. Our political representatives are tasked and sworn to deal with our issues: trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities and foreign debts; domestic debt, poverty and homelessness. Are they aware of those existential threats to America? Even if we are resorting to printing money, why do it to meet perceived needs of another country on the other side of the planet? Why not use the cash to forgive student loans, or pay slavery reparations to black folks? $1 million to every black American should put an end to that thorn in their sides.
Give my life force to "people"? My circular rainbow experience was similar to an electric shock delivered by a defibrillator to bring me to life. People are flatliners. No heartbeats. I wish I could raise the dead but that would be ghoulish. Zombies would rise up from their graves and worship me as the Second Coming of the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Yuck.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 17:41:55 GMT -5
He said ' See' them that way. As in perceive them as though they are uniquely, alive, in the moment that you meet them. Give them your life force and and your presence and attention. What have you really got to lose in trying it for a month? I can't. I just can't. That $40 billion approved by US Congress for Ukraine. Are those politicians "alive"? For an organism to be considered alive, there must be credible evidence of awareness of stimuli. Our political representatives are tasked and sworn to deal with our issues: trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities and foreign debts; domestic debt, poverty and homelessness. Are they aware of those existential threats to America? Even if we are resorting to printing money, why do it to meet perceived needs of another country on the other side of the planet? Why not use the cash to forgive student loans, or pay slavery reparations to black folks? $1 million to every black American should put an end to that thorn in their sides.
Give my life force to "people"? My circular rainbow experience was similar to an electric shock delivered by a defibrillator to bring me to life. People are flatliners. No heartbeats. I wish I could raise the dead but that would be ghoulish. Zombies would rise up from their graves and worship me as the Second Coming of the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Yuck.
Me thinks you're taking yourself too seriously. Goodnight. www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/optical-effects/rainbows/full-circle-rainbow"To be able to see a full circle rainbow you need to be able to see water droplets below your observable horizon." |
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Post by sree on May 22, 2022 22:41:15 GMT -5
Thank you for the link. That circular rainbow, in itself, wasn't an existential spiritual miracle. I know enough physics to realize then that there was an explanation but never bothered to find out. The critical impact of that apparition was that it momentarily scuttled my "picture" of reality. I am not trying to convince you of anything. That experience was of value to me. I do take myself seriously. It is the only way to live, intelligently.
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Post by sree on May 22, 2022 22:55:48 GMT -5
Who in the secular public space takes faith-based people seriously? After all, it is a personal thing.
As for academics, it's all theory and the Phds know the ideas they publish ad nauseum won't be read by other Phds let alone budge consensus worldview.
As long as you believe that you are a human being living on planet Earth, you are trapped.
Yes absolutely. So how do you think you find out that you're not? And how do you find out that you are a human being? Did you look at yourself in the mirror and decided to identify yourself as a human being? And that the creature scampering up a tree is a squirrel? We discover everything by ourselves and each a name so we can differentiate one from another. We cooked up our entire universe which form our existential prison all by ourselves. Yes, eternal timeless nature is also a fabrication. Anything, you name it, is cooked up by the consciousness.
I am not a human being when I am alone. I become a human being when I am relating with you or the cashier at the store when I buy groceries.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 23:09:48 GMT -5
Yes absolutely. So how do you think you find out that you're not? And how do you find out that you are a human being? Did you look at yourself in the mirror and decided to identify yourself as a human being? And that the creature scampering up a tree is a squirrel? We discover everything by ourselves and each a name so we can differentiate one from another. We cooked up our entire universe which form our existential prison all by ourselves. Yes, eternal timeless nature is also a fabrication. Anything, you name it, is cooked up by the consciousness.
I am not a human being when I am alone. I become a human being when I am relating with you or the cashier at the store when I buy groceries.
And that's absolutely fine and dandy! Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said the goal of life is to live 200% of life, 100% relative and 100% absolute. |
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Post by sree on May 23, 2022 10:36:43 GMT -5
And how do you find out that you are a human being? Did you look at yourself in the mirror and decided to identify yourself as a human being? And that the creature scampering up a tree is a squirrel? We discover everything by ourselves and each a name so we can differentiate one from another. We cooked up our entire universe which form our existential prison all by ourselves. Yes, eternal timeless nature is also a fabrication. Anything, you name it, is cooked up by the consciousness.
I am not a human being when I am alone. I become a human being when I am relating with you or the cashier at the store when I buy groceries.
And that's absolutely fine and dandy! Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said the goal of life is to live 200% of life, 100% relative and 100% absolute. Fine and dandy? Mahesh Yogi's two-faced attitude explains India's deplorable conditions: 100% opulent and 100% deprivation. I couldn't believe the horrific endemic human squalor, whole families living in hovels here and there and everywhere in the messy cities. I couldn't bring myself to live in 3-star hotels (choice of upper-middle-class Indians) let alone sleep in cheap hotels and temples (choice of white westerners seeking eternal timeless nature). Me? Holiday Inn was bearable; otherwise, the top 5-star hotel was where I stayed wherever I went. Every one of those fancy hotels was an oasis, an impressive "Taj Mahal" surrounded by slums. The hotel I stayed at in Bangalore had a fleet of white topline Mercedes Benz limousines lined up along it entire front. India is not all poor. It's 100% unbearably debased and 100% insensitively pretentious. And it is the pretentious that are patrons of spiritual bigshots like Mahesh. I am not lying. Osho had a fleet of Rolls Royces at his commune in America.
I went to Bangalore to visit the Valley School founded by a wealthy "industrialist" who was a follower of Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti was graced by India's prime minister, Indira Gandhi.
satch, you had better wake up.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 11:20:16 GMT -5
And that's absolutely fine and dandy! Maharishi Mahesh Yogi said the goal of life is to live 200% of life, 100% relative and 100% absolute. Fine and dandy? Mahesh Yogi's two-faced attitude explains India's deplorable conditions: 100% opulent and 100% deprivation. I couldn't believe the horrific endemic human squalor, whole families living in hovels here and there and everywhere in the messy cities. I couldn't bring myself to live in 3-star hotels (choice of upper-middle-class Indians) let alone sleep in cheap hotels and temples (choice of white westerners seeking eternal timeless nature). Me? Holiday Inn was bearable; otherwise, the top 5-star hotel was where I stayed wherever I went. Every one of those fancy hotels was an oasis, an impressive "Taj Mahal" surrounded by slums. The hotel I stayed at in Bangalore had a fleet of white topline Mercedes Benz limousines lined up along it entire front. India is not all poor. It's 100% unbearably debased and 100% insensitively pretentious. And it is the pretentious that are patrons of spiritual bigshots like Mahesh. I am not lying. Osho had a fleet of Rolls Royces at his commune in America.
I went to Bangalore to visit the Valley School founded by a wealthy "industrialist" who was a follower of Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti was graced by India's prime minister, Indira Gandhi.
satch, you had better wake up.
wake up to what? To the denial of individuality and experience of world? No thanks! Whether you like it or not you ain't escaping samsara which incidentally is no different to nirvana. |
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Post by sree on May 23, 2022 22:29:11 GMT -5
Fine and dandy? Mahesh Yogi's two-faced attitude explains India's deplorable conditions: 100% opulent and 100% deprivation. I couldn't believe the horrific endemic human squalor, whole families living in hovels here and there and everywhere in the messy cities. I couldn't bring myself to live in 3-star hotels (choice of upper-middle-class Indians) let alone sleep in cheap hotels and temples (choice of white westerners seeking eternal timeless nature). Me? Holiday Inn was bearable; otherwise, the top 5-star hotel was where I stayed wherever I went. Every one of those fancy hotels was an oasis, an impressive "Taj Mahal" surrounded by slums. The hotel I stayed at in Bangalore had a fleet of white topline Mercedes Benz limousines lined up along it entire front. India is not all poor. It's 100% unbearably debased and 100% insensitively pretentious. And it is the pretentious that are patrons of spiritual bigshots like Mahesh. I am not lying. Osho had a fleet of Rolls Royces at his commune in America.
I went to Bangalore to visit the Valley School founded by a wealthy "industrialist" who was a follower of Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti was graced by India's prime minister, Indira Gandhi.
satch, you had better wake up.
wake up to what? To the denial of individuality and experience of world? No thanks! Whether you like it or not you ain't escaping samsara which incidentally is no different to nirvana. I noticed that you keep hijacking this thread, which is about Krishnmaurti. He had rejected all the gurus and their Hinduism (Ramana, Ramakrishna, Advaita, Mahesh Yogi, samsara, nirvarna); and yet, you keep shoving them and their beliefs into our discussion. Why?
Samsara is about a soul that gets reborn over and over again. Nirvana is the ending of that cycle of birth and death. And you say one is not different from the other.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 22:44:49 GMT -5
wake up to what? To the denial of individuality and experience of world? No thanks! Whether you like it or not you ain't escaping samsara which incidentally is no different to nirvana. I noticed that you keep hijacking this thread, which is about Krishnmaurti. He had rejected all the gurus and their Hinduism (Ramana, Ramakrishna, Advaita, Mahesh Yogi, samsara, nirvarna); and yet, you keep shoving them and their beliefs into our discussion. Why?
Samsara is about a soul that gets reborn over and over again. Nirvana is the ending of that cycle of birth and death. And you say one is not different from the other.
I'm hijacking because I'm engaging in a discussion about themes that have emerged from Krishnamurti on what he accepts which is worthy of discussion and what he rejects which is also worthy of discussion? I see. Well I'll gladly step aside in that case. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 6:17:53 GMT -5
I'm hijacking because I'm engaging in a discussion about themes that have emerged from Krishnamurti on what he accepts which is worthy of discussion and what he rejects which is also worthy of discussion? I see. Well I'll gladly step aside in that case. On the one hand none of this stuff should be difficult to discuss.. But on the other it's impossible to discuss Pick your poison sir  Indeed. Well said. Well this is awkward. I had to grant myself special permission to come out of my self-imposed exile from this thread to read your comment. I'll just insert the phrase "Krishnamurti is a crybaby" here to make sure my post is relevant. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 8:01:13 GMT -5
I noticed that you keep hijacking this thread, which is about Krishnmaurti. He had rejected all the gurus and their Hinduism (Ramana, Ramakrishna, Advaita, Mahesh Yogi, samsara, nirvarna); and yet, you keep shoving them and their beliefs into our discussion. Why?
Samsara is about a soul that gets reborn over and over again. Nirvana is the ending of that cycle of birth and death. And you say one is not different from the other. I'm hijacking because I'm engaging in a discussion about themes that have emerged from Krishnamurti on what he accepts which is worthy of discussion and what he rejects which is also worthy of discussion? I see. Well I'll gladly step aside in that case. For what it's worth, I don't see you doing anything wrong or 'hijacking' anything. Granted I'm kind of skimming the thread now, so maybe I missed your horrible behavior - haha. Maybe "sree" is a reincarnation of one of the banned members that has a beef with you. Or he/she is easily triggered. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 8:19:01 GMT -5
I'm hijacking because I'm engaging in a discussion about themes that have emerged from Krishnamurti on what he accepts which is worthy of discussion and what he rejects which is also worthy of discussion? I see. Well I'll gladly step aside in that case. For what it's worth, I don't see you doing anything wrong or 'hijacking' anything. Granted I'm kind of skimming the thread now, so maybe I missed your horrible behavior - haha. Maybe "sree" is a reincarnation of one of the banned members that has a beef with you. Or he/she is easily triggered. Hi Robert. When I see the red flag of oversensitivity flapping in the wind I start to get a bit mischievous 😀. The spiritual search thingy is a very serious pursuit which is why it's absolutely essential you don't take yourself too seriously! |
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