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Post by Reefs on Apr 15, 2017 22:21:38 GMT -5
When i was regularly posting, here, there was the tactic used where a certain member would copy posts from the Moderated section into the Unmoderated section, then play his games over there.. i would like to suggest that no copying of posts to the Unmoderated section be permitted without the agreement of those identified in the copied post.. Hi Tzu, the unmoderated section and the moderated section are treated equally now - the entire forum is moderated now. So this problem shouldn't even arise. |
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Post by lolly on Apr 16, 2017 2:24:41 GMT -5
Cool. A moderated, unmoderated section. Might have to call it something else, maybe a 'general & casual topics' section where threads about movies, music, poetry and other related, but not-really-spiritual, topics can go. Or whatever.
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Post by tenka on Apr 16, 2017 4:01:10 GMT -5
Can someone point me to the woo woo section  |
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Post by andrew on Apr 16, 2017 9:04:38 GMT -5
If anyone wants to "make someone wrong," play one-upsmanship games, have food fights, or hurl ridicule, they can always post in the unmoderated section. I just hope that Reefs can make the moderated section a civil place where mutual respect is the norm rather than the rare exception. He has my full support, and I suspect that he'll have the full support of many others. When i was regularly posting, here, there was the tactic used where a certain member would copy posts from the Moderated section into the Unmoderated section, then play his games over there.. i would like to suggest that no copying of posts to the Unmoderated section be permitted without the agreement of those identified in the copied post.. Tzubobli! Nice to see that beard again. |
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Post by Peter on Apr 17, 2017 11:47:13 GMT -5
It's really a slap in the face to Peter Not at all! I found the previous level of...unpleasantness....most off putting, and if anyone can improve on that, I welcome it. I tried it my way and failed to make any headway. People only improve their character (and therefore their posting) when they choose to. And I didn't / don't have time to police bun fights. Other things that have been said in this thread: I'm pretty certain that ProBoards take any adClick commission as payment for hosting the forum, I'd be extremely surprised if Shawn himself saw any benefit. The moderators have very limited powers actually. We can't modify the functioning of the forum much at all, just delete/move posts, deal with reports and ban members. We had to approach Shawn to get Reefs' role changed. The bit about Reefs self selecting was right though, although of course he had ZD and my blessing before we wrote to Shawn. He's the first person to have seriously enquired about the job since the last moderator left. P |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 15:16:07 GMT -5
It's really a slap in the face to Peter Not at all! I found the previous level of...unpleasantness....most off putting, and if anyone can improve on that, I welcome it. I tried it my way and failed to make any headway. People only improve their character (and therefore their posting) when they choose to. And I didn't / don't have time to police bun fights. Other things that have been said in this thread: I'm pretty certain that ProBoards take any adClick commission as payment for hosting the forum, I'd be extremely surprised if Shawn himself saw any benefit. The moderators have very limited powers actually. We can't modify the functioning of the forum much at all, just delete/move posts, deal with reports and ban members. We had to approach Shawn to get Reefs' role changed. The bit about Reefs self selecting was right though, although of course he had ZD and my blessing before we wrote to Shawn. He's the first person to have seriously enquired about the job since the last moderator left. P So you were aware of the new rules which Reefs was arbitrarily implementing before getting the okay from Shawn? |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 17, 2017 20:49:28 GMT -5
The bit about Reefs self selecting was right though, although of course he had ZD and my blessing before we wrote to Shawn. He's the first person to have seriously enquired about the job since the last moderator left. P So you were aware of the new rules which Reefs was arbitrarily implementing before getting the okay from Shawn? Absolutely. We've actually discussed it briefly. In fact, it's the same rules I've already suggested several years ago. |
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Post by Peter on Apr 18, 2017 1:56:41 GMT -5
The bit about Reefs self selecting was right though, although of course he had ZD and my blessing before we wrote to Shawn. He's the first person to have seriously enquired about the job since the last moderator left. So you were aware of the new rules which Reefs was arbitrarily implementing before getting the okay from Shawn? Indeed, his "manifesto" was an essential part of the job application. It's the same approach he's suggested I should take in the past: no temp bans, no discussion, hard line on people being fuelled more by drama than topic. |
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Post by lolly on Apr 18, 2017 2:10:40 GMT -5
It does seem as though temp bans are largely ineffective, as one does tend to re-offend - repeatedly, and really, all this about the circumstances of Reefs appointment is stating the obvious. Willingness to do the god-forsaken task, and the permission to do so, is obviously the minimal criteria, and naturally, forum policy would be discussed and a consensus reached before implementation. We basically know this, anyway, and it kinda goes without saying. Still, being emphatic about it makes it clear, and it indicates a cohesive administration team. This is good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:22:23 GMT -5
So you were aware of the new rules which Reefs was arbitrarily implementing before getting the okay from Shawn? Indeed, his "manifesto" was an essential part of the job application. It's the same approach he's suggested I should take in the past: no temp bans, no discussion, hard line on people being fuelled more by drama than topic. Seems odd that drama is getting such a bad rap. That wisdom and drama aren't interrelated. Like keeping the retirement home quiet for the elderly. Who wouldn't be able to handle any real life drama outside thier artificial environment. I was testing the tolerance of folks in here and it seems like it's all about the talk and not much walk. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:28:36 GMT -5
Indeed, his "manifesto" was an essential part of the job application. It's the same approach he's suggested I should take in the past: no temp bans, no discussion, hard line on people being fuelled more by drama than topic. Seems odd that drama is getting such a bad rap. That wisdom and drama aren't interrelated. Like keeping the retirement home quiet for the elderly. Who wouldn't be able to handle any real life drama outside thier artificial environment. I was testing the tolerance of folks in here and it seems like it's all about the talk and not much walk. You do have a point. A bit of passion is no bad thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:18:20 GMT -5
Seems odd that drama is getting such a bad rap. That wisdom and drama aren't interrelated. Like keeping the retirement home quiet for the elderly. Who wouldn't be able to handle any real life drama outside their artificial environment. I was testing the tolerance of folks in here and it seems like it's all about the talk and not much walk. You do have a point. A bit of passion is no bad thing. Well, it's a huge double bind trying to force tolerance on a forum; 'Everyone will be tolerant of others or they will get banned'. It's like the USA trying to force freedom and democracy on the world. 'You will conform to freedom and democracy or we will bomb you'. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 19, 2017 20:12:58 GMT -5
Well, it's a huge double bind trying to force tolerance on a forum; 'Everyone will be tolerant of others or they will get banned'. It's like the USA trying to force freedom and democracy on the world. 'You will conform to freedom and democracy or we will bomb you'. Remember the no crusade rule and to act your age and walk your talk. |
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Post by lolly on Apr 20, 2017 1:40:17 GMT -5
You do have a point. A bit of passion is no bad thing. Well, it's a huge double bind trying to force tolerance on a forum; 'Everyone will be tolerant of others or they will get banned'. It's like the USA trying to force freedom and democracy on the world. 'You will conform to freedom and democracy or we will bomb you'. Seeing that no one said the former, could that be called a giraffe? Seeing the former was never said, your latter analogy is merely stretching the neck. It's worth mentioning as well that it was never said that being passionate is a transgression of the rules... that's another girraffe --- there's a herd so great of them that surely some need be culled! As the rules here are no crusades or giraffes...Bombs away! (Photo bomb, that is)  |
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Post by figgles on Apr 20, 2017 11:50:11 GMT -5
All, I've joined the mod team with the goal to make this forum great again, i.e. less toxic and more friendly. Which means in addition to the already existing user guidelines I am going to enforce the following rules across the entire board: 1) No giraffes. 2) No crusades. 3) No temp bans. So just act your age, walk your talk and you won't see much moderation. If you have any questions regarding moderation, ask them here in this thread and I'll be happy to clarify. Happy posting! Reefs So...you are going to curb your own forum participation, for the sheer purpose of whipping this forum into a condition that you hope will be your very own, personalized version of 'great'? Why exactly?  If you're not even gonna be participating much yourself, why impose your personal judgements here? ..and in trying to change the way others behave through such an effort, aren't you essentially 'paddling upsteam,' when instead, you could simply get into alignment yourself, and then demonstrate that in your ongoing forum participation? Those who are in alignment with you will readily engage with you, those who are not, simply won't. You say you know how it works... & Be careful what you wish for...a forum completely devoid of contention and a little drama here & there, is gonna get boring. A boring forum is quickly a dead forum. You've seen it all before, so I'm a little surprised you'd take this tact of trying to 'effort' and 'do' the forum into supposed 'greatness.' Time will tell, but conversation already seems to be drying up in the wake of your announcement. Here's a few reminders for you; "Your work is not to look for the perfect place where only the things you want exist. Your work is to look for the things you want in every place.” AH “Satisfying relationships do not bring alignment. Alignment brings satisfying relationships. Do you see what your work its?” AH “Rather than being so ready to jump into action to get the things that you want, we say think them into being; see them, visualize them, and expect them—and they will be.” AH |
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If you're not even gonna be participating much yourself, why impose your personal judgements here?