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Post by figgles on Mar 28, 2017 11:06:03 GMT -5
Sure it does. Just gotta Get your mind off male sexuality. "Premature" means "too early." Condemnation is 'premature' when one stereotypes another and arrives at a conclusion of his guilt, before any actual evidence of such presents. & you can spin this however you like, you're angry at Jed. (& other men too, simply for the fact of being, men) It comes across loud and clear. I will talk to you only when you have something real to offer, instead of engaging your Self in lies and offering platitudes of no substance. What lies am I engaging? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:08:03 GMT -5
Maybe Jed has no interest in 'mastery'. Its a different spiritual path...a path that includes values, morality and responsibility for karmic creation. Many of the arguments on the forum have been conflicts between those more drawn to seeing through illusion, and those more drawn to mastery. I'm at the point where I think its horses for courses, people cant help but be on one or the other. For you, maybe its time to just walk away from Jed, if you haven't already. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. The Paradox is that there are no values, morality or responsibility in the absolute sense...yet, there are in the human sense of existence. That only becomes seen when the true Sewlf is seen clearly. Mine seem to be a hard wired DNA part. As I said before, there is a very real human price paid for this. I guess this is part of me walking away. I am an investigator by nature, so had to investigate. |
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Post by penny on Mar 28, 2017 11:09:28 GMT -5
Tano, do you believe there is a solution for you in regards to all of this? I guess I'm still not understanding your point. If it's not a solution, what are you looking for? There is no solution. I don't for a second fool myself into thinking it will in any way change the perception people have of Jed, or their trust in him. He provides a useful framework for humans to see things as they are, but it doesn't include seeing HIM as he is. I have made it known, the rest is whatever is. I simply found it difficult to carry it within on my own. From what you've written it doesn't appear that this is just a Jed thing. You seem to be really struggling with what he is, yes, but also with what that means in a much larger sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:13:29 GMT -5
One has to see through it to the fact there is no enlightenment. In other words.. there is no enlightenment, but to know that - one has to become 'enlightened'. The nature of Truth is Paradox, and guess what? Truth does not exist. I am not hanging around here. I came with one purpose: to express what has been discovered. Once people stop engaging - I will disappear again. I make my own questions and find my own answers. You see... I haven't spent the last 1.5 years in absence for no reason. I wanted the bottom line. And I got it  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:14:31 GMT -5
There is no solution. I don't for a second fool myself into thinking it will in any way change the perception people have of Jed, or their trust in him. He provides a useful framework for humans to see things as they are, but it doesn't include seeing HIM as he is. I have made it known, the rest is whatever is. I simply found it difficult to carry it within on my own. From what you've written it doesn't appear that this is just a Jed thing. You seem to be really struggling with what he is, yes, but also with what that means in a much larger sense. I posited this question in the OP. What does it MEAN to be human? I have the answer now. |
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Post by figgles on Mar 28, 2017 11:14:59 GMT -5
Maybe Jed has no interest in 'mastery'. Its a different spiritual path...a path that includes values, morality and responsibility for karmic creation. Many of the arguments on the forum have been conflicts between those more drawn to seeing through illusion, and those more drawn to mastery. I'm at the point where I think its horses for courses, people cant help but be on one or the other. For you, maybe its time to just walk away from Jed, if you haven't already. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. The Paradox is that there are no values, morality or responsibility in the absolute sense...yet, there are in the human sense of existence. That only becomes seen when the true Sewlf is seen clearly. Mine seem to be a hard wired DNA part. As I said before, there is a very real human price paid for this. I guess this is part of me walking away. I am an investigator by nature, so had to investigate.But did you really 'investigate'? Seems to me you spouted off on a public forum, making some really serious accusations and insinuations, without even having a full exchange with the person in question to assess whether what you saw was really what you thought it was. As I've see with your tact with Satch, and men in general, you are a little prone to stereotyping and jumping to conclusions, based upon nothing more than surface appearances. I'm sure this "jed" fella would be thrilled to know there's a public forum thread online speaking about his 'abusive nature,' as though it were a hard fact. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 28, 2017 11:22:08 GMT -5
Maybe Jed has no interest in 'mastery'. Its a different spiritual path...a path that includes values, morality and responsibility for karmic creation. Many of the arguments on the forum have been conflicts between those more drawn to seeing through illusion, and those more drawn to mastery. I'm at the point where I think its horses for courses, people cant help but be on one or the other. For you, maybe its time to just walk away from Jed, if you haven't already. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. The Paradox is that there are no values, morality or responsibility in the absolute sense...yet, there are in the human sense of existence. That only becomes seen when the true Sewlf is seen clearly. Mine seem to be a hard wired DNA part. As I said before, there is a very real human price paid for this. I guess this is part of me walking away. I am an investigator by nature, so had to investigate. Yes that is the paradox well expressed. I can't ignore the human part too, I know when I've acted badly and it pesters me until I've addressed it as best I can. Twenty years ago as a young adult I acted badly at times....prostitutes were not my thing, neither was sleeping around, but of course I acted selfishly at times in different situations...i was unfaithful to a girlfriend once, lied at times ..not crimes of the century obviously, but still. I imagine we all have a reference for what its like to act badly. So my experience is that humans in general tend to be very situational, most men and woman can act both well and act badly, but it depends on their context and life situation. Jed should probably get himself out of Thailand, but maybe he can't, maybe he has to play this out, maybe find a way to connect more deeply to his basic human values. Maybe he is exploring the boundaries of enlightenment or something of the sort. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:28:37 GMT -5
Yes that is the paradox well expressed. I can't ignore the human part too, I know when I've acted badly and it pesters me until I've addressed it as best I can. Twenty years ago as a young adult I acted badly at times....prostitutes were not my thing, neither was sleeping around, but of course I acted selfishly at times in different situations...i was unfaithful to a girlfriend once, lied at times ..not crimes of the century obviously, but still. I imagine we all have a reference for what its like to act badly. So my experience is that humans in general tend to be very situational, most men and woman can act both well and act badly, but it depends on their context and life situation. Jed should probably get himself out of Thailand, but maybe he can't, maybe he has to play this out, maybe find a way to connect more deeply to his basic human values. Maybe he is exploring the boundaries of enlightenment or something of the sort. You got it Andrew. A simple human Wisdom, instead of the b.s. of arguing over definitional terms and who has the biggest d*ck. Jed loves it here. He simply lives his life to the full, with no contraints. P.S. I should add.. the biggest enlightenment d*ck  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:40:48 GMT -5
You got it Andrew. A simple human Wisdom, instead of the b.s. of arguing over definitional terms and who has the biggest d*ck. Jed loves it here. He simply lives his life to the full, with no contraints. P.S. I should add.. the biggest enlightenment d*ck Nothing you have said has anything to do with waking up. If you are conflicted about the personal human aspect, you are still asleep. It's as simple as that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:45:31 GMT -5
Nothing you have said has anything to do with waking up. If you are conflicted about the personal human aspect, you are still asleep. It's as simple as that. If you say so. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:47:07 GMT -5
Nothing you have said has anything to do with waking up. If you are conflicted about the personal human aspect, you are still asleep. It's as simple as that. If you say so. Yes I do, with absolute certainty and no doubt whatsoever. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:51:21 GMT -5
Yes I do, with absolute certainty and no doubt whatsoever. Satch, I have no bone in that. I am not enlightened. No one is. You are not. The Buddha wasn't. Jesus wasn't. Jed isn't. If you cannot see that... a ways to go, baby. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:58:43 GMT -5
Yes I do, with absolute certainty and no doubt whatsoever. Satch, I have no bone in that. I am not enlightened. No one is. You are not. The Buddha wasn't. Jesus wasn't. Jed isn't. If you cannot see that... a ways to go, baby. The darkest day is just before the dawn honey. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 12:01:22 GMT -5
Yes I do, with absolute certainty and no doubt whatsoever. Satch, I want to add that I wasn't talking about 'waking up', and I stated in the beginning I have no interest in that anymore. I was talking about Jed The Human Being, because Jed the human being is what was of interest to me. What happens 'after' for some, and for others and why what happens can be so different. That does not require special 'enlighttenment' language. |
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Post by penny on Mar 28, 2017 12:05:29 GMT -5
From what you've written it doesn't appear that this is just a Jed thing. You seem to be really struggling with what he is, yes, but also with what that means in a much larger sense. I posited this question in the OP. What does it MEAN to be human? I have the answer now. I know you said you want this topic focused on the human condition and not on truth realization but the two are inseparable, post seeing. I'm not here to offer advice but just comment on the unique position one finds ones self in, again post seeing. The mind struggles with questions like, What do I do now? It's a massively confusing time because one really doesn't know what the heck to think or even feel. You literally get launched into nowhere with nothing to inform you on anything. The mind doesn't want that kind of freedom but knows it's on it's own, for the first time. Everything you feel so strongly about comes rushing to the forefront and has to be dealt with. It's not the lovely peaceful fluffy fall into true self we all want. It sucks bad. If you found your answer that quickly you're very fortunate because it's a lifetime worth of feelings/thoughts/beliefs/desires that get trashed by the knowing and that hurts, usually for quite some time after. |
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