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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 8:32:10 GMT -5
"Is there an inner barrier called 'conscience'?" ... From the four books I've read I only remember a bit of the chapter Truman Show (in Theory of Everything). I won't put quotes etc.. but I looked at it again and I think that what is usually described as 'beyond' (in which there is not you, me, self, etc) includes conscience. I know this is some mystical approach.. but better than silence, for me. There is no 'beyond', and nothing is mystical. However, to sell #it# - it has to LOOK mystical. 'Ordinary' has no sellable value, and no one will flock to the 'guru' to listen how normal and absolutely mediocre it really is. Because it is nothing but what you see around. The question is.. what exactly do you see? How far? How deep? To separate the men from the boys one just needs to look at what they do. NOT what they write. Gurus need to shut up and go home. They are monkeys preaching to other monkeys. Go and plough a field or build a house or something... At least it is constructive and real. There IS Self. Ramana, for instance, never stated there is no Self, the opposite. And hey presto! Jed has changed his tune recently on his forum: "All worthwhile answers come from You and You only... even if it is a teacher appearing to you, it's all You. Please note, I am talking about two very different ''yous''.
"No books ever again, I found it much more interesting to read me (hey, no.. I don't mean my books, I mean ''Me''.)
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Post by penny on Mar 25, 2017 12:35:05 GMT -5
Interesting, but I have to ask....so what? Everyone knows what goes on in the world and what humans are capable of and most adults are aware of how insulated we here in the west are from the real deal. But what any of this has to do with anything else, well I can't figure out what your point is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 13:07:25 GMT -5
Interesting, but I have to ask....so what? Everyone knows what goes on in the world and what humans are capable of and most adults are aware of how insulated we here in the west are from the real deal. But what any of this has to do with anything else, well I can't figure out what your point is. You are aware... but cannot know, in absence of first hand experience. This is the game changer - direct experience of what one talks about. Which makes your statement 'most adults are aware' meaningless. Watching something on TV and think it makes you aware - is naive. Awareness is not a result of the news broadcast. "what any of this has to do with anything else" to do with what 'anything else'? |
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Post by penny on Mar 25, 2017 13:40:44 GMT -5
Oh, BS. One doesn't need first hand experience to see the depravity in humans, it's everywhere. Do I have to go out and kill or rape someone in order to understand killing and raping, it's affects or what it does to the victims? Do I need to actually be a serial child rapist in order to understand what motivates the rapist? Do I need to literally tear into someone else's flesh in order to understand that people will tear into another's flesh because, fill in the blank. No. For whatever reason you've chosen to come here and try to shock everyone with your not so unique viewpoint on enlightenment, what affects it does or does not have and what real human nature is. Your current favorite viewpoint. That is the "anything else".
You are right, humans are wicked, effed up and it's all perfectly part of our nature. We're also the opposite and everything else in between. That is why I believe the suicide rate in those who've seen their true nature is probably higher than in those of the general population. Enlightenment does not gift you with a final correct indisputable viewpoint. Enlightenment gifts you with nothing but what's already here and those who've seen their real self who were expecting something else get the shock of their lifetime. You get nothing AND you don't get to escape from having a viewpoint and one viewpoint becomes meaningless in the sea of never ending viewpoints.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 13:52:39 GMT -5
Oh, BS. One doesn't need first hand experience to see the depravity in humans, it's everywhere. Do I have to go out and kill or rape someone in order to understand killing and raping, it's affects or what it does to the victims? Do I need to actually be a serial child rapist in order to understand what motivates the rapist? Do I need to literally tear into someone else's flesh in order to understand that people will tear into another's flesh because, fill in the blank. No. Yes. You sound pretty angry. |
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Post by penny on Mar 25, 2017 13:56:37 GMT -5
Not angry at all, just honest. Used to be very angry though, have mentioned that here a time or two. And the answer is an emphatic no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 14:02:10 GMT -5
Not angry at all, just honest. Used to be very angry though, have mentioned that here a time or two. And the answer is an emphatic no. OK. Penny, I have a very fine tuned sense of what it means to be a lie, and my b.s. detector is pretty good, Jed once commented on that. if you see nothing wrong in anything Jed is doing - I am not the one to convince you otherwise. |
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Post by penny on Mar 25, 2017 14:34:25 GMT -5
Wait, what? Oh boy, I think I may have gotten who said what and does/did what backward. Apologies for not playing closer attention Tano.
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Post by penny on Mar 25, 2017 15:08:44 GMT -5
Now that I reread and have the players straight... Jeds personality always irked me, not what he said or wrote about but more in how he would emphasize certain things. Maybe someone else picked up on it too. Or maybe not. I wouldn't be overly shocked if these accusations turned out to be true, I don't believe enlightenment grants one immunity from the human condition. If it's all true and we combine that with the fact that these books came from that particular mind, well that's begs many questions.
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Post by maxdprophet on Mar 25, 2017 16:27:14 GMT -5
Now that I reread and have the players straight... Jeds personality always irked me, not what he said or wrote about but more in how he would emphasize certain things. Maybe someone else picked up on it too. Or maybe not. I wouldn't be overly shocked if these accusations turned out to be true, I don't believe enlightenment grants one immunity from the human condition. If it's all true and we combine that with the fact that these books came from that particular mind, well that's begs many questions. I've always thought that he came across as quite a jerk. So yea, not hard to believe. |
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Post by figgles on Mar 25, 2017 16:41:47 GMT -5
There is something unpalatable, unsavory in picking up very young women the age of your grandaughter for f**cks. They wouldn't have chosen this kind of life, given other options.They do it out of destitute desperation, and here white privilliged dudes come and take full advantage of. Can you not see that this is a covert form of abuse? Hey Tano...nice to see you back.  Amen to all of that. Undoubtedly, those who think it's ok to scratch their sexual 'itch,' by taking advantage of the desperation of another human being, are selfish as8holes, to put it mildly. Not sure though, why you assume that Satch thinks anything different than that...? Is it just 'cause he's a man? If so, that's not fair. There are men that find that sort of thing as distasteful as you and I. I would say that Anyone who would argue that fulfilling a bodily urge by using the unfortunate circumstances of another human being, to take advantage of that, is not engaging in 'innocent' fun at all. I recall a girlfriend feeling disgust at finding out her husband had frequented young prostitutes while traveling. He actually had the gall to tell her that those young women were in need of money, and thus, in hiring them to fulfill his sexual needs,he was actually 'helping' them. Her reply of 'if you really wanted to help them, why not simply hand over 100 bucks and send them on their way without f*cking them, left him utterly speechless. That is shocking to hear, if it is so that "Jed McKenna" actually engages in that kind of self serving behavior. Surely being awake means that all becomes illuminated, including bodily urges. While I would not expect for sexual interest per se, to actually fall away, surely a sexual interest that is so pervasive that one is willing to abuse another, is indicative that something is awry. |
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Post by penny on Mar 25, 2017 17:29:06 GMT -5
Now that I reread and have the players straight... Jeds personality always irked me, not what he said or wrote about but more in how he would emphasize certain things. Maybe someone else picked up on it too. Or maybe not. I wouldn't be overly shocked if these accusations turned out to be true, I don't believe enlightenment grants one immunity from the human condition. If it's all true and we combine that with the fact that these books came from that particular mind, well that's begs many questions. I've always thought that he came across as quite a jerk. So yea, not hard to believe. I thought he was arrogant and his emphasis/attraction to the darker side of life sort of makes sense in light of what tano is saying. I always suspected he must have much more to say about that darker side, he just barely skimmed it in his books but always returned to it. He did write some stuff that I was attracted to though so his books do still have value in my opinion, for some of us at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 20:03:08 GMT -5
There is something unpalatable, unsavory in picking up very young women the age of your grandaughter for f**cks. They wouldn't have chosen this kind of life, given other options.They do it out of destitute desperation, and here white privilliged dudes come and take full advantage of. Can you not see that this is a covert form of abuse? Hey Tano...nice to see you back. Amen to all of that. Undoubtedly, those who think it's ok to scratch their sexual 'itch,' by taking advantage of the desperation of another human being, are selfish as8holes, to put it mildly. Not sure though, why you assume that Satch thinks anything different than that...? Is it just 'cause he's a man? If so, that's not fair. There are men that find that sort of thing as distasteful as you and I. I would say that Anyone who would argue that fulfilling a bodily urge by using the unfortunate circumstances of another human being, to take advantage of that, is not engaging in 'innocent' fun at all. I recall a girlfriend feeling disgust at finding out her husband had frequented young prostitutes while traveling. He actually had the gall to tell her that those young women were in need of money, and thus, in hiring them to fulfill his sexual needs,he was actually 'helping' them. Her reply of 'if you really wanted to help them, why not simply hand over 100 bucks and send them on their way without f*cking them, left him utterly speechless. That is shocking to hear, if it is so that "Jed McKenna" actually engages in that kind of self serving behavior. Surely being awake means that all becomes illuminated, including bodily urges. While I would not expect for sexual interest per se, to actually fall away, surely a sexual interest that is so pervasive that one is willing to abuse another, is indicative that something is awry. For the record I've already reported tano's post for defamation, for insinuating that because I am a man living in Thailand, that I use prostitutes and exploit young girls. She posted photos of men with young girls and associated that with me. That's unacceptable and I'm waiting to hear your response Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 21:45:03 GMT -5
For the record I've already reported tano's post for defamation, for insinuating that because I am a man living in Thailand, that I use prostitutes and exploit young girls. She posted photos of men with young girls and associated that with me. That's unacceptable and I'm waiting to hear your response Peter. You haven't answered my question: have you ever paid a bar fine? HAVE YOU? Why not answer if you are squeakyclean? Because you are not. I am not 'insinuating', I am sure. This is why the whole thing attracted your interest, you usually think yourself too enlightened to discuss mundane affairs. Because of people like you things remain as they are. You may not be doing it now, but you have done, and saw nothing wrong with that, you pathetic excuse of a man. And now you talk of defamation? Sue me, 'enlightened' Satchitananda. Your online name means 'Truth, Consciousness, Bliss'... you are none of that, faker. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 22:17:19 GMT -5
Now that I reread and have the players straight... Jeds personality always irked me, not what he said or wrote about but more in how he would emphasize certain things. Maybe someone else picked up on it too. Or maybe not. I wouldn't be overly shocked if these accusations turned out to be true, I don't believe enlightenment grants one immunity from the human condition. If it's all true and we combine that with the fact that these books came from that particular mind, well that's begs many questions. These are not mere accusations. You are correct, enlightenment doesn't grant immunity from Human Condition, and it changes nothing. This is why the question of 'what are you really?' is the most urgent one. I've found the answer regarding Jed's. It was crushing, even though I began to suspect more than a year ago. |
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