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Post by steven777 on Dec 13, 2016 1:19:27 GMT -5
Thats imaginable...try again ;-) The Absolute now I understand  You understand too much....and that answer is imaginable....try again, with alertness and attention....contemplate it deeply and alertly Imagine the unimaginable...do it right now ;-) with extreme focus and alertness! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 1:22:46 GMT -5
The Absolute now I understand You understand too much....and that answer is imaginable....try again, with alertness and attention....contemplate it deeply and alertly Imagine the unimaginable...do it right now ;-) with extreme focus and alertness! I don't know! is that it not knowing? how can I imagine that which is not unimaginable? IOW's the unimaginable can not be imagined? |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 13, 2016 1:37:40 GMT -5
You understand too much....and that answer is imaginable....try again, with alertness and attention....contemplate it deeply and alertly Imagine the unimaginable...do it right now ;-) with extreme focus and alertness! I don't know! is that it not knowing? how can I imagine that which is not unimaginable? As ZD said...some koans can only be answered with the body, no words will do lol The answer is sometimes in the effort, in the doing. Even the unimaginable is imaginable...contemplate beyond imagination with your entire being, your entire presence. Saying "I don't know" is a finger pointing to the moon...with this koan, one must drop the pointing and GO to the moon, and from there, show others the way. Try again with the not knowing mind to imagine the unimaginable, and in the act you will find the real beauty of this koan :-) |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 13, 2016 1:39:24 GMT -5
You understand too much....and that answer is imaginable....try again, with alertness and attention....contemplate it deeply and alertly Imagine the unimaginable...do it right now ;-) with extreme focus and alertness! I don't know! is that it not knowing? how can I imagine that which is not unimaginable? IOW's the unimaginable can not be imagined? Can you find that with action, not intellect? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 1:43:42 GMT -5
I don't know! is that it not knowing? how can I imagine that which is not unimaginable? IOW's the unimaginable can not be imagined? Can you find that with action, not intellect? not yet I'm lost but getting late here please don't tell me I will give it a go with a fresh mind Manna |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 1:47:07 GMT -5
Freedom?
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Post by steven777 on Dec 13, 2016 1:49:04 GMT -5
Can you find that with action, not intellect? not yet I'm lost but getting late here please don't tell me I will give it a go with a fresh mind Manna sleep well my friend, but a word of parting advice, when you return to this koan, leave your fresh mind behind. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 1:49:09 GMT -5
I don't know! is that it not knowing? how can I imagine that which is not unimaginable? IOW's the unimaginable can not be imagined? Can you find that with action, not intellect? absolute truth is not imaginable |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 13, 2016 1:53:00 GMT -5
Can you find that with action, not intellect? absolute truth is not imaginable Absolute Truth... Is it Absolute? Is it Truth? These are imaginable imagine the unimaginable with great focus and alertness, be as steady in it as the root of a mountain Try again |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 1:55:59 GMT -5
absolute truth is not imaginable is it absolute? is it Truth? These are imaginable imagine the unimaginable with great focus and alertness, be steady in it as a a rock in the center of a deeply rooted mountain Yeah well when I do that and being centered and not knowing I just come up with What Is IOW's What Is in this moment is What IS nite |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 1:56:15 GMT -5
This question is very interesting. Will you tell me what's the answer?   |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 13, 2016 1:58:09 GMT -5
is it absolute? is it Truth? These are imaginable imagine the unimaginable with great focus and alertness, be steady in it as a a rock in the center of a deeply rooted mountain Yeah well when I do that and being centered and not knowing I just come up with What Is IOW's What Is in this moment is What IS nite come up with less lol...nite bro |
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Post by wei sa on Dec 13, 2016 3:09:54 GMT -5
I don't know! is that it not knowing? how can I imagine that which is not unimaginable? IOW's the unimaginable can not be imagined? Can you find that with action, not intellect? I think it hasn't been stressed enough in this thread that many koans, or in my limited experience most koans are answered wordlessly by physical action such as gesturing, pantomiming etc. One can get stuck in trying to figure out something to say / some conceptual answer before this has really been internalised, and I think this accounts for some of awakesowhat's struggle. After that is clear it is much easier to get into the groove. So I would recommend that anyone who wants to try to solve some of the other koans in this thread (e.g. awakesowhat), first discovers the correct answer to either of these two koans posted earlier by Zendancer: 1. Set an apple on a table in front of you, and contemplate the question, "What is that, really?" Hint: the answer is not "an apple." 2. How can you greet an enlightened woman if you meet her on the path with neither words nor silence? Oh, and a couple of months ago I started this thread titled " koan contemplation" that contains some further hints/pointers. |
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Post by wei sa on Dec 13, 2016 3:20:47 GMT -5
And just throwing two more out there. Neither of them is a formal koan, the first one I just made up, the second one is a pretty common existential question. Maybe Steven or ZD can comment on whether they can be considered as koans, or if they could be reformulated into better koans?
When you go to a restaurant, how do you decide what to order?
If the universe/God is benign, why is there so much suffering in the world?
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Post by Peter on Dec 13, 2016 4:47:24 GMT -5
When you go to a restaurant, how do you decide what to order? I eat everything on the menu and order whichever dish I liked most. Unless it's too expensive. If the universe/God is benign, why is there so much suffering in the world? Your premise is faulty. |
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