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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 17:00:42 GMT -5
You can do anything, but there is nothing that you must do. You exist but there is no place that you are. There is no god, but god is everywhere and in all things You are of god, but god is not off you...but really you are making god in the knowing of god Be alert, and alertly surrender. Search deep within yourself, then let go of what you find.Create the world you want with focus, feeling, and gratitude, but live unattached to it. Look lightly but deeply, and forget what you come to know from it. Become un-familiar with all that is familiar, but don't lose intimacy with anything. Know your power, but don't cling to it. Live to die, die to live. Fight to Surrender. Be alert. Love. Why would you let go of what you find deep within yourself? |
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Post by steven777 on Apr 8, 2017 17:19:40 GMT -5
You can do anything, but there is nothing that you must do. You exist but there is no place that you are. There is no god, but god is everywhere and in all things You are of god, but god is not off you...but really you are making god in the knowing of god Be alert, and alertly surrender. Search deep within yourself, then let go of what you find.Create the world you want with focus, feeling, and gratitude, but live unattached to it. Look lightly but deeply, and forget what you come to know from it. Become un-familiar with all that is familiar, but don't lose intimacy with anything. Know your power, but don't cling to it. Live to die, die to live. Fight to Surrender. Be alert. Love. Why would you let go of what you find deep within yourself? Because what most people seek on this path cannot be found there, but one must still tread that path...the path through yourself, and all that is uncovered along the way will get you closer...but ultimately everything you know has to be released for one to get a real glimpse at one's most essential nature....what many call the true self. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 17:30:57 GMT -5
Why would you let go of what you find deep within yourself? Because what most people seek on this path cannot be found there, but one must still tread that path...the path through yourself, and all that is uncovered along the way will get you closer...but ultimately everything you know has to be released. The truth of your being can't be found anywhere other than deep within yourself. Perhaps you mean to say that the finder is what is then released. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 8, 2017 17:36:21 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread. I would love to see people expand upon it with more than one sentence. I think it goes to the heart of what this forum is about. Yes, Xiao requested a one-sentence summary, but the issue of practice is an interesting one. Most Zen people continue to practice zazen even after SR, though perhaps not as intensively. For them, it eventually becomes more of a common daily activity rather than a "practice" oriented towards any attainment. One of the clearest human beings I ever met, Zen Master Seung Sahn, continued to do all kinds of practice-like activities throughout his life. Not only did he sit zazen regularly, and do chanting every morning (the Heart Sutra, the bell chant, etc), but he also did other things that struck his students as unusual. At 4:30 each morning, students in his korean Zen tradition would do 108 full prostration bows before sitting zazen. One of his students told me that at one time they were staying at a hotel in some big city (ZMSS regularly travelled all over the world visiting Zen Centers, shrines, and monasteries), and at 2AM in the morning the students heard all kinds of loud noises coming from ZMSS's room. They timidly knocked on his door to find out if there was some problem, and ZMSS opened the door wearing only his underwear. Sweat was pouring off his body and he looked like he had been running a marathon. The oldest student asked him if everything was okay. ZMSS looked irritated at having been interrupted and replied, "Everything fine. No problem. Only doing necessary." He then shut the door and the loud noises continued. His students weren't sure, but they assumed that he had been doing full prostration bows for over an hour at that point, and the noises continued for another hour. Apparently he sometimes felt like doing that sort of thing. For anyone who has never done full prostration bows very rapidly, it takes enormous energy and is incredibly demanding on the quadriceps. The first time I did 108 prostration bows, I could barely walk afterwards. LOL For 15 years after this body/mind's search for truth came to an end in 1999, attention turned to more mundane activities (like getting out of debt--haha), and meditative activities were almost non-existent. During the last two years, however, there has been increasing amounts of time spent doing ATA-T (I love watching sunsets, animals, and big thunderstorms) and even a periodic return to breath awareness exercises from 30 years ago. How THIS manifests can be incredibly fascinating. |
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Post by steven777 on Apr 8, 2017 17:49:48 GMT -5
Because what most people seek on this path cannot be found there, but one must still tread that path...the path through yourself, and all that is uncovered along the way will get you closer...but ultimately everything you know has to be released. The truth of your being can't be found anywhere other than deep within yourself. Perhaps you mean to say that the finder is what is then released. Whats left when there is no finder? And is it inside or out? Also, how does one lose the finder while clinging to what is found? |
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Post by steven777 on Apr 8, 2017 17:54:00 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread. I would love to see people expand upon it with more than one sentence. I think it goes to the heart of what this forum is about. Yes, Xiao requested a one-sentence summary, but the issue of practice is an interesting one. Most Zen people continue to practice zazen even after SR, though perhaps not as intensively. For them, it eventually becomes more of a common daily activity rather than a "practice" oriented towards any attainment. One of the clearest human beings I ever met, Zen Master Seung Sahn, continued to do all kinds of practice-like activities throughout his life. Not only did he sit zazen regularly, and do chanting every morning (the Heart Sutra, the bell chant, etc), but he also did other things that struck his students as unusual. At 4:30 each morning, students in his korean Zen tradition would do 108 full prostration bows before sitting zazen. One of his students told me that at one time they were staying at a hotel in some big city (ZMSS regularly travelled all over the world visiting Zen Centers, shrines, and monasteries), and at 2AM in the morning the students heard all kinds of loud noises coming from ZMSS's room. They timidly knocked on his door to find out if there was some problem, and ZMSS opened the door wearing only his underwear. Sweat was pouring off his body and he looked like he had been running a marathon. The oldest student asked him if everything was okay. ZMSS looked irritated at having been interrupted and replied, "Everything fine. No problem. Only doing necessary." He then shut the door and the loud noises continued. His students weren't sure, but they assumed that he had been doing full prostration bows for over an hour at that point, and the noises continued for another hour. Apparently he sometimes felt like doing that sort of thing. For anyone who has never done full prostration bows very rapidly, it takes enormous energy and is incredibly demanding on the quadriceps. The first time I did 108 prostration bows, I could barely walk afterwards. LOL For 15 years after this body/mind's search for truth came to an end in 1999, attention turned to more mundane activities (like getting out of debt--haha), and meditative activities were almost non-existent. During the last two years, however, there has been increasing amounts of time spent doing ATA-T (I love watching sunsets, animals, and big thunderstorms) and even a periodic return to breath awareness exercises from 30 years ago. How THIS manifests can be incredibly fascinating. It IS fascinating. My 'practice' these days seems to not be much more than being conciously grateful and focussing attention on the Universal Sound as we have described it here so often. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 17:59:32 GMT -5
The truth of your being can't be found anywhere other than deep within yourself. Perhaps you mean to say that the finder is what is then released. What's left when there is no finder? And is it inside or out? Also, how does one lose the finder while clinging to what is found? **wipes nose with index finger of right hand and lifts up keyboard** Your second question doesn't make any sense. What was doing the clinging was the finder. |
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Post by steven777 on Apr 8, 2017 18:40:21 GMT -5
What's left when there is no finder? And is it inside or out? Also, how does one lose the finder while clinging to what is found? **wipes nose with index finger of right hand and lifts up keyboard** Your second question doesn't make any sense. What was doing the clinging was the finder. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? lol |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 18:49:25 GMT -5
**wipes nose with index finger of right hand and lifts up keyboard** Your second question doesn't make any sense. What was doing the clinging was the finder. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? lol **Looks, taps lip with index finger of right hand.. and..** Well, there's no and. Tricked ya!! |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 8, 2017 19:01:29 GMT -5
...okay, what's happening?
I am Unborn.
Who/what am I?
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Post by zendancer on Apr 8, 2017 20:29:08 GMT -5
...okay, what's happening? I am Unborn. Who/what am I? This is what each human must discover for him/herself. Niz said, "I am THAT," but this statement will never be fully understood until one discovers what Niz was pointing to with the word "THAT." |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 9, 2017 9:11:55 GMT -5
...okay, what's happening? I am Unborn. Who/what am I? This is what each human must discover for him/herself. Niz said, "I am THAT," but this statement will never be fully understood until one discovers what Niz was pointing to with the word "THAT." Gary Weber helped open my mind to the value of a pointer that appears like an affirmation. Seems like Niz's teacher I am THAT is in that line. Like I am Unborn. It's a contemplation. THAT is a positive angle, whereas Unborn is negative approach. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 9, 2017 9:46:00 GMT -5
This is what each human must discover for him/herself. Niz said, "I am THAT," but this statement will never be fully understood until one discovers what Niz was pointing to with the word "THAT." Gary Weber helped open my mind to the value of a pointer that appears like an affirmation. Seems like Niz's teacher I am THAT is in that line. Like I am Unborn. It's a contemplation. THAT is a positive angle, whereas Unborn is negative approach. Actually, either approach may entail some neuro-linguistic reprogramming. Thinking, "THIS enjoys drinking coffee" (while coffee is being drunk), or "THIS is walking down the street looking at cars driving by" (while doing that), or "The Unborn is watching this sunset," can shift a human's perspective into witnessing awareness and away from self-referentiality. This kind of approach can have the effect of moving the sense of awareness "back." It's another way of putting everything seen "out front," and giving a tangible sense that what one is is something "behind" the ordinary sense of selfhood that sees thoughts about selfhood. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 9, 2017 13:40:00 GMT -5
Gary Weber helped open my mind to the value of a pointer that appears like an affirmation. Seems like Niz's teacher I am THAT is in that line. Like I am Unborn. It's a contemplation. THAT is a positive angle, whereas Unborn is negative approach. Actually, either approach may entail some neuro-linguistic reprogramming. Thinking, "THIS enjoys drinking coffee" (while coffee is being drunk), or "THIS is walking down the street looking at cars driving by" (while doing that), or "The Unborn is watching this sunset," can shift a human's perspective into witnessing awareness and away from self-referentiality. This kind of approach can have the effect of moving the sense of awareness "back." It's another way of putting everything seen "out front," and giving a tangible sense that what one is is something "behind" the ordinary sense of selfhood that sees thoughts about selfhood. THIS is typing. -- good idea! |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 9, 2017 13:41:34 GMT -5
Duh moment #2,345,321
Do the Next Thing 100% = 'wash your bowl'
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