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Post by lolly on Jun 7, 2023 5:49:43 GMT -5
She displays an inclination towards fault-finding, which contradicts her fundamental principle of 'no blaming'. By attributing blame with statements like "You did this, you did that, so you are wrong," it is highly likely that she encounters similar situations in her personal life as well. Sometimes I think these spiritual principles can be a bit idealistic. If she is 'blaming' a bit, as part of exploring her passion, I don't see it as a big problem. Equally, those that are 'blamed' might understandably prefer not to engage with it. I didn't get blamed or anything, but when I see it looks like noise would look like (if you could see noise). If I was in a real life audio conversation and that happened, I might have to 'go to the bathroom' and not return
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Post by andrew on Jun 8, 2023 7:24:15 GMT -5
Sometimes I think these spiritual principles can be a bit idealistic. If she is 'blaming' a bit, as part of exploring her passion, I don't see it as a big problem. Equally, those that are 'blamed' might understandably prefer not to engage with it. I didn't get blamed or anything, but when I see it looks like noise would look like (if you could see noise). If I was in a real life audio conversation and that happened, I might have to 'go to the bathroom' and not return I get ya. You've always been a fan of the 'listening' not 'telling' approach to conversation, and I don't think Fig would mind me saying that there's an aspect of her personality that can be a bit like a 'bull in a china shop' at times (not sure if you have that saying in Oz/America), and understandably, it's not to everyone's tastes. I'm really just saying that I think the way she focuses on certain people is more innocent than it might seem, it's more just stimulus for her to say what she is drawn to saying.
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 8, 2023 11:10:26 GMT -5
I didn't get blamed or anything, but when I see it looks like noise would look like (if you could see noise). If I was in a real life audio conversation and that happened, I might have to 'go to the bathroom' and not return I get ya. You've always been a fan of the 'listening' not 'telling' approach to conversation, and I don't think Fig would mind me saying that there's an aspect of her personality that can be a bit like a 'bull in a china shop' at times (not sure if you have that saying in Oz/America), and understandably, it's not to everyone's tastes. I'm really just saying that I think the way she focuses on certain people is more innocent than it might seem, it's more just stimulus for her to say what she is drawn to saying. You can be my spokesperson any time Andrew. Thank you. After all the years we've conversed on forum on off, through ups and downs in terms of our communications with each other, it's clear that at this juncture, you 'get me.'
The reason I'm presently back to posting mostly on gab is because it's clear that people like ZD, Reefs, Lolly, and a few others feel my presence here ruins their forum experience...if I'm here, there's a good chance they will find they cannot tolerate themselves staying. I am sensitive and compassionate to that fact.
As 'bull in the China-shop-y' as my approach to Nonduality convos can indeed be, my aim is not to outright hurt or disturb the peace and enjoyment of anyone on this forum, thus, it seems best right now if I just keep things relegated to my forum. Those who are deeply disturbed by my comments then, can simply choose not to visit my forum. It's as simple as that.
What I do find interesting though, is that as some here are saying they have no use for me or my posts, visitor numbers on gab continue to go up as I post here and then over there....clearly there are folks (and I do hear directly from some of em) who enjoy my approach/dharma combat style when it comes to Nonduality discussion.
As I've said previously, it's my view that those who are not prepared to have their their views on Truth held up to the light of deep scrutiny (in a civil, non-personal manner, of course) are plain and simply, not ready yet for Nonduality. They'd do far better to focus upon human adulthood....getting clear on WIBIGO. There's no shame at all in a focus upon self-help/having a better story/dream, if that's where one is.
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Post by zazeniac on Jun 8, 2023 13:42:53 GMT -5
I get ya. You've always been a fan of the 'listening' not 'telling' approach to conversation, and I don't think Fig would mind me saying that there's an aspect of her personality that can be a bit like a 'bull in a china shop' at times (not sure if you have that saying in Oz/America), and understandably, it's not to everyone's tastes. I'm really just saying that I think the way she focuses on certain people is more innocent than it might seem, it's more just stimulus for her to say what she is drawn to saying. You can be my spokesperson any time Andrew. Thank you. After all the years we've conversed on forum on off, through ups and downs in terms of our communications with each other, it's clear that at this juncture, you 'get me.'
The reason I'm presently back to posting mostly on gab is because it's clear that people like ZD, Reefs, Lolly, and a few others feel my presence here ruins their forum experience...if I'm here, there's a good chance they will find they cannot tolerate themselves staying. I am sensitive and compassionate to that fact.
As 'bull in the China-shop-y' as my approach to Nonduality convos can indeed be, my aim is not to outright hurt or disturb the peace and enjoyment of anyone on this forum, thus, it seems best right now if I just keep things relegated to my forum. Those who are deeply disturbed by my comments then, can simply choose not to visit my forum. It's as simple as that.
What I do find interesting though, is that as some here are saying they have no use for me or my posts, visitor numbers on gab continue to go up as I post here and then over there....clearly there are folks (and I do hear directly from some of em) who enjoy my approach/dharma combat style when it comes to Nonduality discussion.
As I've said previously, it's my view that those who are not prepared to have their their views on Truth held up to the light of deep scrutiny (in a civil, non-personal manner, of course) are plain and simply, not ready yet for Nonduality. They'd do far better to focus upon human adulthood....getting clear on WIBIGO. There's no shame at all in a focus upon self-help/having a better story/dream, if that's where one is.
I invite you to stay. I'm sure you can have your say without antagonism. I enjoy some of the things you say on gab. But it's a strange admixture of ND and politics. Not my preference. I miss a lot of the folks from the past, you and E and my limerick evoking friend Sree.
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Post by inavalan on Jun 8, 2023 13:52:55 GMT -5
I didn't get blamed or anything, but when I see it looks like noise would look like (if you could see noise). If I was in a real life audio conversation and that happened, I might have to 'go to the bathroom' and not return I get ya. You've always been a fan of the 'listening' not 'telling' approach to conversation, and I don't think Fig would mind me saying that there's an aspect of her personality that can be a bit like a 'bull in a china shop' at times (not sure if you have that saying in Oz/America), and understandably, it's not to everyone's tastes. I'm really just saying that I think the way she focuses on certain people is more innocent than it might seem, it's more just stimulus for her to say what she is drawn to saying. No, she intentionally attempts to irritate others. It is a compulsive behavior. The others don't have to tolerate that, and should act as they see fit. Nobody must support an inconvenience just to stimulate her. But, the experience of having to deal with somebody that irritates you (the impersonal "you") is the result of your own psychological state (beliefs, expectations, personality's ability). You can momentarily deal with the irritant, e.g. as with a Zeland pendulum, but if you don't identify and remove your originating belief, another irritant manifestation will pop up, of the same or a different nature: an illness, a loss, ...
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Post by zendancer on Jun 8, 2023 14:17:13 GMT -5
I get ya. You've always been a fan of the 'listening' not 'telling' approach to conversation, and I don't think Fig would mind me saying that there's an aspect of her personality that can be a bit like a 'bull in a china shop' at times (not sure if you have that saying in Oz/America), and understandably, it's not to everyone's tastes. I'm really just saying that I think the way she focuses on certain people is more innocent than it might seem, it's more just stimulus for her to say what she is drawn to saying. You can be my spokesperson any time Andrew. Thank you. After all the years we've conversed on forum on off, through ups and downs in terms of our communications with each other, it's clear that at this juncture, you 'get me.' The reason I'm presently back to posting mostly on gab is because it's clear that people like ZD, Reefs, Lolly, and a few others feel my presence here ruins their forum experience...if I'm here, there's a good chance they will find they cannot tolerate themselves staying. I am sensitive and compassionate to that fact.
As 'bull in the China-shop-y' as my approach to Nonduality convos can indeed be, my aim is not to outright hurt or disturb the peace and enjoyment of anyone on this forum, thus, it seems best right now if I just keep things relegated to my forum. Those who are deeply disturbed by my comments then, can simply choose not to visit my forum. It's as simple as that. What I do find interesting though, is that as some here are saying they have no use for me or my posts, visitor numbers on gab continue to go up as I post here and then over there....clearly there are folks (and I do hear directly from some of em) who enjoy my approach/dharma combat style when it comes to Nonduality discussion.
As I've said previously, it's my view that those who are not prepared to have their their views on Truth held up to the light of deep scrutiny (in a civil, non-personal manner, of course) are plain and simply, not ready yet for Nonduality. They'd do far better to focus upon human adulthood....getting clear on WIBIGO. There's no shame at all in a focus upon self-help/having a better story/dream, if that's where one is.
Not at all. I simply don't engage if I think that a poster is playing a game of one-upmanship, being overly argumentative, plays the "I-you" game, or regularly mis-portrays whatever I've posted. I also don't read text walls unless they're unusually interesting. I've never been interested in lucid dreaming, astral travel, or other similar phenomena although I accept that some people have those kinds of experiences. I engage when I think it might be productive or lead to an interesting convo, but if that doesn't seem likely, then I refrain. There are some posters I never respond to because it's obvious that our understanding is too far apart to have a meaningful convo. In many cases I'm happy to agree to disagree when that appears to be the most appropriate course of action. The only time during the last decade that I considered leaving the forum was when the foodfighting became so intense that it resulted in pages and pages of argumentation and denigration each day, and it became tiring to read through all that nonsense. Fortunately, that sort of thing ended when Reefs took over the role of moderator.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 8, 2023 20:15:58 GMT -5
What I do find interesting though, is that as some here are saying they have no use for me or my posts, visitor numbers on gab continue to go up as I post here and then over there.... The real story is found in the number of active posters...and you know that. How does your forum compare to ST in that regard? Be honest.
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Post by lolly on Jun 9, 2023 3:08:42 GMT -5
You can be my spokesperson any time Andrew. Thank you. After all the years we've conversed on forum on off, through ups and downs in terms of our communications with each other, it's clear that at this juncture, you 'get me.' The reason I'm presently back to posting mostly on gab is because it's clear that people like ZD, Reefs, Lolly, and a few others feel my presence here ruins their forum experience...if I'm here, there's a good chance they will find they cannot tolerate themselves staying. I am sensitive and compassionate to that fact.
As 'bull in the China-shop-y' as my approach to Nonduality convos can indeed be, my aim is not to outright hurt or disturb the peace and enjoyment of anyone on this forum, thus, it seems best right now if I just keep things relegated to my forum. Those who are deeply disturbed by my comments then, can simply choose not to visit my forum. It's as simple as that. What I do find interesting though, is that as some here are saying they have no use for me or my posts, visitor numbers on gab continue to go up as I post here and then over there....clearly there are folks (and I do hear directly from some of em) who enjoy my approach/dharma combat style when it comes to Nonduality discussion.
As I've said previously, it's my view that those who are not prepared to have their their views on Truth held up to the light of deep scrutiny (in a civil, non-personal manner, of course) are plain and simply, not ready yet for Nonduality. They'd do far better to focus upon human adulthood....getting clear on WIBIGO. There's no shame at all in a focus upon self-help/having a better story/dream, if that's where one is.
Not at all. I simply don't engage if I think that a poster is playing a game of one-upmanship, being overly argumentative, plays the "I-you" game, or regularly mis-portrays whatever I've posted. I also don't read text walls unless they're unusually interesting. I've never been interested in lucid dreaming, astral travel, or other similar phenomena although I accept that some people have those kinds of experiences. I engage when I think it might be productive or lead to an interesting convo, but if that doesn't seem likely, then I refrain. There are some posters I never respond to because it's obvious that our understanding is too far apart to have a meaningful convo. In many cases I'm happy to agree to disagree when that appears to be the most appropriate course of action. The only time during the last decade that I considered leaving the forum was when the foodfighting became so intense that it resulted in pages and pages of argumentation and denigration each day, and it became tiring to read through all that nonsense. Fortunately, that sort of thing ended when Reefs took over the role of moderator. Yep. I threw in the towel over all that and left for a long while, and no way would I recommend this site at that time because I thought it was unsafe and people might be sucked into something twisted like you, you, I and all that, but I changed my tune when Reefs stepped in and have actually gone so far as to recommend ST to others as a great ND styled forum.
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Post by ouroboros on Jun 9, 2023 5:53:18 GMT -5
What I do find interesting though, is that as some here are saying they have no use for me or my posts, visitor numbers on gab continue to go up as I post here and then over there.... The real story is found in the number of active posters...and you know that. How does your forum compare to ST in that regard? Be honest. I consider the numbers fluctuation thing is more likely an indication that a certain element are more drawn to drama than anything else. I mean, we only have to look at society in general and the fact that there is a whole genre of books and tv/movies devoted to drama to know that anyway. I'm not really passing judgement about that, to each their own, and I don't mind a bit of drama myself in moderation. But I'm just not convinced that it's the 'challenging debate' aspect which draws them. Coz you can actually have that without the drama. When I post here, I don't worry too much about the ratings anyway. I leave that to Rupert Murdock. Who are these 'ones who watch' anyway …. kinky devils! I call them 'the spartans' (the 300).
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 9, 2023 6:37:32 GMT -5
The real story is found in the number of active posters...and you know that. How does your forum compare to ST in that regard? Be honest. I consider the numbers fluctuation thing is more likely an indication that a certain element are more drawn to drama than anything else. I mean, we only have to look at society in general and the fact that there is a whole genre of books and tv/movies devoted to drama to know that anyway. I'm not really passing judgement about that, to each their own, and I don't mind a bit of drama myself in moderation. But I'm just not convinced that it's the 'challenging debate' aspect which draws them. Coz you can actually have that without the drama. When I post here, I don't worry too much about the ratings anyway. I leave that to Rupert Murdock. Who are these 'ones who watch' anyway …. kinky devils! I call them 'the spartans' (the 300). Yes, drama. Its kinda like the gorilla exhibition at the zoo. Peeps are drawn to watch the curious behavior and antics of the creatures but would never think to join in.
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Post by inavalan on Jun 9, 2023 21:14:45 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Jun 10, 2023 10:52:04 GMT -5
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Post by zazeniac on Jun 10, 2023 11:08:31 GMT -5
Body sensations and perceptions are myriad. Focus which tends to identify as "I" is not. This is interesting. Most sensations happen under the radar. What is this radar?
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Post by laughter on Jun 13, 2023 5:11:08 GMT -5
You can be my spokesperson any time Andrew. Thank you. After all the years we've conversed on forum on off, through ups and downs in terms of our communications with each other, it's clear that at this juncture, you 'get me.' The reason I'm presently back to posting mostly on gab is because it's clear that people like ZD, Reefs, Lolly, and a few others feel my presence here ruins their forum experience...if I'm here, there's a good chance they will find they cannot tolerate themselves staying. I am sensitive and compassionate to that fact.
As 'bull in the China-shop-y' as my approach to Nonduality convos can indeed be, my aim is not to outright hurt or disturb the peace and enjoyment of anyone on this forum, thus, it seems best right now if I just keep things relegated to my forum. Those who are deeply disturbed by my comments then, can simply choose not to visit my forum. It's as simple as that. What I do find interesting though, is that as some here are saying they have no use for me or my posts, visitor numbers on gab continue to go up as I post here and then over there....clearly there are folks (and I do hear directly from some of em) who enjoy my approach/dharma combat style when it comes to Nonduality discussion.
As I've said previously, it's my view that those who are not prepared to have their their views on Truth held up to the light of deep scrutiny (in a civil, non-personal manner, of course) are plain and simply, not ready yet for Nonduality. They'd do far better to focus upon human adulthood....getting clear on WIBIGO. There's no shame at all in a focus upon self-help/having a better story/dream, if that's where one is.
Not at all. I simply don't engage if I think that a poster is playing a game of one-upmanship, being overly argumentative, plays the "I-you" game, or regularly mis-portrays whatever I've posted. I also don't read text walls unless they're unusually interesting. I've never been interested in lucid dreaming, astral travel, or other similar phenomena although I accept that some people have those kinds of experiences. I engage when I think it might be productive or lead to an interesting convo, but if that doesn't seem likely, then I refrain. There are some posters I never respond to because it's obvious that our understanding is too far apart to have a meaningful convo. In many cases I'm happy to agree to disagree when that appears to be the most appropriate course of action. The only time during the last decade that I considered leaving the forum was when the foodfighting became so intense that it resulted in pages and pages of argumentation and denigration each day, and it became tiring to read through all that nonsense. Fortunately, that sort of thing ended when Reefs took over the role of moderator. (** hangs head in shame **)
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Post by laughter on Jun 13, 2023 5:18:25 GMT -5
I consider the numbers fluctuation thing is more likely an indication that a certain element are more drawn to drama than anything else. I mean, we only have to look at society in general and the fact that there is a whole genre of books and tv/movies devoted to drama to know that anyway. I'm not really passing judgement about that, to each their own, and I don't mind a bit of drama myself in moderation. But I'm just not convinced that it's the 'challenging debate' aspect which draws them. Coz you can actually have that without the drama. When I post here, I don't worry too much about the ratings anyway. I leave that to Rupert Murdock. Who are these 'ones who watch' anyway …. kinky devils! I call them 'the spartans' (the 300). Yes, drama. Its kinda like the gorilla exhibition at the zoo. Peeps are drawn to watch the curious behavior and antics of the creatures but would never think to join in. There has to be a hook. Some sense of relation. As I've mentioned before, the perspectives expressed by pretty much everyone who has ever posted here (outside of spam), are quite unique. Not a shallow pond. Finding that is few and far between on the interwebs. Always has, always will.
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