Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 13:31:37 GMT -5
Because it's informing the mind what not to do? That might be part of it, but I would also say that the overall process changes our values and priorities. I think most folks have a genuine conditioned interest in the drama of success and failure, winning and losing, ups and downs, and there is often great attachment to this drama. In the seeking process, our values and priorities are re-orientated, and the former conditioned interest is burned off, as many interests are, after a while of pursuing them intensely. The process basically changes us, just as any intense process does. Some folks go off to war and come back changed, others pursue SR and come back changed. Have you been enjoying the balmy temperatures these last few days, now that the rain has come again? |
|
|
|
Post by andrew on May 7, 2016 13:38:10 GMT -5
lol yeah, I know going in the second time that it's gonna be tough! Might have to down a bottle of pepsi before hand. What the director captured in the scenes when Keaton is walking from the theater to the bar and in the halls of the theater is the hard, frenetic, closeness of Manhattan.  Cool. Can't say I've spent a huge amount of time in Manhatten, but despite that hard, frenetic, closeness...I was struck by a community type energy that comes from the closeness, not one in which folks are looking after each other as such, but a sort of....shared understanding or energy or something like that. I liked it. |
|
|
|
Post by andrew on May 7, 2016 13:40:36 GMT -5
That might be part of it, but I would also say that the overall process changes our values and priorities. I think most folks have a genuine conditioned interest in the drama of success and failure, winning and losing, ups and downs, and there is often great attachment to this drama. In the seeking process, our values and priorities are re-orientated, and the former conditioned interest is burned off, as many interests are, after a while of pursuing them intensely. The process basically changes us, just as any intense process does. Some folks go off to war and come back changed, others pursue SR and come back changed. Have you been enjoying the balmy temperatures these last few days, now that the rain has come again? Been in Scotland for the last couple of weeks, it's not been anywhere near as warm as further south, but still pleasant enough to wear a t-shirt which is nice after months of double-layers. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 14:24:26 GMT -5
Have you been enjoying the balmy temperatures these last few days, now that the rain has come again? Been in Scotland for the last couple of weeks, it's not been anywhere near as warm as further south, but still pleasant enough to wear a t-shirt which is nice after months of double-layers. T-shirts are good. Ever wear baseball boots? |
|
|
|
Post by andrew on May 7, 2016 14:59:40 GMT -5
Been in Scotland for the last couple of weeks, it's not been anywhere near as warm as further south, but still pleasant enough to wear a t-shirt which is nice after months of double-layers. T-shirts are good. Ever wear baseball boots? not specifically baseball boots, but in the right context, I would (I'm thinking...dancing in muddy fields). |
|
|
|
Post by zin on May 7, 2016 18:05:39 GMT -5
What's your point? How about quoting my whole post. Then you'll have an answer. This is contextual fraud. The whole point is about surrender which you haven't included in my quote. you say??   I answer your complaint with a general denial and counterclaim slander!   (the one on the left smiles very funnily!) |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on May 7, 2016 19:01:25 GMT -5
All I've been saying is one is not responsible. Then you brought being held accountable into the discussion. Then you morphed into 'held responsible'. Then you denied ever bringing it up and dumped it in my back yard. Yes I originally brought 'being held responsible' into the mix .. so what? I haven't denied it, I spoke to you about being held responsible in a few posts and gave clear examples of what I mean't by it . One is held responsible for one's self .. I have explained this 'being held' aspect to you .. I am not sure why it has caused you digestion problems . Can't you see that being held responsible for your own actions is just saying that one is responsible for one's actions? When a peep understands that no-one else is to blame for how they feel for example then one holds themselves responsible for how they feel . sorry, but again, it just sounds like arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm not sure what the issue is anymore. |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on May 7, 2016 19:07:39 GMT -5
No, at some point I realized it was the truth. yes, the same way that a born again Christians realizes that God is the Truth. I'm not saying your wrong about Oneness, but it's not 'the truth', it's just what you know/believe to be true. Same as me to be clear. So it's only a broader context than 'responsibility' IF it is true. IF it is true, (it is) then it's a broader context that donald trumps the smaller context of responsibility, which isn't really true. |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on May 7, 2016 19:11:38 GMT -5
Suffering may or may not be the impetus for your assassinated version of seeking. I'm not following you there, but I see you have underlined that bit, so I'll expand. Seeking isn't suffering, but what a seeker of enlightenment is often told, is that seeking IS suffering. So then a seeker seeks to stop seeking and they suffer because they are in an argument with the nature of the organism. Seeking happens and is non-problematic, but attachment to the outcome OF seeking is likely to cause suffering. I'm saying the 'cause' of seeking is often suffering, so I wouldn't say there's no suffering in seeking. |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on May 7, 2016 19:16:48 GMT -5
It's ironic that the functions we don't want to pay attention to are called involuntary. You'd figure at least one or two peeps would want to volunteer to have a heartbeat every now and then.  It's actually the same way one feels victimized by a monkey mind that is just following one's interest in the thoughts. It becomes an 'involuntary' mind. |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on May 7, 2016 19:19:51 GMT -5
Suffering may or may not be the impetus for your assassinated version of seeking. As in he'll suffer for as long as there's this idea that seeking can end?  That idea is too far down the bunny hole for me to deal with. |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on May 7, 2016 19:24:43 GMT -5
The key to realizing you have concluded something from you experience is noticing when you start drawing conclusions from your experience. You are very adamant to protect your view, so I will let you to continue to do so! Wrong conclusion. There's another reason you experienced me saying that to you, and it has nothing to do with 'my views'. |
|
|
|
Post by laughter on May 7, 2016 21:03:47 GMT -5
As in he'll suffer for as long as there's this idea that seeking can end? That idea is too far down the bunny hole for me to deal with.  |
|
|
|
Post by laughter on May 7, 2016 21:05:35 GMT -5
You'd figure at least one or two peeps would want to volunteer to have a heartbeat every now and then. It's actually the same way one feels victimized by a monkey mind that is just following one's interest in the thoughts. It becomes an 'involuntary' mind. Or the way one feels in a dissatisfying relationship or a job they don't like. I got familiar with the idea of a "default mode network" from causally reading watching Gary Weber. The default mode is split mind. |
|
|
|
Post by lolly on May 7, 2016 21:12:42 GMT -5
Yes I originally brought 'being held responsible' into the mix .. so what? I haven't denied it, I spoke to you about being held responsible in a few posts and gave clear examples of what I mean't by it . One is held responsible for one's self .. I have explained this 'being held' aspect to you .. I am not sure why it has caused you digestion problems . Can't you see that being held responsible for your own actions is just saying that one is responsible for one's actions? When a peep understands that no-one else is to blame for how they feel for example then one holds themselves responsible for how they feel . sorry, but again, it just sounds like arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm not sure what the issue is anymore. Really? It sounds like a perfectly viable explanation to me. Issue is how we frame 'responsibility' in order to give it meaning. For example, I'm sure "I wish people would take responsibility for what they think", was in some way a meaningful statement. |
|
