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Post by Reefs on Jun 5, 2023 8:50:05 GMT -5
Yes, bad form. My apologies. But you have to consider the timeline of posts when I replied. I wasn't aware of your other post at the time. I don't remember the Aquaman thing at all, that's how serious it must have been. ETA: You will see in the replies to my question that people's opinion re: Figgles differs depending on their history and intensity of interactions with Figgles. People like you and I or Inavalan and Laughter who had long and intense exchanges with her, actually do see mental issues involved. Others, like SDP or Ouros, who didn't have any long or intense exchanges with her, see it more as a silly quirk. Just going to drop it here - I can't sensibly engage in it and when I read it I just sense disruption becoming chaotic, so I basically just leave the thread. That's why I prefer the absence to the presence, and that's where I stand on this. Smart choice. It was basically a pointless interaction. That's why I stopped replying. ZD did the same. Some others as well. Such people have no place here anymore. And that has been as clear as ever during this short cycle. There's a genuine lack of interest in these kinds of interactions now. And I think this speaks to the level of maturity of the membership here. I didn't even have to moderate in the end. The problem basically solved itself.
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Post by zazeniac on Jun 5, 2023 9:27:37 GMT -5
I think the figgles persona was a debate champion. Winning is ingrained and goes quite deep. Bulldog tenacity, I'd say. I don't feel the need to defend myself. If someone's reply is causing consternation then it's worth examining. If further discussion seems fruitless, I disengage by simply saying it's my last response and they can have the last word. So simple.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 5, 2023 10:02:03 GMT -5
I don't feel the need to defend myself. If someone's reply is causing consternation then it's worth examining. If further discussion seems fruitless, I disengage by simply saying it's my last response and they can have the last word. So simple. This wasn't directed at you, actually. I just thought it was a good illustration of what just went down here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 13:35:20 GMT -5
Just going to drop it here - I can't sensibly engage in it and when I read it I just sense disruption becoming chaotic, so I basically just leave the thread. That's why I prefer the absence to the presence, and that's where I stand on this. Smart choice. It was basically a pointless interaction. That's why I stopped replying. ZD did the same. Some others as well. Such people have no place here anymore. And that has been as clear as ever during this short cycle. There's a genuine lack of interest in these kinds of interactions now. And I think this speaks to the level of maturity of the membership here. I didn't even have to moderate in the end. The problem basically solved itself. I am getting bored of watching her finding fault in you and ZD. I told her many times and asked her what kind of pleasure she has gotten in finding fault in you. Don't know why! She finds a kind of pleasure finding fault in you. But she writes that finding blame in other shows that one is in out of flow.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 5, 2023 22:25:46 GMT -5
Smart choice. It was basically a pointless interaction. That's why I stopped replying. ZD did the same. Some others as well. Such people have no place here anymore. And that has been as clear as ever during this short cycle. There's a genuine lack of interest in these kinds of interactions now. And I think this speaks to the level of maturity of the membership here. I didn't even have to moderate in the end. The problem basically solved itself. I am getting bored of watching her finding fault in you and ZD. I told her many times and asked her what kind of pleasure she has gotten in finding fault in you. Don't know why! She finds a kind of pleasure finding fault in you. But she writes that finding blame in other shows that one is in out of flow. ZD and I aren't going to read any of that anyway. We don't care. So why do you (and some others here)? To me this topic is done. Some people are just too far gone. You gotta accept that. There's nothing you can do if someone has decided to be unhappy. Most people only learn the hard way anyway, i.e. via negative experiences. As Abe always say, words don't teach, only life experience does. If people feel that they have suffered enough, they are willing to change. And so, this is probably just one of those cases where someone hasn't suffered enough yet. Now the question is, do you want to become a part of it and be out of alignment as well or do you want to remain in alignment and let this run its natural course? Because by fighting it, by commenting on it and even by just silently reading along, you keep perpetuating it because your attention to it adds energy to it. That's why I would suggest that the best course of action for all us here is to fully withdraw attention from it and it won't be part of our experience anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 4:41:30 GMT -5
I am getting bored of watching her finding fault in you and ZD. I told her many times and asked her what kind of pleasure she has gotten in finding fault in you. Don't know why! She finds a kind of pleasure finding fault in you. But she writes that finding blame in other shows that one is in out of flow. ZD and I aren't going to read any of that anyway. We don't care. So why do you (and some others here)? To me this topic is done. Some people are just too far gone. You gotta accept that. There's nothing you can do if someone has decided to be unhappy. Most people only learn the hard way anyway, i.e. via negative experiences. As Abe always say, words don't teach, only life experience does. If people feel that they have suffered enough, they are willing to change. And so, this is probably just one of those cases where someone hasn't suffered enough yet. Now the question is, do you want to become a part of it and be out of alignment as well or do you want to remain in alignment and let this run its natural course? Because by fighting it, by commenting on it and even by just silently reading along, you keep perpetuating it because your attention to it adds energy to it. That's why I would suggest that the best course of action for all us here is to fully withdraw attention from it and it won't be part of our experience anymore. She finds some kind of pleasure finding fault in you like the way Sharon finds the joy for raising unnecessary questions. She is not having any interest in having valuable discussion. She inclined to find more fault. Let her live in her own world.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 6, 2023 5:47:12 GMT -5
ZD and I aren't going to read any of that anyway. We don't care. So why do you (and some others here)? To me this topic is done. Some people are just too far gone. You gotta accept that. There's nothing you can do if someone has decided to be unhappy. Most people only learn the hard way anyway, i.e. via negative experiences. As Abe always say, words don't teach, only life experience does. If people feel that they have suffered enough, they are willing to change. And so, this is probably just one of those cases where someone hasn't suffered enough yet. Now the question is, do you want to become a part of it and be out of alignment as well or do you want to remain in alignment and let this run its natural course? Because by fighting it, by commenting on it and even by just silently reading along, you keep perpetuating it because your attention to it adds energy to it. That's why I would suggest that the best course of action for all us here is to fully withdraw attention from it and it won't be part of our experience anymore. She finds some kind of pleasure finding fault in you like the way Sharon finds the joy for raising unnecessary questions. She is not having any interest in having valuable discussion. She inclined to find more fault. Let her live in her own world. That just proves your stamping theory. You should be happy.
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Post by andrew on Jun 6, 2023 5:51:17 GMT -5
ZD and I aren't going to read any of that anyway. We don't care. So why do you (and some others here)? To me this topic is done. Some people are just too far gone. You gotta accept that. There's nothing you can do if someone has decided to be unhappy. Most people only learn the hard way anyway, i.e. via negative experiences. As Abe always say, words don't teach, only life experience does. If people feel that they have suffered enough, they are willing to change. And so, this is probably just one of those cases where someone hasn't suffered enough yet. Now the question is, do you want to become a part of it and be out of alignment as well or do you want to remain in alignment and let this run its natural course? Because by fighting it, by commenting on it and even by just silently reading along, you keep perpetuating it because your attention to it adds energy to it. That's why I would suggest that the best course of action for all us here is to fully withdraw attention from it and it won't be part of our experience anymore. She finds some kind of pleasure finding fault in you like the way Sharon finds the joy for raising unnecessary questions. She is not having any interest in having valuable discussion. She inclined to find more fault. Let her live in her own world. I'm going to defend a bit and say that I think she just has a strong passion for a particular subject ('Truth'). If she really wanted to argue, she would still be here...arguing. Her primary pleasure is in expressing her thoughts on the subject, like a blog, but she needs adversaries of sorts to find stuff to talk about, to express her passion. Otherwise she'd just be saying the same couple of paragraphs over and over. In a sense, she needs stimulus. It's a mix of 'energy' and 'interest' and I guess it will change form to some extent at some point, because that's the way these things normally go. I'm not going to say it's wholly pure, but I don't put anyone on that pedestal, including me.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 6, 2023 9:28:58 GMT -5
She finds some kind of pleasure finding fault in you like the way Sharon finds the joy for raising unnecessary questions. She is not having any interest in having valuable discussion. She inclined to find more fault. Let her live in her own world. I'm going to defend a bit and say that I think she just has a strong passion for a particular subject ('Truth'). If she really wanted to argue, she would still be here...arguing. Her primary pleasure is in expressing her thoughts on the subject, like a blog, but she needs adversaries of sorts to find stuff to talk about, to express her passion. Otherwise she'd just be saying the same couple of paragraphs over and over. In a sense, she needs stimulus. It's a mix of 'energy' and 'interest' and I guess it will change form to some extent at some point, because that's the way these things normally go. I'm not going to say it's wholly pure, but I don't put anyone on that pedestal, including me. This is a good example for explaining how this emotional guidance scale works, because what gives pleasure to someone is relative and subjective. This is not for you personally, but for everyone reading along: In the relative feeling context, your natural state is at contentment (#7), that's the neutral point so to speak. And if your predominant (aka baseline) emotional set point is in the contentment range (#7), you will find being dragged into blame (#15), revenge (#18) or even hate (#19) mode very uncomfortable and are not likely going to stay there for long if at all because it will feel like getting the wind knocked out of you. However, if your baseline is in the insecurity/unworthiness (#21) or depression/powerlessness (#22) range then moving into hate (#19) and then maybe further into revenge (#18) and blame (#15) mode is a major improvement, it will feel like a breath of fresh air and in that sense pleasurable. So only someone who has a habitual emotional set point that is much lower than hate or revenge will find pleasure in hateful or revengeful behavior, because it is a step closer to your natural state. But someone who has a habitual emotional set point that is much higher than hate or revenge will find hateful or revengeful behavior very unpleasant, because it is a major step further away from your natural state. That's why anger is not a bad thing per se if you are coming from a much lower feeling state. It only becomes a problem if you get stuck there. But it is a step in the right direction if you are coming from depression or worthlessness and it should feel like a huge relief. Now, the people who are going to be the objects of your anger are probably going to disagree here, but if you would just keep going, moving up the emotional scale by reaching for more relief, you'll be quickly into blame and frustration until you get bored with all that perpetual negativity and then you can make the transition into the positive feeling range. That's when suddenly things start working out again, your life suddenly has more options and life gets exciting again, you'll find other people seeking your company and wanting to be part of whatever amazing thing you've got going on and now the better it gets the better it gets... and then you won't even have any access to any memories from your times at depression or anger anymore, let alone the people you were hanging out with there. In fact, if you should bump into those angry or hateful people again, it will just feel weird and maybe even funny, watching their antics. Don't waste your potential for an extraordinary life on the leading edge with such small-minded tit for tat nonsense, guys. Take the contrast that these unpleasant encounters offer for what it is intended for and then move on, i.e. let it define more clearly what you actually do want and then turn the other cheek and give your full attention to THAT! ETA: When I took over as moderator here, the predominant emotional set point of the forum was probably mostly somewhere between #17 and #19. Nowadays, it is usually somewhere upwards #10. So someone coming here wanting to drag conversation back to the #18 range is not going to find much support here anymore, or an audience. In that sense, I think this forum has made some huge progress.
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Post by sharon on Jun 6, 2023 11:58:20 GMT -5
She finds some kind of pleasure finding fault in you like the way Sharon finds the joy for raising unnecessary questions. She is not having any interest in having valuable discussion. She inclined to find more fault. Let her live in her own world. That just proves your stamping theory. You should be happy. A little piece of him would die if he experience this happiness.
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Post by laughter on Jun 6, 2023 12:03:44 GMT -5
I will place the trophy for this (with the dated inscription "made ourboros wrong") front and center in my crowded display case. Rest assured that the prize money will be spent wisely .. on Albanian cognac, hookers from Uzbekistan, and Finnish cigars. The shame of your loss will never be spoken of again. LOL! Put the cigar back in its case. By that stage it was either conceding defeet or conceding definger. It was a tough call!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 22:12:37 GMT -5
She finds some kind of pleasure finding fault in you like the way Sharon finds the joy for raising unnecessary questions. She is not having any interest in having valuable discussion. She inclined to find more fault. Let her live in her own world. That just proves your stamping theory. You should be happy. ha ha
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 22:51:11 GMT -5
She finds some kind of pleasure finding fault in you like the way Sharon finds the joy for raising unnecessary questions. She is not having any interest in having valuable discussion. She inclined to find more fault. Let her live in her own world. I'm going to defend a bit and say that I think she just has a strong passion for a particular subject ('Truth'). If she really wanted to argue, she would still be here...arguing. Her primary pleasure is in expressing her thoughts on the subject, like a blog, but she needs adversaries of sorts to find stuff to talk about, to express her passion. Otherwise she'd just be saying the same couple of paragraphs over and over. In a sense, she needs stimulus. It's a mix of 'energy' and 'interest' and I guess it will change form to some extent at some point, because that's the way these things normally go. I'm not going to say it's wholly pure, but I don't put anyone on that pedestal, including me. She displays an inclination towards fault-finding, which contradicts her fundamental principle of 'no blaming'. By attributing blame with statements like "You did this, you did that, so you are wrong," it is highly likely that she encounters similar situations in her personal life as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 22:54:02 GMT -5
I'm going to defend a bit and say that I think she just has a strong passion for a particular subject ('Truth'). If she really wanted to argue, she would still be here...arguing. Her primary pleasure is in expressing her thoughts on the subject, like a blog, but she needs adversaries of sorts to find stuff to talk about, to express her passion. Otherwise she'd just be saying the same couple of paragraphs over and over. In a sense, she needs stimulus. It's a mix of 'energy' and 'interest' and I guess it will change form to some extent at some point, because that's the way these things normally go. I'm not going to say it's wholly pure, but I don't put anyone on that pedestal, including me. This is a good example for explaining how this emotional guidance scale works, because what gives pleasure to someone is relative and subjective. This is not for you personally, but for everyone reading along: In the relative feeling context, your natural state is at contentment (#7), that's the neutral point so to speak. And if your predominant (aka baseline) emotional set point is in the contentment range (#7), you will find being dragged into blame (#15), revenge (#18) or even hate (#19) mode very uncomfortable and are not likely going to stay there for long if at all because it will feel like getting the wind knocked out of you. However, if your baseline is in the insecurity/unworthiness (#21) or depression/powerlessness (#22) range then moving into hate (#19) and then maybe further into revenge (#18) and blame (#15) mode is a major improvement, it will feel like a breath of fresh air and in that sense pleasurable. So only someone who has a habitual emotional set point that is much lower than hate or revenge will find pleasure in hateful or revengeful behavior, because it is a step closer to your natural state. But someone who has a habitual emotional set point that is much higher than hate or revenge will find hateful or revengeful behavior very unpleasant, because it is a major step further away from your natural state. That's why anger is not a bad thing per se if you are coming from a much lower feeling state. It only becomes a problem if you get stuck there. But it is a step in the right direction if you are coming from depression or worthlessness and it should feel like a huge relief. Now, the people who are going to be the objects of your anger are probably going to disagree here, but if you would just keep going, moving up the emotional scale by reaching for more relief, you'll be quickly into blame and frustration until you get bored with all that perpetual negativity and then you can make the transition into the positive feeling range. That's when suddenly things start working out again, your life suddenly has more options and life gets exciting again, you'll find other people seeking your company and wanting to be part of whatever amazing thing you've got going on and now the better it gets the better it gets... and then you won't even have any access to any memories from your times at depression or anger anymore, let alone the people you were hanging out with there. In fact, if you should bump into those angry or hateful people again, it will just feel weird and maybe even funny, watching their antics. Don't waste your potential for an extraordinary life on the leading edge with such small-minded tit for tat nonsense, guys. Take the contrast that these unpleasant encounters offer for what it is intended for and then move on, i.e. let it define more clearly what you actually do want and then turn the other cheek and give your full attention to THAT! ETA: When I took over as moderator here, the predominant emotional set point of the forum was probably mostly somewhere between #17 and #19. Nowadays, it is usually somewhere upwards #10. So someone coming here wanting to drag conversation back to the #18 range is not going to find much support here anymore, or an audience. In that sense, I think this forum has made some huge progress. You are watching a movie, and the movement of the movie is pissing you off to act on it, then you are not in witnessing mode.
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Post by andrew on Jun 7, 2023 4:16:35 GMT -5
I'm going to defend a bit and say that I think she just has a strong passion for a particular subject ('Truth'). If she really wanted to argue, she would still be here...arguing. Her primary pleasure is in expressing her thoughts on the subject, like a blog, but she needs adversaries of sorts to find stuff to talk about, to express her passion. Otherwise she'd just be saying the same couple of paragraphs over and over. In a sense, she needs stimulus. It's a mix of 'energy' and 'interest' and I guess it will change form to some extent at some point, because that's the way these things normally go. I'm not going to say it's wholly pure, but I don't put anyone on that pedestal, including me. She displays an inclination towards fault-finding, which contradicts her fundamental principle of 'no blaming'. By attributing blame with statements like "You did this, you did that, so you are wrong," it is highly likely that she encounters similar situations in her personal life as well. Sometimes I think these spiritual principles can be a bit idealistic. If she is 'blaming' a bit, as part of exploring her passion, I don't see it as a big problem. Equally, those that are 'blamed' might understandably prefer not to engage with it.
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