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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 9:42:56 GMT -5
However... I will give you credit for engaging in this. Most men will run a mile, because sex and its various manifestations is the most sensitive topic which many are not willing to consider on personal terms, leave alone to talk about. You quoted Jed as saying "it's all entertainment". The great sage Ramakrishna said that for the realized, the world is a mansion of delights. Ramakrishna once had to look for one of his devotees who had run off to a brothel. When Ramakrishna turned up there he saw all the women displaying themselves and he reportedly instantly went into samadhi. I'm guessing that probably doesn't happen to the expats sitting on their bar stools in PP. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:02:27 GMT -5
However... I will give you credit for engaging in this. Most men will run a mile, because sex and its various manifestations is the most sensitive topic which many are not willing to consider on personal terms, leave alone to talk about. You quoted Jed as saying "it's all entertainment". The great sage Ramakrishna said that for the realized, the world is a mansion of delights. Ramakrishna once had to look for one of his devotees who had run off to a brothel. When Ramakrishna turned up there he saw all the women displaying themselves and he reportedly instantly went into samadhi. I'm guessing that probably doesn't happen to the expats sitting on their bar stools in PP. Depends what kind of delights... and Jed is definitely the realized who enjoys all that life has to offer. And life has to offer many things, some of which I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. I don't know what samadhi is, and Satch, you don't have to 'confess your sins' to me or anyone, especially on a public forum like that. But we both know the realities of life here. Expats in SE Asia are a special category of expats. Take from this exchange what you will, and discard the rest. Only you know you and what it means to be you. That's all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:06:14 GMT -5
You quoted Jed as saying "it's all entertainment". The great sage Ramakrishna said that for the realized, the world is a mansion of delights. Ramakrishna once had to look for one of his devotees who had run off to a brothel. When Ramakrishna turned up there he saw all the women displaying themselves and he reportedly instantly went into samadhi. I'm guessing that probably doesn't happen to the expats sitting on their bar stools in PP. Depends what kind of delights... and Jed is definitely the realized who enjoys all that life has to offer. And life has to offer many things, some of which I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. I don't know what samadhi is, and Satch, you don't have to 'confess your sins' to me or anyone, especially on a public forum like that. But we both know the realities of life here. Expats in SE Asia are a special category of expats. Take from this exchange what you will, and discard the rest. Only you know you and what it means to be you. That's all. How do you know Jed is self realized? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:14:47 GMT -5
Depends what kind of delights... and Jed is definitely the realized who enjoys all that life has to offer. And life has to offer many things, some of which I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. I don't know what samadhi is, and Satch, you don't have to 'confess your sins' to me or anyone, especially on a public forum like that. But we both know the realities of life here. Expats in SE Asia are a special category of expats. Take from this exchange what you will, and discard the rest. Only you know you and what it means to be you. That's all. How do you know Jed is self realized? well... it may not sound like much, but it takes one to know one. I know his Mind and who/what he is. He has the Knowing. Beyond that.. how can one prove something like this? No photos or videos, no fingerprints or other material evidence.. He is. You have to take my words for it... or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:16:00 GMT -5
Incidentally.. here is our own crazy shot here on Spiritual Teachers.. very relevant to discussion of SE Asia: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4837/cebu-philippines?page=1It`s really up to the foreigners if they are looking for sex with the natives. Koreans and Japanese tourists have decided to stay for good by marrying the locals and put businesses here from Korean and Japanese restaurants, dental clinics, beauty shops, selling second hand cars, etc. There are also Germans, Americans, French tourists. They make Cebu their drop off point and hop to the other islands by ferry/plane. The Chinese, they come here to gamble or smuggle drugs ( crack/meth ). We have an underground economy where the poor sell grilled hotdogs, pork barbecues and hanging rice in the sidewalks. Others are coordinators of illegal numbers game, drug runners. A marijuana stick to locals at 5 pesos, to foreigners maybe a dollar( 50 pesos ) a stick. They all blend together with rich and middle class citizens who eke a living employed in the civil service, employed that man the malls, supermarkets, etc. You name it we got it. There growing number of HIV/Aids cases, STDs. Sex in Cebu sells like hotcakes and majority whether law-abiding/prostitutes/scums are devotees of the Sr Sto Nino of Cebu ( Holy Child Jesus ). Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4837/cebu-philippines?page=1#ixzz4cdNibAbJ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:29:13 GMT -5
How do you know Jed is self realized? well... it may not sound like much, but it takes one to know one. I know his Mind and who/what he is. He has the Knowing. Beyond that.. how can one prove something like this? No photos or videos, no fingerprints or other material evidence.. He is. You have to take my words for it... or not. Yet he disappoints you. You know his mind? If you look at the realized it is not their mind that you know. There is no mind, only Self. You should only feel peace. However there are those with special, strong, magnetic personalities who can be mistaken for something else. I can't say this applies to him, but beware. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:38:35 GMT -5
well... it may not sound like much, but it takes one to know one. I know his Mind and who/what he is. He has the Knowing. Beyond that.. how can one prove something like this? No photos or videos, no fingerprints or other material evidence.. He is. You have to take my words for it... or not. Yet he disappoints you. You know his mind? If you look at the realized it is not their mind that you know. There is no mind, only Self. You should only feel peace. However there are those with special, strong, magnetic personalities who can be mistaken for something else. I can't say this applies to him, but beware. He disappoints me as a human being. As his Self. Who says you should only feel peace? Which manual? You personally don't feel only peace, so why do you even come up with this nonsense? There is no 'enlightenment', Satch. There are humans who realised that and saw themselves and the nature of what they are. The nature is very simple: Human Condition makes a human both beautiful and ugly. What kind of balance within is that combination of beautiful/ugly? This is the only question one needs to ask when encounting other human beings. What are they - within? So I don;t really care these days whether a human self realised or not. I care about that Self they are. The kind of Self they are. |
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Post by figgles on Mar 28, 2017 10:49:16 GMT -5
Any questions you asked were already couched in your premature condemnation of him. You've already made up your mind based upon nothing more than a stereotype. I get it that you're disappointed in this "Jed" person's behavior, but you really should think twice before you lash out in anger to whitewash every male of a certain age and ethnicity, with that same dirty brush. Your language is inaccurate. 'Premature' does not go with 'condemnation'. It goes with 'ejaculation'. I would use the expression 'prior condemnation' instead. Interesting, isn't it? The language is always used to corrupt the meaning or to suggest the meaning, which was not otherwise initially expressed. There is no anger if you talk about emotion of anger. It's just that exchanges based on Reality, rather than mental projections of Reality - are always abrasive to humans. I have no interest in continuing this exchange with you. I wish you well. Sure it does. Just gotta Get your mind off male sexuality. "Premature" means "too early." Condemnation is 'premature' when one stereotypes another and arrives at a conclusion of his guilt, before any actual evidence of such presents. & you can spin this however you like, you're angry at Jed. (& other men too, simply for the fact of being, men) It comes across loud and clear. |
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Post by penny on Mar 28, 2017 10:51:09 GMT -5
Tano, do you believe there is a solution for you in regards to all of this? I guess I'm still not understanding your point. If it's not a solution, what are you looking for?
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Post by figgles on Mar 28, 2017 10:54:53 GMT -5
I was initially all set to ban Tano, and then I read the whole thread and got a better sense of where her(?) anger is coming from. It's a hell of a situation and positions of power and privilege are being abused, no doubt about it. You know Satch, it's only defamation if it's not true. You had the opportunity to deny the accusation categorically - including this bar fine question you're ignoring - and you've come away looking like you've dodged the question; going for the legal redress route instead. Which sort of reminds me of the whole problem in the first place. The photos are not of Satch, but posted linking him to them. So that is an insinuation and I've deleted that post. I think it's been 3 years since I last deleted a member's post. Tano I'm assuming that you don't know Satch personally. You seem to be basing the whole of your "Tar Satch with the same brush as Jed" accusation on that fact that he's chosen to remain in Thailand for an extended period of time. Which is entirely circumstantial. If you've got no proof about him using prostitutes, then "innocent until proven guilty" is going to stand. Please cease and desist all further unprovable accusations. You're welcome to PM me to discuss further. Thank you Peter. All I would say is that she has no business asking me these questions in the first place which is why I didn't answer. I haven't asked her if she has ever borrowed money from someone and not paid it back. There would be no onus on her to answer it and failure to do so would not make her a cheat. Incidentally I don't even know who Jed McKenna is. Exactly. & she didn't just 'ask.' Her question was more rhetorical than actually curious......asked from a position of already assuming your guilt. |
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Post by penny on Mar 28, 2017 10:55:05 GMT -5
Your language is inaccurate. 'Premature' does not go with 'condemnation'. It goes with 'ejaculation'. I would use the expression 'prior condemnation' instead. Interesting, isn't it? The language is always used to corrupt the meaning or to suggest the meaning, which was not otherwise initially expressed. There is no anger if you talk about emotion of anger. It's just that exchanges based on Reality, rather than mental projections of Reality - are always abrasive to humans. I have no interest in continuing this exchange with you. I wish you well. Sure it does. Just gotta Get your mind off male sexuality. "Premature" means "too early." Condemnation is 'premature' when one stereotypes another and arrives at a conclusion of his guilt, before any actual evidence of such presents. & you can spin this however you like, you're angry at Jed. (& other men too, simply for the fact of being, men) It comes across loud and clear. Yes it does. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:57:06 GMT -5
Sure it does. Just gotta Get your mind off male sexuality. "Premature" means "too early." Condemnation is 'premature' when one stereotypes another and arrives at a conclusion of his guilt, before any actual evidence of such presents. & you can spin this however you like, you're angry at Jed. (& other men too, simply for the fact of being, men) It comes across loud and clear. I will talk to you only when you have something real to offer, instead of engaging your Self in lies and offering platitudes of no substance. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:57:32 GMT -5
Yet he disappoints you. You know his mind? If you look at the realized it is not their mind that you know. There is no mind, only Self. You should only feel peace. However there are those with special, strong, magnetic personalities who can be mistaken for something else. I can't say this applies to him, but beware. He disappoints me as a human being. As his Self. Who says you should only feel peace? Which manual? You personally don't feel only peace, so why do you even come up with this nonsense? There is no 'enlightenment', Satch. There are humans who realised that and saw themselves and the nature of what they are. The nature is very simple: Human Condition makes a human both beautiful and ugly. What kind of balance within is that combination of beautiful/ugly? This is the only question one needs to ask when encounting other human beings. What are they - within? So I don;t really care these days whether a human self realised or not. I care about that Self they are. The kind of Self they are. If you don't think there's enlightenment or peace, which is the same thing, what are you doing hanging around a spirituality forum? So there is no awakening but Jedy baby has the knowing. What the heck does that mean? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 28, 2017 11:00:22 GMT -5
Okay that was your email to Jed. Do you have any words from Jed saying precisely what he did that was unacceptable to you? Why do I need any words from Jed when I happened to be in the same place and observed the 'cuddles'? He would never discuss his lifestyle. Once he learned (I told him) that I saw him.. he became silent. I understand that. He has been protecting his identity for over twenty years (why??), and then some unknown c*nt of a woman comes along, and all falls into her lap. Combined with all I know about Jed, all his comments on the Forum and in emails... It was not hard to figure out the reality of his Self. I will not disclose his physical form. But I want others to be aware that 'enlightenment' does not make one the light. That it is a myth, for which he charges money, in the same way every 'guru' has done. But look at how the money is spent. Jed stated a thousand times: all is entertainment. Yeahhhh.. nah. Maybe Jed has no interest in 'mastery'. Its a different spiritual path...a path that includes values, morality and responsibility for karmic creation. Many of the arguments on the forum have been conflicts between those more drawn to seeing through illusion, and those more drawn to mastery. I'm at the point where I think its horses for courses, people cant help but be on one or the other. For you, maybe its time to just walk away from Jed, if you haven't already. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:01:53 GMT -5
Tano, do you believe there is a solution for you in regards to all of this? I guess I'm still not understanding your point. If it's not a solution, what are you looking for? There is no solution. I don't for a second fool myself into thinking it will in any way change the perception people have of Jed, or their trust in him. He provides a useful framework for humans to see things as they are, but it doesn't include seeing HIM as he is. I have made it known, the rest is whatever is. I simply found it difficult to carry it within on my own. |
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