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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 9:00:10 GMT -5
Why are you even bother about this? I don't know what pushes you to search these kind of unnecessary things Wasn't me that searched for it. It is pretty clear that you are not accepting the way universe unfolds, so your SR is in Question. Check that out. If you find Reefs as a problematic person, then you haven't seen something important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 9:05:21 GMT -5
One more point re: Figgles behavior. I notice that I may have misinterpreted her use of the word civility. I go by the dictionary definition of the word, i.e. friendly, respectful, polite. But it occurred to me today that by civility she just means not being openly aggressive. Passive aggression would still fall under the umbrella of civility. But in my book, passive aggression is as unfriendly as open aggression and will be dealt with in the exact same way. You can't survive in this forum if you are not a moderator, finding so much blame with others, this put your SR into Question too. When you can't accept the way things are, you guys haven't seen something clearly. So check it out. I am writing this just for your goodness. I don't have intention to hurt you. Great day!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 9:21:01 GMT -5
At any given moment, If you find yourself into the unacceptable situation, then you still did not understand the way things are happening. Remember, you can't consciously accept the situation when you are facing it, it has to happen.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 3, 2023 9:49:38 GMT -5
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Post by justlikeyou on Jun 3, 2023 14:02:05 GMT -5
Sorry, R. Didn’t see this before I started a new AI Q and A thread. Maybe you can move it?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 3, 2023 23:40:04 GMT -5
Sorry, R. Didn’t see this before I started a new AI Q and A thread. Maybe you can move it? If it doesn't turn into a discussion, I'll move it. If it does, then not. Could be interesting.
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Post by laughter on Jun 4, 2023 1:16:30 GMT -5
There seems to me to be 2 questions we are all addressing 1) Where does maya begin and end. 2) What aspect of maya causes human difficulties, and how do we spiritually address/resolve those difficulties. I'm not saying this to you specifically, it's just that your message prompted that thought. I think. I think, one is saying Maya is (conceptual) separation, but not distinguishing between objects (part of perception). While the other is saying Maya is both. What I'm trying to figure out is whether agreeing with either will make you any less "pillocky." .. well, I didn't answer andy directly because I'm sure it's nothing he hasn't read from me before. But my answer to him would be: (1) is self-inquiry (2) is a noble, human endeavor I'd say that Maya goes deeper than conceptual perception, but that this depth is all relative. I've conceded that difference between conceptual distinction and the contrast of perception, it's just that there are experiences and realizations available that illuminate that difference as existentially insignificant.
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Post by laughter on Jun 4, 2023 2:07:42 GMT -5
Yes, of course, I have no problem with the distinction between "hand" and "tub". But I assign no existential significance to the distinction. The only ultimate relevance it has to any sort of existential inquiry is to recognize that the question is happening. I agree that the first question you bolded, <what is "it"?> is misconceived. It's self-inquiry, and, self-inquiry is only ever THIS seeking THIS. It also just happens to be the most important question a human being can ever ask. The second question, "what, is distinct from what?" derives directly from your construction that "cold" is a distinction prior-to mental overlays. So you see, the misconception in this instance is not mine. It is yours. I talked in terms of cold ness being distinct ive prior to mental overlays. Maybe you think that’s a dwad. I don't. great, not a dwad, but it demonstrates how you're torturing the language to get the conceptual result you want. Clearly, cold is distinct ive from hot. It's useful at this point to review the inception of the debate. I maintain that this "distinctivity" (heh heh .. yer creation not mine! ..) is after-the fact. Notice how you've invented this difference between "distinction" and "distinctive" since then? If you now say that the question of "what, is distinguished from what?" is misconceived, you have conceded defeet!
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Post by Reefs on Jun 4, 2023 10:23:01 GMT -5
Sure. But here you're justifying fantasy with high falutin non-dual language. Best of luck with that. I think the figgles persona was a debate champion. Winning is ingrained and goes quite deep. Bulldog tenacity, I'd say.
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Post by ouroboros on Jun 4, 2023 10:27:44 GMT -5
I talked in terms of cold ness being distinct ive prior to mental overlays. Maybe you think that’s a dwad. I don't. great, not a dwad, but it demonstrates how you're torturing the language to get the conceptual result you want. Clearly, cold is distinct ive from hot. It's useful at this point to review the inception of the debate. I maintain that this "distinctivity" (heh heh .. yer creation not mine! ..) is after-the fact. Notice how you've invented this difference between "distinction" and "distinctive" since then? If you now say that the question of "what, is distinguished from what?" is misconceived, you have conceded defeet! I am prepared to concede defeet.
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Post by laughter on Jun 5, 2023 3:56:59 GMT -5
great, not a dwad, but it demonstrates how you're torturing the language to get the conceptual result you want. Clearly, cold is distinct ive from hot. It's useful at this point to review the inception of the debate. I maintain that this "distinctivity" (heh heh .. yer creation not mine! ..) is after-the fact. Notice how you've invented this difference between "distinction" and "distinctive" since then? If you now say that the question of "what, is distinguished from what?" is misconceived, you have conceded defeet! I am prepared to concede defeet. I will place the trophy for this (with the dated inscription "made ourboros wrong") front and center in my crowded display case. Rest assured that the prize money will be spent wisely .. on Albanian cognac, hookers from Uzbekistan, and Finnish cigars. The shame of your loss will never be spoken of again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 4:12:36 GMT -5
I am prepared to concede defeet. I will place the trophy for this (with the dated inscription "made ourboros wrong") front in center in my crowded display case. Rest assured that the prize money will be spent wisely .. on Albanian cognac, hookers from Uzbekistan, and Finnish cigars. The shame of your loss will never be spoken of again. your smiley is moving
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Post by ouroboros on Jun 5, 2023 6:27:30 GMT -5
I am prepared to concede defeet. I will place the trophy for this (with the dated inscription "made ourboros wrong") front and center in my crowded display case. Rest assured that the prize money will be spent wisely .. on Albanian cognac, hookers from Uzbekistan, and Finnish cigars. The shame of your loss will never be spoken of again. LOL! Put the cigar back in its case. By that stage it was either conceding defeet or conceding definger. It was a tough call!
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Post by lolly on Jun 5, 2023 6:50:03 GMT -5
Hey. That's out of context so I feel compelled to comment. I had been on her site, and I said that half-joking about my own getting sucked into an energy draining argument. But, yes, I think she is way overboard there, and I have made that argument to her, on her site. And to be totally honest, she may be insane. But I think that about quite a few of you, and sometimes myself, so I didn't mean to side with Figgles against you in all that. My comment was more about giving a clean slate and time to calm down and see what happens. For now I'll leave it alone. Maybe we'll talk in private more. I like ouroboros' posts. He hasn't lost his humor and lightness about it all. I mean, remember when you and I got into once about whether you were Aquaman. We both seemed pretty serious about that for a moment. That's funny! (Wait... "Reefs"... oh my God... it was in front of me all along... He's not Tegan. He's Arthur Curry.) Yes, bad form. My apologies. But you have to consider the timeline of posts when I replied. I wasn't aware of your other post at the time. I don't remember the Aquaman thing at all, that's how serious it must have been. ETA: You will see in the replies to my question that people's opinion re: Figgles differs depending on their history and intensity of interactions with Figgles. People like you and I or Inavalan and Laughter who had long and intense exchanges with her, actually do see mental issues involved. Others, like SDP or Ouros, who didn't have any long or intense exchanges with her, see it more as a silly quirk. Just going to drop it here - I can't sensibly engage in it and when I read it I just sense disruption becoming chaotic, so I basically just leave the thread. That's why I prefer the absence to the presence, and that's where I stand on this.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 5, 2023 8:39:02 GMT -5
I am prepared to concede defeet. I will place the trophy for this (with the dated inscription "made ourboros wrong") front and center in my crowded display case. Rest assured that the prize money will be spent wisely .. on Albanian cognac, hookers from Uzbekistan, and Finnish cigars. The shame of your loss will never be spoken of again.
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