Seth (QUOTES & DISCUSSION)

[Reefs]

Jun 26, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5 preciocho said:

You could say I am into the use of 'telepathy', and that telepathy is nothing more than energy travelling along path of least resistance.

Seth talks a lot about telepathy, too. And the fact that something like telepathy actually exists sorta blows the popular 'what you've got here is all just words on a screen' excuse out of the water.

Jun 26, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5 preciocho said:

So I am now reconciling the ideas of cloaking and reincarnation, in the name of truth and not in furtherance of any line or lineage.  In some ways I feel as if the reverse compartmentalization process leads the human form to be cloaked by the Holy Spirit, a conglomeration of spiritual energy from Jung's collective unconscious.  In my case, I feel Maharaj is a very large part of my spiritual DNA, and that whatever his remaining desires were have 'reincarnated' through my life sequencing due to path of least resistance.  My middle name is actually Ernest, and we all know how Niz felt about earnestness.  I do not in any way believe I am the reincarnated soul of Maharaj, and I feel myself being more and more drawn to dispensing with the idea of the human soul entirely, breaking it down into spirit and soul complex, and the math and aftermath of reverse compartmentalizing or eradicating identification to help people who aren't into the staying unconscious stuff.

Well, Seth and Jane and Robert are all aspects of one and the same entity. So in that context, maybe that's similar to what's going on with you and Niz.

Here's a Seth quote for you about secondary personality. I think it's somewhat relevant to the cloaking theory:

Seth: It is from this layer [3rd subconscious level] that so-called secondary personalities may sometimes arise, usually due to one of the psychic earthquakes mentioned earlier. As earthquakes cause lava to boil up seemingly from the center of the earth, so do some secondary personalities in their explosive emersion bring with them debris from other levels of the subconscious, often personifying themselves in the guise of those buried and frightening fears that have, until then, found no vehicle for expression. It is also possible that these secondary personalities, emerging, give access to buried abilities and benign constructive abilities which had been buried beneath heavier fears that weighed them down. The beneficial or detrimental effect of the emergence of secondary personalities must and may be judged by its effect for good or bad on the dominant personality, for in your existence the dominant personality is necessary and must be maintained in an authoritative position, to deal with the physical world.

This phenomena is more common however than you would suppose, though unfortunately in many cases the secondary personality gives personification to buried fears and fantasies that are unhealthy to the dominant personality. Not only this, but because they are released by a psychic earthquake they emerge forcibly and sometimes with more vigor than the present personality can handle, so that they are in a position to dictate terms to the dominant personality. The secondary personalities in such cases are, you see, of a whole, composed of powerful unified subconscious forces long denied outlet where the dominant personality, or the personality so far dominant, has long been holding the fort, and is set upon by those diverse divisions imposed upon it by society and environment. (Session 88)

Seth: If it were understood that the areas of the subconscious are indeed populated by many and various subpersonalities, then they [scientists] would not wonder that the human body is sometimes so besieged with ailments, or that the dominant personality so often appears in contradictory terms. The subconscious is not a cellar piled high with explosives, rocking at the foundations of the ego. The subconscious contains a collection of diverse, varied and vital personalities who represent the losers when the time arrived to send one of them to the topmost level, or to the surface of the self. The choice was made and is always made by the inner ego, who does this appointing according to his knowledge, or its knowledge, of the personality’s qualities. Any of these subconscious personalities could have learned in some fashion to cope with the outside world as well as the present dominant ego, but for various reasons of inner development they could not be so trusted. (Session 119)

Jun 26, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5 preciocho said:

And thank you too Reefs.  You're a true treat here on the forum.  I'm happy you took over as moderator.

Nice. Good to hear.

[preciocho]

Jun 30, 2017 0:23:08 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Jun 26, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5 preciocho said:

You could say I am into the use of 'telepathy', and that telepathy is nothing more than energy travelling along path of least resistance.

Seth talks a lot about telepathy, too. And the fact that something like telepathy actually exists sorta blows the popular 'what you've got here is all just words on a screen' excuse out of the water.

Jun 26, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5 preciocho said:

So I am now reconciling the ideas of cloaking and reincarnation, in the name of truth and not in furtherance of any line or lineage.  In some ways I feel as if the reverse compartmentalization process leads the human form to be cloaked by the Holy Spirit, a conglomeration of spiritual energy from Jung's collective unconscious.  In my case, I feel Maharaj is a very large part of my spiritual DNA, and that whatever his remaining desires were have 'reincarnated' through my life sequencing due to path of least resistance.  My middle name is actually Ernest, and we all know how Niz felt about earnestness.  I do not in any way believe I am the reincarnated soul of Maharaj, and I feel myself being more and more drawn to dispensing with the idea of the human soul entirely, breaking it down into spirit and soul complex, and the math and aftermath of reverse compartmentalizing or eradicating identification to help people who aren't into the staying unconscious stuff.

Well, Seth and Jane and Robert are all aspects of one and the same entity. So in that context, maybe that's similar to what's going on with you and Niz.

Here's a Seth quote for you about secondary personality. I think it's somewhat relevant to the cloaking theory:

Seth: It is from this layer [3rd subconscious level] that so-called secondary personalities may sometimes arise, usually due to one of the psychic earthquakes mentioned earlier. As earthquakes cause lava to boil up seemingly from the center of the earth, so do some secondary personalities in their explosive emersion bring with them debris from other levels of the subconscious, often personifying themselves in the guise of those buried and frightening fears that have, until then, found no vehicle for expression. It is also possible that these secondary personalities, emerging, give access to buried abilities and benign constructive abilities which had been buried beneath heavier fears that weighed them down. The beneficial or detrimental effect of the emergence of secondary personalities must and may be judged by its effect for good or bad on the dominant personality, for in your existence the dominant personality is necessary and must be maintained in an authoritative position, to deal with the physical world.

This phenomena is more common however than you would suppose, though unfortunately in many cases the secondary personality gives personification to buried fears and fantasies that are unhealthy to the dominant personality. Not only this, but because they are released by a psychic earthquake they emerge forcibly and sometimes with more vigor than the present personality can handle, so that they are in a position to dictate terms to the dominant personality. The secondary personalities in such cases are, you see, of a whole, composed of powerful unified subconscious forces long denied outlet where the dominant personality, or the personality so far dominant, has long been holding the fort, and is set upon by those diverse divisions imposed upon it by society and environment. (Session 88)

Seth: If it were understood that the areas of the subconscious are indeed populated by many and various subpersonalities, then they [scientists] would not wonder that the human body is sometimes so besieged with ailments, or that the dominant personality so often appears in contradictory terms. The subconscious is not a cellar piled high with explosives, rocking at the foundations of the ego. The subconscious contains a collection of diverse, varied and vital personalities who represent the losers when the time arrived to send one of them to the topmost level, or to the surface of the self. The choice was made and is always made by the inner ego, who does this appointing according to his knowledge, or its knowledge, of the personality’s qualities. Any of these subconscious personalities could have learned in some fashion to cope with the outside world as well as the present dominant ego, but for various reasons of inner development they could not be so trusted. (Session 119)

Jun 26, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5 preciocho said:

And thank you too Reefs.  You're a true treat here on the forum.  I'm happy you took over as moderator.

Nice. Good to hear.

That sounds pretty good.  

On physical ailments, something I've experienced a few times is the reverse engineering of an injury.  For example, I have a jacked up right ankle that I've sprained numerous times that was never allowed to heal.  About a month ago I was lying in bed, and the ankle unsprained itself, in a reverse spasm, as if the spirit that was holding the sprain in place was no longer present.  

Apart from that, Seth is pretty on point with the personalities.  The dominant personality is intricately tied in with the facade.  Those who experience rapid facade growth are more likely to experience an earthquake, and this is when the spirit world comes to life through the individual.  The spirit world is in vibrational escrow, or tied into the DNA footprint of the individual mind.  So that once the facade is no longer 'there' to wall off the world of spirit, the world of spirit comes to this world, and becomes the individual through a cloak.

While this cloak can seem foreign to the individual, it is the very energy which the facade is designed to wall against.  

With Maharaj, what I saw was the complete repression of the dominant personality due to shoddy masonry work on the facade, a newly structured facade around the idea of being awareness (the I Am), and a mind wide open to suggestion and spiritual influence.  I spiritually cloned myself through a Maharaj program.  This spiritual clone (particularly the facade) had DNA building blocks to mirror the emotional injuries I was not conscious enough to deal with prior to that point.  Then, I took an axe to the I Am, and from that point the universe became conscious of itself through facade eradication along pattern of events to mirror unhealed injuries and trauma.  This is a pretty cool place we inhabit here.

As far as secondary personalities, I would call these mirror reflections of compartmentalized energy pockets, compensations if you will.  How many teenagers have one personality at school and then come home to the family in a completely different personality?  I've had so many different identities, I don't even remember who I am anymore.

Anyway, cloaking from spiritual DNA can only happen through repression and compartmentalization.  The issue folks will encounter is seeing that the facade the mind constructs to deal with life is comprised of the energy folks fear the most.  So, becoming conscious of cloaks can make it seem like something is going horribly wrong, but in truth the way to freedom is through taking the facade by the head, putting it in one of those french fryers, and sizzling it down to the bone.  Everything else is costume jewelry and head hole masturbation.

Of course universal alignment is only possible through the sizzle.  We goin Sizzler, we goin Sizzler!

[zin]

Jun 30, 2017 0:23:08 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Jun 26, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5 preciocho said:

So I am now reconciling the ideas of cloaking and reincarnation, in the name of truth and not in furtherance of any line or lineage.  In some ways I feel as if the reverse compartmentalization process leads the human form to be cloaked by the Holy Spirit, a conglomeration of spiritual energy from Jung's collective unconscious.  In my case, I feel Maharaj is a very large part of my spiritual DNA, and that whatever his remaining desires were have 'reincarnated' through my life sequencing due to path of least resistance.  My middle name is actually Ernest, and we all know how Niz felt about earnestness.  I do not in any way believe I am the reincarnated soul of Maharaj, and I feel myself being more and more drawn to dispensing with the idea of the human soul entirely, breaking it down into spirit and soul complex, and the math and aftermath of reverse compartmentalizing or eradicating identification to help people who aren't into the staying unconscious stuff.

Well, Seth and Jane and Robert are all aspects of one and the same entity. So in that context, maybe that's similar to what's going on with you and Niz.

Here's a Seth quote for you about secondary personality. I think it's somewhat relevant to the cloaking theory:

Seth: It is from this layer [3rd subconscious level] that so-called secondary personalities may sometimes arise, usually due to one of the psychic earthquakes mentioned earlier. As earthquakes cause lava to boil up seemingly from the center of the earth, so do some secondary personalities in their explosive emersion bring with them debris from other levels of the subconscious, often personifying themselves in the guise of those buried and frightening fears that have, until then, found no vehicle for expression. It is also possible that these secondary personalities, emerging, give access to buried abilities and benign constructive abilities which had been buried beneath heavier fears that weighed them down. The beneficial or detrimental effect of the emergence of secondary personalities must and may be judged by its effect for good or bad on the dominant personality, for in your existence the dominant personality is necessary and must be maintained in an authoritative position, to deal with the physical world.

This phenomena is more common however than you would suppose, though unfortunately in many cases the secondary personality gives personification to buried fears and fantasies that are unhealthy to the dominant personality. Not only this, but because they are released by a psychic earthquake they emerge forcibly and sometimes with more vigor than the present personality can handle, so that they are in a position to dictate terms to the dominant personality. The secondary personalities in such cases are, you see, of a whole, composed of powerful unified subconscious forces long denied outlet where the dominant personality, or the personality so far dominant, has long been holding the fort, and is set upon by those diverse divisions imposed upon it by society and environment. (Session 88)

Seth: If it were understood that the areas of the subconscious are indeed populated by many and various subpersonalities, then they [scientists] would not wonder that the human body is sometimes so besieged with ailments, or that the dominant personality so often appears in contradictory terms. The subconscious is not a cellar piled high with explosives, rocking at the foundations of the ego. The subconscious contains a collection of diverse, varied and vital personalities who represent the losers when the time arrived to send one of them to the topmost level, or to the surface of the self. The choice was made and is always made by the inner ego, who does this appointing according to his knowledge, or its knowledge, of the personality’s qualities. Any of these subconscious personalities could have learned in some fashion to cope with the outside world as well as the present dominant ego, but for various reasons of inner development they could not be so trusted. (Session 119)

Re: the bolded... Don't they create a big tension? What immediately came to my mind is people who very much want to be parents but can't, due to health reasons (maybe they were not supposed to be, from the beginning?). Or some want certain vocations too much but it doesn't happen...

And then in spirituality I got used to hear the advice of weakening or erasing of personality but on the other hand now I hear that the dominant personality was chosen for a purpose (I say these in a good way!). This almost made me worried because I usually wander around in 'transcending the personality' airs! But I know I need to read more of Seth.

[Reefs]

Jun 30, 2017 10:11:54 GMT -5 preciocho said:

On physical ailments, something I've experienced a few times is the reverse engineering of an injury.  For example, I have a jacked up right ankle that I've sprained numerous times that was never allowed to heal.  About a month ago I was lying in bed, and the ankle unsprained itself, in a reverse spasm, as if the spirit that was holding the sprain in place was no longer present.  

Sounds more like you finally allowed the cells in your body to do their work.

Jun 30, 2017 10:11:54 GMT -5 preciocho said:

Apart from that, Seth is pretty on point with the personalities.  The dominant personality is intricately tied in with the facade.  Those who experience rapid facade growth are more likely to experience an earthquake, and this is when the spirit world comes to life through the individual.  The spirit world is in vibrational escrow, or tied into the DNA footprint of the individual mind.  So that once the facade is no longer 'there' to wall off the world of spirit, the world of spirit comes to this world, and becomes the individual through a cloak.

While this cloak can seem foreign to the individual, it is the very energy which the facade is designed to wall against.  

With Maharaj, what I saw was the complete repression of the dominant personality due to shoddy masonry work on the facade, a newly structured facade around the idea of being awareness (the I Am), and a mind wide open to suggestion and spiritual influence.  I spiritually cloned myself through a Maharaj program.  This spiritual clone (particularly the facade) had DNA building blocks to mirror the emotional injuries I was not conscious enough to deal with prior to that point.  Then, I took an axe to the I Am, and from that point the universe became conscious of itself through facade eradication along pattern of events to mirror unhealed injuries and trauma.  This is a pretty cool place we inhabit here.

As far as secondary personalities, I would call these mirror reflections of compartmentalized energy pockets, compensations if you will.  How many teenagers have one personality at school and then come home to the family in a completely different personality?  I've had so many different identities, I don't even remember who I am anymore.

Anyway, cloaking from spiritual DNA can only happen through repression and compartmentalization.  The issue folks will encounter is seeing that the facade the mind constructs to deal with life is comprised of the energy folks fear the most.  So, becoming conscious of cloaks can make it seem like something is going horribly wrong, but in truth the way to freedom is through taking the facade by the head, putting it in one of those french fryers, and sizzling it down to the bone.  Everything else is costume jewelry and head hole masturbation.

Of course universal alignment is only possible through the sizzle.  We goin Sizzler, we goin Sizzler!

Seth's vocabulary can be a little confusing at times. Personality in the way Seth uses the word, isn't how we usually use it, it's something much bigger and deeper. What you call facade and what Seth would call a front is what he calls the outer ego and it is supposed to work to the benefit of the entire personality (which is something multi-dimensional as opposed to the ego which is only one-dimensional). If the ego gets too rigid and threatens the integrity of that much larger personality, that's when the personality sends a new ego, which is more stable and more balanced, to the front. And so suddenly you have two 'ego systems' as he calls it. It's meant as a temporary measure only. Same with illnesses. Illnesses are all the result of resisting the free energy flow. Sometimes illness is a temporary countermeasure meant to prevent further damage to the personality as a whole and in that sense illness is a good thing. If it goes on too long, however, then its not. Seth has some interesting points on how illness can become an integral part of the personality and then it stays with it forever. So he says, the way to healing is to realize that you can live without the illness. May sound strange, but there's good reasoning behind it.

[Reefs]

Jun 30, 2017 19:32:48 GMT -5 zin said:

Jun 30, 2017 0:23:08 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Well, Seth and Jane and Robert are all aspects of one and the same entity. So in that context, maybe that's similar to what's going on with you and Niz.

Here's a Seth quote for you about secondary personality. I think it's somewhat relevant to the cloaking theory:

Re: the bolded... Don't they create a big tension? What immediately came to my mind is people who very much want to be parents but can't, due to health reasons (maybe they were not supposed to be, from the beginning?). Or some want certain vocations too much but it doesn't happen...

And then in spirituality I got used to hear the advice of weakening or erasing of personality but on the other hand now I hear that the dominant personality was chosen for a purpose (I say these in a good way!). This almost made me worried because I usually wander around in 'transcending the personality' airs! But I know I need to read more of Seth.

Sure, there's going to be a conflict. However, the secondary personality is just a hint from inner ego to the outer ego so to speak, to be less rigid and more open to the full potential of the personality. It's a temporary measure. But let's also not forget, that free will is always the case and that no personality is ever static, not even the ego, although the ego would like to have it all static. Jane and Robert didn't have children. Seth once said that's typical for those who have finished their reincarnation cycle. They don't create any attachments to the physical realm anymore.


Well, Seth teaches that nothing gets ever lost. The dreams you dream at night still go on when you awake. Seth says that everything which is physical has an electric counterpart on a different plane (he calls it the electric universe) that includes your physical environment like houses and trees, your body and even your emotions and thoughts and also your ego.

[Reefs]

Just wanted to share a Seth quote which makes my point I wanted to get across to Tenka regarding thriving and material success vs spirituality. He explains it really well (and sounds very much like A-H):

Seth: Buddhism does indeed come closer in essence to reality than other religions. However, the Buddhists either have not gone far enough, or have gone too far, according to your viewpoint. If they have gone too far, then they have been so concerned with inner reality that they have become too tolerant of physical disease and disasters. If they have not gone far enough, then they have not followed through sufficiently so that these physical disasters could truly be suffered without pain. They have the knowledge to a very large degree, but they have fallen short. It is one thing to realize that all physical matter is camouflage, and they know this. But this camouflage can be most disastrous if it is not manipulated correctly. You are in no position to ignore it. You are in a position to understand it and to use it.

It is all very well for monks to utilize astral projection. It is all very well for them to skitter through space as if they were on pogo sticks; their knowledge is fundamental and good. The fact remains that millions of human beings who follow and practice Buddhism are told, as many religions tell their followers, "Better worlds are to come, so ignore this agony, and this hunger, and this pain, and the murder in the streets. Be in ecstasy while your belly bloats." This is not human, and it is far less than godly.There is a unity and there is a joy and there is an exaltation in all aspects of life and consciousness. It is not to any religion's benefit that people starve. There is nothing wrong with using spiritual knowledge in practical manners.

Fulfillment, value fulfillment, implies fulfillment of all abilities and all potentials, including quite physical potentials. The fullest potentialities cannot be developed unless the physical aspects are also developed. Your job is to manipulate as well as you can within the physical universe, and to develop within it religious leaders of any denomination. Any leaders who restrict development along one level for the sake of development along other levels, betray their followers.

(Session 177)

[preciocho]

Jul 2, 2017 10:34:41 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Jun 30, 2017 10:11:54 GMT -5 preciocho said:

On physical ailments, something I've experienced a few times is the reverse engineering of an injury.  For example, I have a jacked up right ankle that I've sprained numerous times that was never allowed to heal.  About a month ago I was lying in bed, and the ankle unsprained itself, in a reverse spasm, as if the spirit that was holding the sprain in place was no longer present.  

Sounds more like you finally allowed the cells in your body to do their work.

Jun 30, 2017 10:11:54 GMT -5 preciocho said:

Apart from that, Seth is pretty on point with the personalities.  The dominant personality is intricately tied in with the facade.  Those who experience rapid facade growth are more likely to experience an earthquake, and this is when the spirit world comes to life through the individual.  The spirit world is in vibrational escrow, or tied into the DNA footprint of the individual mind.  So that once the facade is no longer 'there' to wall off the world of spirit, the world of spirit comes to this world, and becomes the individual through a cloak.

While this cloak can seem foreign to the individual, it is the very energy which the facade is designed to wall against.  

With Maharaj, what I saw was the complete repression of the dominant personality due to shoddy masonry work on the facade, a newly structured facade around the idea of being awareness (the I Am), and a mind wide open to suggestion and spiritual influence.  I spiritually cloned myself through a Maharaj program.  This spiritual clone (particularly the facade) had DNA building blocks to mirror the emotional injuries I was not conscious enough to deal with prior to that point.  Then, I took an axe to the I Am, and from that point the universe became conscious of itself through facade eradication along pattern of events to mirror unhealed injuries and trauma.  This is a pretty cool place we inhabit here.

As far as secondary personalities, I would call these mirror reflections of compartmentalized energy pockets, compensations if you will.  How many teenagers have one personality at school and then come home to the family in a completely different personality?  I've had so many different identities, I don't even remember who I am anymore.

Anyway, cloaking from spiritual DNA can only happen through repression and compartmentalization.  The issue folks will encounter is seeing that the facade the mind constructs to deal with life is comprised of the energy folks fear the most.  So, becoming conscious of cloaks can make it seem like something is going horribly wrong, but in truth the way to freedom is through taking the facade by the head, putting it in one of those french fryers, and sizzling it down to the bone.  Everything else is costume jewelry and head hole masturbation.

Of course universal alignment is only possible through the sizzle.  We goin Sizzler, we goin Sizzler!

Seth's vocabulary can be a little confusing at times. Personality in the way Seth uses the word, isn't how we usually use it, it's something much bigger and deeper. What you call facade and what Seth would call a front is what he calls the outer ego and it is supposed to work to the benefit of the entire personality (which is something multi-dimensional as opposed to the ego which is only one-dimensional). If the ego gets too rigid and threatens the integrity of that much larger personality, that's when the personality sends a new ego, which is more stable and more balanced, to the front. And so suddenly you have two 'ego systems' as he calls it. It's meant as a temporary measure only. Same with illnesses. Illnesses are all the result of resisting the free energy flow. Sometimes illness is a temporary countermeasure meant to prevent further damage to the personality as a whole and in that sense illness is a good thing. If it goes on too long, however, then its not. Seth has some interesting points on how illness can become an integral part of the personality and then it stays with it forever. So he says, the way to healing is to realize that you can live without the illness. May sound strange, but there's good reasoning behind it.

And there's really two movements we should break this down to, the outward movement of growth and expansion and the journey home of waking up.  

So, when Seth says the facade is constructed to benefit the entire personality, I agree that it is beneficial to the personality, in that the facade is constructed through the compensation mechanism.  The compensation mechanism is a function of mind that creates changes to the personality that compensate for perceived defects to the identity.  These defects are always associated with emotion, and it is the emotions which are compartmentalized vibrations (the personal unconscious). 

The facade becomes intertwined with the personality, and depending on how much compensation is needed to keep the personality at functional level with the collective engine, it doesn't always benefit the larger personality.  In fact, the very dynamics of its construction are the cause of feelings of misalignment (Albeit also a feeling of protection from the personal unconscious being compensated for).

Now if we take the personality to mean the individual as it is shaping and being shaped by the collective engine, then we have all sorts of fun contexts to discuss.  This is where cloaking comes in.  Cloaks can be incredibly dangerous.  I would say most folks who commit suicide for psychological reasons are cloaked in some way.  But I like the idea of a universal personality that is the natural expression of the individual, the universe expressing itself through the particular form.  And we could even say developing a universal personality is what becoming conscious really is, and then we would discuss how the facade inhibits development.

[zin]

Jul 2, 2017 10:45:28 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Jun 30, 2017 19:32:48 GMT -5 zin said:

Re: the bolded... Don't they create a big tension? What immediately came to my mind is people who very much want to be parents but can't, due to health reasons (maybe they were not supposed to be, from the beginning?). Or some want certain vocations too much but it doesn't happen...

And then in spirituality I got used to hear the advice of weakening or erasing of personality but on the other hand now I hear that the dominant personality was chosen for a purpose (I say these in a good way!). This almost made me worried because I usually wander around in 'transcending the personality' airs! But I know I need to read more of Seth.

Sure, there's going to be a conflict. However, the secondary personality is just a hint from inner ego to the outer ego so to speak, to be less rigid and more open to the full potential of the personality. It's a temporary measure. But let's also not forget, that free will is always the case and that no personality is ever static, not even the ego, although the ego would like to have it all static. Jane and Robert didn't have children. Seth once said that's typical for those who have finished their reincarnation cycle. They don't create any attachments to the physical realm anymore.


Well, Seth teaches that nothing gets ever lost. The dreams you dream at night still go on when you awake. Seth says that everything which is physical has an electric counterpart on a different plane (he calls it the electric universe) that includes your physical environment like houses and trees, your body and even your emotions and thoughts and also your ego.

Ok, 'temporary measure' explanation lightens the issue for me. I understand the typically not having children, too. Some questions come to my mind, like what about the families of prophets : ) Their parents, their children.. But 'Entity' must be a big concept - maybe I will come across something about these there. (and I don't know what he says on such influential figures of history)

I got curious about the 'electric universe'! I searched it in The Nature of Personal Reality but didn't find it there. Can you tell where it is explained most? That may be my second book. The below is what sounds related:

"It might help if you imagine an inner living dimension within yourself in which you create, in miniature psychic form, all the exterior conditions that you know. Simply put, you do exactly this. Your thoughts, feelings and mental pictures can be called incipient exterior events, for in one way or another each of these is materialized into physical reality."

[Reefs]

Jul 3, 2017 19:18:59 GMT -5 zin said:

Ok, 'temporary measure' explanation lightens the issue for me. I understand the typically not having children, too. Some questions come to my mind, like what about the families of prophets : ) Their parents, their children.. But 'Entity' must be a big concept - maybe I will come across something about these there. (and I don't know what he says on such influential figures of history)

As a general rule, entities send forth personalities. But in some cases, personalities can also become entities. According to Seth, that's Jane's and Robert's path. Reincarnation is a very complex topic. There are many possible scenarios. Here's a quote:

Seth: Now if there is good communication between the self, that is the inner self and the outer ego, then the ego begins to understand what it is, and also to realize that it has greater capacities than it can realize by continued reincarnations, upon one plane. If the ego is exceptional it may take one of two courses.It may choose to return to the same plane as a great originator, using knowledge that it receives from the inner self to make lasting and original innovations upon that plane, according to its interests, abilities and capacity. It will therefore become a Buddha, a Christ, a Michelangelo, a hero in one field or another, an ego who changes the physical world completely in untold manners by the mere fact of its existence. It then does not reincarnate again upon that plane. However because of its own extraordinary nature, it itself forms with the inner self in an added gestalt, adding to the energy and ability of the inner self; and in a manner which I cannot yet explain to you, it voluntarily may give up its ego identification to a large degree for the purpose of giving its full energies to the store of the inner self. That is one possibility. It is followed by egos who have actually worn out not this energy, which is tremendous, but their desires.

Other egos choose instead to become entities of their own, in which case this magnificent outer ego becomes in turn an inner ego, which then from its own unfulfilled desires, abilities and initiatives are formed new outer egos which once again seek fulfillment. Such an outer ego turned inner ego, has only experienced existence then upon a particular plane. It is therefore filled with impatience as far as existence upon other planes are concerned; and therefore if it developed upon your plane initially, it will not choose to initiate anew there, but will choose other planes of activity.

(Session 58)

Jul 3, 2017 19:18:59 GMT -5 zin said:

I got curious about the 'electric universe'! I searched it in The Nature of Personal Reality but didn't find it there. Can you tell where it is explained most? That may be my second book. The below is what sounds related:

"It might help if you imagine an inner living dimension within yourself in which you create, in miniature psychic form, all the exterior conditions that you know. Simply put, you do exactly this. Your thoughts, feelings and mental pictures can be called incipient exterior events, for in one way or another each of these is materialized into physical reality."

It's mentioned in The Early Sessions, first mentioned in book 3, I believe. It's only remotely related to the Electric Universe theory some renegade physicists have developed recently. Seth's electric universe has more to do with astral bodies and stuff. It's a different plane of existence. But it's closely connected to the physical plane, both constantly interact with each other, one influencing the other. 

[zin]

Jul 4, 2017 9:57:12 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Jul 3, 2017 19:18:59 GMT -5 zin said:

Ok, 'temporary measure' explanation lightens the issue for me. I understand the typically not having children, too. Some questions come to my mind, like what about the families of prophets : ) Their parents, their children.. But 'Entity' must be a big concept - maybe I will come across something about these there. (and I don't know what he says on such influential figures of history)

As a general rule, entities send forth personalities. But in some cases, personalities can also become entities. According to Seth, that's Jane's and Robert's path. Reincarnation is a very complex topic. There are many possible scenarios. Here's a quote:

Seth: Now if there is good communication between the self, that is the inner self and the outer ego, then the ego begins to understand what it is, and also to realize that it has greater capacities than it can realize by continued reincarnations, upon one plane. If the ego is exceptional it may take one of two courses.It may choose to return to the same plane as a great originator, using knowledge that it receives from the inner self to make lasting and original innovations upon that plane, according to its interests, abilities and capacity. It will therefore become a Buddha, a Christ, a Michelangelo, a hero in one field or another, an ego who changes the physical world completely in untold manners by the mere fact of its existence. It then does not reincarnate again upon that plane. However because of its own extraordinary nature, it itself forms with the inner self in an added gestalt, adding to the energy and ability of the inner self; and in a manner which I cannot yet explain to you, it voluntarily may give up its ego identification to a large degree for the purpose of giving its full energies to the store of the inner self. That is one possibility. It is followed by egos who have actually worn out not this energy, which is tremendous, but their desires.

Other egos choose instead to become entities of their own, in which case this magnificent outer ego becomes in turn an inner ego, which then from its own unfulfilled desires, abilities and initiatives are formed new outer egos which once again seek fulfillment. Such an outer ego turned inner ego, has only experienced existence then upon a particular plane. It is therefore filled with impatience as far as existence upon other planes are concerned; and therefore if it developed upon your plane initially, it will not choose to initiate anew there, but will choose other planes of activity.

(Session 58)

Thank you for this Seth quote! Especially the part about Buddha, Christ, and Michelangelo is the most beautiful thing I read (heard) from him until now. And it reminded me of something from Gurdjieff teachings. I don't have a wish to mix the two materials but still I will think a bit on it and will write soon. (and will return to electric universe, too)

[Reefs]

Jul 4, 2017 20:06:15 GMT -5 zin said:

Jul 4, 2017 9:57:12 GMT -5 Reefs said:

As a general rule, entities send forth personalities. But in some cases, personalities can also become entities. According to Seth, that's Jane's and Robert's path. Reincarnation is a very complex topic. There are many possible scenarios. Here's a quote:

Thank you for this Seth quote! Especially the part about Buddha, Christ, and Michelangelo is the most beautiful thing I read (heard) from him until now. And it reminded me of something from Gurdjieff teachings. I don't have a wish to mix the two materials but still I will think a bit on it and will write soon. (and will return to electric universe, too)

When I started reading Seth, I was just curious where he would agree or disagree with A-H. Now I'm deeply involved in the Seth material and it's been a fascinating journey so far. It put A-H and even non-duality into a new perspective. And since Seth gives it all a somewhat scientific basis, I think it's going to convince even the more skeptical folks. Although Seth is talking about reincarnation, different planes of existence and channeling and telepathy all the time, he does hate the mainstream new age stuff with a passion. (That's why I think Laughter will love Seth)

So I'd say, if you can see some links to other teachers, then this can only be helpful for further and deeper understanding, especially if they have their own unique vocabulary.

[stardustpilgrim]

Jul 4, 2017 20:06:15 GMT -5 zin said:

Jul 4, 2017 9:57:12 GMT -5 Reefs said:

As a general rule, entities send forth personalities. But in some cases, personalities can also become entities. According to Seth, that's Jane's and Robert's path. Reincarnation is a very complex topic. There are many possible scenarios. Here's a quote:

Thank you for this Seth quote! Especially the part about Buddha, Christ, and Michelangelo is the most beautiful thing I read (heard) from him until now. And it reminded me of something from Gurdjieff teachings. I don't have a wish to mix the two materials but still I will think a bit on it and will write soon. (and will return to electric universe, too)

In The Theory of Eternal Life Rodney Collin described the next world (beyond the physical) as the electronic world. (Some quite extensive quotes, with yellow highlights. I think written in the late '40's. He died in 1956).


books.google.com/books?id=4cIjDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT22&lpg=PT22&dq=the+electronic+world+rodney+collin&source=bl&ots=w3jxiSeNJq&sig=HSny0FRhqpihMJC2KwhBuiaqh88&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjz6vv57vTUAhWGFT4KHXX_CB8Q6AEIRTAG#v=onepage&q=the%20electronic%20world%20rodney%20collin&f=false

If you scroll back you come to the chapter title, and further back the chapters listed and the book title. He also discusses the different nature of time (further down in the link) in the electronic world, events are not sequential. Time In the Invisible Worlds

[Reefs]

Jul 7, 2017 10:59:10 GMT -5 maxdprophet said:

Reminds me of the prayer 'let me be an instrument of Thy peace.'   John Coltrane was such a master of the saxophone. He could flawlessly express whatever inspiration flowed through him in the moment.  Much of his tunes are a recording of his explorations.  If the inner being is Thy peace, then the objective would be to unrestrict its expression, deobfuscate, polish the mirror, yada yada.

Right. What we call inspiration is actually the inner ego successfully feeding ideas to the outer ego. The outer ego can receive it, but doesn't know where it comes from.

Jul 7, 2017 10:59:10 GMT -5 maxdprophet said:

I'm interested in this idea that the inner being is too overwhelming.  A cc would be when those restraints are uncapped and the overwhelm happens?

First of all, those distinctions are only for convenience's sake so that we can talk about it. There are no clear lines and everything is in motion and changing constantly. Secondly, Seth usually talks about 3 parts of a personality - the outer ego, the subconscious and the inner ego. The outer ego is the part of the personality that has the most intense and most narrow focus, it's basically solely focused in the physical realm. To the outer ego belong the physical senses, the brain and the intellect. The inner ego is the part of the personality that actually runs the show in the background and is focused on multiple planes of existence simultaneously. To the inner ego belong the inner senses and the mind. The subconscious is the buffer between the outer ego and the inner ego. Seth says, the role the physical plane of existence plays from the POV of the inner ego is akin to the the role the dreamworld plays in our waking state from the POV of our ego, i.e. the inner ego isn't that much involved in the physical.

What is overwhelming to the outer ego is the richness of the inner sense data. The inner ego exists in the spacious present as Seth calls it, meaning prior to our ideas of time and space, so everything is happening simultaneously. The outer ego, however, is bound by ideas of time and space. And so the inner data, in order to be of any use to the outer ego, has to be translated into a time and space format. Which means it will be cut into pieces, large parts thrown out and then those remaining pieces will be arranged in a past, present, future sequence. That way, what remains of the original incredibly rich inner data is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

A CC would be seeing the physical realm with the inner senses, A-H call it 'seeing with the eyes of source'. Which gives it this incredible vividness and depth that is so characteristic of CC experiences plus this sense of having transcended those limiting ideas of time and space.

[laughter]

Jul 7, 2017 11:47:51 GMT -5 Reefs said:

Jul 7, 2017 10:59:10 GMT -5 maxdprophet said:

Reminds me of the prayer 'let me be an instrument of Thy peace.'   John Coltrane was such a master of the saxophone. He could flawlessly express whatever inspiration flowed through him in the moment.  Much of his tunes are a recording of his explorations.  If the inner being is Thy peace, then the objective would be to unrestrict its expression, deobfuscate, polish the mirror, yada yada.

Right. What we call inspiration is actually the inner ego successfully feeding ideas to the outer ego. The outer ego can receive it, but doesn't know where it comes from.

Jul 7, 2017 10:59:10 GMT -5 maxdprophet said:

I'm interested in this idea that the inner being is too overwhelming.  A cc would be when those restraints are uncapped and the overwhelm happens?

First of all, those distinctions are only for convenience's sake so that we can talk about it. There are no clear lines and everything is in motion and changing constantly. Secondly, Seth usually talks about 3 parts of a personality - the outer ego, the subconscious and the inner ego. The outer ego is the part of the personality that has the most intense and most narrow focus, it's basically solely focused in the physical realm. To the outer ego belong the physical senses, the brain and the intellect. The inner ego is the part of the personality that actually runs the show in the background and is focused on multiple planes of existence simultaneously. To the inner ego belong the inner senses and the mind. The subconscious is the buffer between the outer ego and the inner ego. Seth says, the role the physical plane of existence plays from the POV of the inner ego is akin to the the role the dreamworld plays in our waking state from the POV of our ego, i.e. the inner ego isn't that much involved in the physical.

What is overwhelming to the outer ego is the richness of the inner sense data. The inner ego exists in the spacious present as Seth calls it, meaning prior to our ideas of time and space, so everything is happening simultaneously. The outer ego, however, is bound by ideas of time and space. And so the inner data, in order to be of any use to the outer ego, has to be translated into a time and space format. Which means it will be cut into pieces, large parts thrown out and then those remaining pieces will be arranged in a past, present, future sequence. That way, what remains of the original incredibly rich inner data is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

A CC would be seeing the physical realm with the inner senses, A-H call it 'seeing with the eyes of source'. Which gives it this incredible vividness and depth that is so characteristic of CC experiences plus this sense of having transcended those limiting ideas of time and space.

Very clear. Like .. ultra clear ..

[lolly]

I've never read any Seth besides a glance over what was quoted on the forum, which I didn't understand and was too lazy to figure out. A friend of mine is a big fan of Seth, and she's the ducks nuts - that's why I like Seth regardless.