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Post by enigma on Nov 26, 2017 18:45:16 GMT -5
Yes, we could be talking about the same thing and "functional aspect" is a wonderful way to describe it  Everyone's expression of the Absolute is different with some being more passive and others more proactive, and I feel that depends significantly on what is our soul purpose or spiritual contract. On one end of the spectrum, we have someone like Ramana Maharshi who was almost always in a passive mode perhaps because that was his life mission. But if one is nearer the other end of the spectrum with a laundry list of worldly things to accomplish and constantly receiving inspirations and visions to build something, perhaps because such a person wishes to experience what it's like to be "deep in the world but not of the world", then the creative process will be more proactive. Or in the case where one may feel plenty of love and compassion and wishes to reach out and enlighten as many people as possible, the creative process will also be more proactive. Granted that RM's total surrender mode may be the most enlightened way of being, it is not necessarily the right one for any given individual as our soul agenda for any particular lifetime supersedes everything else. But whether it's more passive or proactive, yup, they are all functional aspects of the Absolute So, what's a "soul purpose/spiritual contract"? Oops, I see we've already been there done that.  |
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Post by enigma on Nov 26, 2017 19:09:05 GMT -5
Zackly......Now excuse me as it's time for me to regulate my blood gas concentration.... Yeah, you mind doin' that in the next room?  Well, I did, after all, excuse myself prior to performing the procedure.  |
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Post by enigma on Nov 26, 2017 19:10:35 GMT -5
Yeah, the distinction is subtle, but in practice it's very obvious to the speaker because he's not consciously thinking about what he's going to say any more than he's consciously thinking about how to move his mouth in order to make the right sounds. It's as though there is a direct connection from 'seeing' to speaking and it 'seems' like it just happens by itself. (effortless) Always shirking the hard work. (** shakes head sadly **)Non duality is the lazy man's theology.  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 26, 2017 19:18:12 GMT -5
So, what's a "soul purpose/spiritual contract"? Oops, I see we've already been there done that. What's the going rate for a good pre-natal transactional attorney??  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 26, 2017 19:20:12 GMT -5
Non-quality is a hesitant religion. Thinking twice before taking the plunge. Qualities come and go, and they'll keep coming and going to every peep for as long as their drawing breath. Nonduality, as I understand it, isn't the negation of quality, but rather, is about arriving at clarity as regard to the nature of quality. I think you might have irritated a few peeps here on the forum, and this can end up in a self-reinforcing downward spiral. I think I can understand the objection you're raising in this instance, and I don't expect you to accept my challenge/counter-point, but I did want to offer it. I also think that this objection and that irritation are very much related. It was a typo error I said, " Non-quality". Sorry. It`s non-duality is a hesitant religion. Non-duality says, " Not this, not that. " She scrutinizes every word that comes into the screen of the mind. Chop, chop it to pieces for meaning where the end leads to none. So, if non-duality teaches the student to learn No Thing, then what is there to learn? |
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Post by laughter on Nov 26, 2017 19:21:19 GMT -5
Always shirking the hard work. (** shakes head sadly **)Non duality is the lazy man's theology.  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 26, 2017 19:24:46 GMT -5
Qualities come and go, and they'll keep coming and going to every peep for as long as their drawing breath. Nonduality, as I understand it, isn't the negation of quality, but rather, is about arriving at clarity as regard to the nature of quality. I think you might have irritated a few peeps here on the forum, and this can end up in a self-reinforcing downward spiral. I think I can understand the objection you're raising in this instance, and I don't expect you to accept my challenge/counter-point, but I did want to offer it. I also think that this objection and that irritation are very much related. It was a typo error I said, " Non-quality". Sorry. It`s non-duality is a hesitant religion. Non-duality says, " Not this, not that. " She scrutinizes every word that comes into the screen of the mind. Chop, chop it to pieces for meaning where the end leads to none. So, if non-duality teaches the student to learn No Thing, then what is there to learn? heh heh .. so I literally made something out of nothing .. sorry, I reacted based on my perception of your fondness for playing with language. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 26, 2017 19:31:14 GMT -5
Yeah, you mind doin' that in the next room? Well, I did, after all, excuse myself prior to performing the procedure. My objection wasn't time-based, but rather, space-based.  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 26, 2017 19:38:29 GMT -5
It was a typo error I said, " Non-quality". Sorry. It`s non-duality is a hesitant religion. Non-duality says, " Not this, not that. " She scrutinizes every word that comes into the screen of the mind. Chop, chop it to pieces for meaning where the end leads to none. So, if non-duality teaches the student to learn No Thing, then what is there to learn? heh heh .. so I literally made something out of nothing .. sorry, I reacted based on my perception of your fondness for playing with language. It`s alright, my friend. I was in a hurry to take my grand daughter Atasha, a kindergarten, to school. She was telling me, " Lolo, Lolo ( grand father ) please hurry I will be late for school ( when I replied to your answer ). I was shocked when I reviewed what I wrote to you at the school was a typo-error ( non-quality instead of non-duality ). |
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Post by enigma on Nov 26, 2017 20:45:00 GMT -5
Well, I did, after all, excuse myself prior to performing the procedure. My objection wasn't time-based, but rather, space-based. You wanted me to go to the space station? Isn't that a little extreme??  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 26, 2017 21:06:39 GMT -5
My objection wasn't time-based, but rather, space-based. You wanted me to go to the space station? Isn't that a little extreme?? The stage crew is short handed over the holiday weekend and that cardboard-Earth thingy is heavier than it looks. |
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Post by lee on Nov 26, 2017 21:35:07 GMT -5
The first group have merely found the freedom from the need for intellectual answers but not freedom from suffering, for without the benefit of SR they would still be engaged in dualistic thinking/being, which is the cause of suffering. Those who have SR and are able to consistently abide or immerse in the Absolute have found freedom from suffering. The deeper and longer their immersion, the greater their bliss and their freedom from suffering. Thinking then is no longer a hindrance but a tool to help them create their Absolute-inspired reality. The possibility of a relatively greater freedom from suffering is commonly available to most human beings, regardless of SR. What thought is nondual? What thought is absolute? Yes, how much suffering we have boils down to how much attachment we still have, and SR is just one of the many tools that can help us find non-attachment and therefore non-suffering. One thing though in SR and Self-Actualization (SA) -- that is perhaps absent from most other paths/methods -- is that we go into an absolute state of bliss and to say it is "freedom from suffering" becomes quite an understatement. That said, although I have't tried all the paths/methods myself, it is fair to infer that most of them will eventually lead to SR and SA. Thoughts are nondual/absolute when they happen while we are immersed or abiding in the Absolute. Put another way, they are non-attachment thinking as opposed to attachment thinking, hence the freedom from suffering. For this to happen, what we really require is not so much SR but SA, especially if SR happened a while ago and has become merely a memory rather than a day-to-day / moment-to-moment reality. As the saying goes, it is easy to attain enlightenment but not so easy to maintain it. Just to clarify that I am not referring to the Maslow kind of SA (although it can include that as well) but one that is in the words of RM, "perpetual abidance in Brahman, the Absolute." |
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Post by lee on Nov 26, 2017 21:37:13 GMT -5
So, what's a "soul purpose/spiritual contract"? Oops, I see we've already been there done that. Yes, we have, thanks for asking though |
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Post by lee on Nov 26, 2017 21:41:05 GMT -5
Oops, I see we've already been there done that. What's the going rate for a good pre-natal transactional attorney?? You mean a reader/channel/psychic to advise you on what's your soul purpose/contract? |
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Post by lee on Nov 26, 2017 22:00:11 GMT -5
My pleasure My background and interests are part-zen and part-New Age, and coupled with my personal experiences in self-healing and spiritual practice, I find this is the afterlife perspective that feels true for me. Yes, and that is possible, but just not a truth I resonate strongly with. Some of what Maharshi and Nisargardatta said on the topic of reincarnation is quite startling given their native cultural context. Are you familiar with Maharshi's awakening story? Have you ever noticed the Hindu influence on the New-Age culture? No, I have not, what did they say about reincarnation? I've read about it long ago but can't remember now what's RM's awakening story. Pls enlighten me... Yes, chakras, yoga and Ayurveda came from Hinduism but not much else though especially the more essential aspects such as life lessons, freewill, spirit guides/angels, channeling, psychic phenomena, intuitive knowing, energy healing, soulmates, and the afterlife perspective I've just described. But I could be wrong as I'm not that familiar with Hinduism. |
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