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Post by Reefs on Jul 5, 2018 10:54:02 GMT -5
Here's a quote related to the moment points concept: This sounds like my second favorite episode of Doctor Who, The Man In The Fireplace. Doctor Who visits the future Madame de Pompadour in the 1700's, who becomes Louis XV's mistress. He visits her, via her fireplace in her room from time to time over the years as she grows up. She notices he doesn't get older as she does. He is on a spaceship of mechanical robots that is "cannibalizing" parts to keep their ship running. They also visit Madame de Pompadour periodically, wanting her brain for ship's control, waiting for it to mature before taking it. Her time passes slowly but the Doctor's time passes quickly, in relation. The Doctor basically falls in love with her, and she with him, and wants to rescue her from the robots, who are her nightmare. Of course he does, and he even thinks it going to be a one-way trip with him being stuck in her time. Very cool, the two different time references, his and hers. Doctor Who, the best TV program of all time...(my favorite episode, Blink [with Sally Sparrow/Carrie Mulligan]). Here's another Seth quote: |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 5, 2018 17:31:58 GMT -5
This sounds like my second favorite episode of Doctor Who, The Man In The Fireplace. Doctor Who visits the future Madame de Pompadour in the 1700's, who becomes Louis XV's mistress. He visits her, via her fireplace in her room from time to time over the years as she grows up. She notices he doesn't get older as she does. He is on a spaceship of mechanical robots that is "cannibalizing" parts to keep their ship running. They also visit Madame de Pompadour periodically, wanting her brain for ship's control, waiting for it to mature before taking it. Her time passes slowly but the Doctor's time passes quickly, in relation. The Doctor basically falls in love with her, and she with him, and wants to rescue her from the robots, who are her nightmare. Of course he does, and he even thinks it going to be a one-way trip with him being stuck in her time. Very cool, the two different time references, his and hers. Doctor Who, the best TV program of all time...(my favorite episode, Blink [with Sally Sparrow/Carrie Mulligan]). Here's another Seth quote: Very nice. I recalled a quote from The Girl in the Fireplace episode. I didn't want to mess it up earlier so looked it up. (Your quote makes it necessary). The Doctor calls her still, Reinette, having met her as a young girl. Rose says trying to tell her what's going on (two time frames) is complicated, so Reinette says let me give it a go: (The vessel is the TARDIS) *"There is a vessel in your world where the days of my life are pressed together like the chapters of a book so that he may step from one to the other without increase of age, while I, weary traveler, must always take the slower path". (Rose replies, Wow, The Doctor said you were smart). |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 6, 2018 10:35:09 GMT -5
Here's another Seth quote: Very nice. I recalled a quote from The Girl in the Fireplace episode. I didn't want to mess it up earlier so looked it up. (Your quote makes it necessary). The Doctor calls her still, Reinette, having met her as a young girl. Rose says trying to tell her what's going on (two time frames) is complicated, so Reinette says let me give it a go: (The vessel is the TARDIS) *"There is a vessel in your world where the days of my life are pressed together like the chapters of a book so that he may step from one to the other without increase of age, while I, weary traveler, must always take the slower path". (Rose replies, Wow, The Doctor said you were smart). I like the bolded part of the quote - "you end up short-changed..." - this very true. As Seth teaches, the point of power is in the present. The same principle seems to apply to channeling. As Seth explains (and also Estherham) what can be seen and understood in an instant from the nonphysical perspective takes hours to translate into the physical perspective, our linear space time format. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 2, 2018 7:51:22 GMT -5
Food & Diet (1)
Seth: Each body is of course individual, and while there must be similarities in the ways bodies utilize substances, still there are differences—and sometimes the differences can be more than considerable. Not only in the case of a given substance in many bodies, for example, but any given body may utilize any given substance in quite diverse fashions, according to varying circumstances.
The dietary methods given in the book* Ruburt read have indeed worked for many, and for the following reasons: as you suspected, a kind of conversion was attained. The people involved first of all had been told by doctors—medical doctors—that they themselves had no control over their own disease, that the symptoms could be lessened somewhat—perhaps—but that there was no hope for recovery.
The patients had various beliefs, of course, behind their conditions. Many felt unworthy. Because of this many were unable to express normal aggression. The author gives such people a specific enemy, or evil: no more must they be battered with formless fears, but these become gathered together and focused into the dietary area. Unhealthy foods become the villain.
This means that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the person, which many of them have believed. They are good (as of course they are). The trouble is what they take into their system. Those who are cured are at a certain state when they approach the author, as mentioned earlier, feeling helpless after medical treatments that did not work—feeling that there is something wrong with them. They are in their own eyes “bad”—and in one way or another that kind of belief was behind the condition to begin with.
To that degree, the author offers them salvation: “You are good, but the food is bad.” The fasting is symbolic, as is the emphasis upon enemas and elimination, for these are meant to flush the impurities from your system. You are as empty, symbolically, open and vacant, as a newborn child, ready now only to partake of God’s pure foods, determined to avoid technology’s poisonous effects. You are taking in goodness, then, and becoming better and better. You accept dietary limitations—say a limited environment of food—rather than the limitations earlier felt in motion. The exterior environment opens up. Oftentimes the previously withheld normal aggression now can be legitimately expressed—against the food companies, the technological environment, the medical profession, and so forth.
The cured person becomes a convert to a new way of life. When there are no cures, or patients do not respond, or they slide back into old ways, the doctor-author simply says they are not ready to take the steps necessary, or they have taken them half-heartedly. And many who are cured, of course, come down with other conditions if they have not succeeded in identifying their own fears sufficiently with the author’s.
* “A Doctor’s Proven New Home Cure for Arthritis,” by Giraud W. Campbell, Doctor of Osteopathy
Deleted Session, November 15, 1978
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Post by Reefs on Aug 4, 2018 8:36:00 GMT -5
Food & Diet (2)
Seth: The body is amazingly capable of turning what seem to be toxic substances into beneficial ones, and any body carries within it quite harmlessly all kinds of seemingly deadly viruses that in a healthy person add to overall body balance and health.
I am somewhat familiar with food before canning and refrigeration, and there were maggots everywhere, and feces and dirt, and sanitation was largely unknown. So in certain terms God’s fruits and vegetables are not entirely pure in spiritual terms, as many food faddists imply.
All chemicals are natural. They come from what was already available to you—you cannot make a chemical except from substances or elements you already have. In certain terms, now, some natural diets of five centuries ago could kill you today, though they lacked any technologically produced chemicals.
You tell your body what to do with the food you eat—and when you are in a technological civilization, it is rather foolhardy to convince yourselves that your food is poisoned.
(Deleted Session, November 15, 1978)
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Post by Reefs on Aug 6, 2018 9:45:02 GMT -5
Reincarnation (1)
Seth: I have been many times both man and woman, and I have immersed myself in various occupations, but always with the idea of learning so that I could teach. I had a firm background in physical existence, therefore, as a prerequisite for my present “work.”
I did not play the part of any towering personality of historical note, but became experienced in the homey and intimate details of daily life, the normal struggle for achievement, the need for love. I learned the unutterable yearning of father for son, son for father, husband for wife, wife for husband, and fell headlong into the intimate webs of human relationships.
I have been a spice merchant in Denmark, where I knew Ruburt and Joseph. In several lives I was black — once in what is now called Ethiopia, and once in Turkey. My lives as monks followed my experience as a pope, and in one of these, I was a victim of the Spanish Inquisition. My experience in female lives varied from that of a plain Dutch spinster to a courtesan at the time of the biblical David, to several existences as a humble mother with children.
Now when I began contacting Ruburt and Joseph, I hid from them the fact of my numerous lives. Ruburt, in particular, did not accept reincarnation, and the idea of such multiple life experiences would have been highly scandalous to him. The times and names and dates are not nearly as important as the experiences, and they are too numerous to list here.
(Session 588)
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Post by Reefs on Aug 7, 2018 7:03:59 GMT -5
Reincarnation (2)
Seth: You should understand, that those [previous] personalities still exist and are independent. While what I am once seemed to be contained within those personalities, I was but the seed for them. In your terms, I can remember who I was; in greater terms, however, those personalities should speak for themselves. Perhaps you will see an analogy here when you compare the situation with age regression under hypnosis. Those personalities are not locked up inside of what I am, however. They have progressed according to their own fashion. They are not negated. In my terms, they coexist with me, but at another layer of reality.
In several lives I was consciously aware of my “past existences.” Once as a monk I found myself copying a manuscript that I myself had written in another life. Often I was given to the love of weight, and possessed it. Twice I died of starvation. I always found my deaths highly educational — in your terms, afterwards. It was always a lesson between lives to trace the thoughts and events that “led to a given demise.”
None of my deaths surprised me. I felt during the process the inevitability, the recognition, even a sense of familiarity: “Of course, this particular dying is mine and no other.” And I accepted even the most bizarre circumstances then, feeling almost a sense of perfection. The life could not be finished properly without the death. There is a great sense of humility, and yet a great sense of exaltation as the inner self senses its freedom when death occurs. All my deaths were the complement of my lives, in that it seemed to me that it could not be otherwise. If I choose, in your terms I can relive any portion of those existences, but those personalities go their own way.
On a subjective level I acted as a teacher and a Speaker in each of my lives. In a few highly intuitive existences I was aware of this fact. You do not understand as yet the high importance of the underside of consciousness. Beside your objective role in each life, your reincarnational challenges also involve your dream states, rhythms of creativity that flow and ebb beneath the daily world you know. So I became highly proficient in this way as a Speaker and a teacher in several lives that were externally uninteresting by contrast.
My influence, work, and concern in such cases was far more vast than my quiet objective pursuits. I give you this information hoping to help you understand the true nature of your own reality. My reincarnational existences do not define what I am, however, nor do yours define you.
(Session 588)
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Post by zin on Aug 12, 2018 7:55:19 GMT -5
Blueprints
Each probability system has its own set of 'blueprints', clearly defining its freedoms and boundaries, and setting forth the most favorable structures capable of fulfillment. These are not 'inner images of perfection', and to some extent the blueprints themselves change, for the action within any given system of probabilities automatically alters the entire picture, enlarging it. The blueprints are actually more like inner working plans that can be changed with circumstances, but to some extent they are idea-lizations. As an individual you carry within you such a blueprint, then; it contains all the information you require to bring about the most favorable version of yourself in the probable system that you know. These blueprints exist biologically and at every level – psychically, spiritually, mentally. The information is knit into the genes and chromosomes, but it exists apart, and the physical structures merely represent the carriers of information. In the same fashion the species en masse holds within its vast inner mind such working plans or blueprints. They exist apart from the physical world and in an inner one, and from this you draw those theories, ideas, civilization, and technologies which you then physically translate. Platonic thought saw this inner world as perfect. As you think of it, however, perfection always suggests something done and finished, or beyond surpassing, and this of course denies the inherent characteristics of creativity, which do indeed always seek to surpass themselves. The Platonic, idealized inner world would ultimately result in a dead one, for in it the models for all exteriorizations were seen as already completed – finished and perfect. Many have seen that inner world as the source for the physical one, but imagined that man's purpose was merely to construct physically these perfect images to the best of his abilities. In that picture man himself did not help create that inner world, or have any hand in its beauty. He could at best try to duplicate it physically – never able, however, to match its perfection in those terms. In such a version of inner-outer reality the back-and-forth mobility, the give-and-take between inner and outer, is ignored. Man, being a part of that inner world by reason of the nature of his own psyche, automatically has a hand in the creation of those blueprints which at another level he uses as guides. To some extent great artists not only capture a physical picture of Inner Idea, but they also have a hand in creating that idea or inner model to begin with. In your terms, the inner world does represent Idea Potential as yet unrealized – but those ideas and those potentials do not exist outside of consciousness. They are ideals set in the heart of man, yet in other terms he is the one who also put them there, out of the deeper knowledge of his being that straddles physical time. Existence is wise and compassionate, so in certain terms consciousness, knowing itself as man, sent future extensions of itself out into the time scheme that man would know, and lovingly planted signposts for itself to follow 'later'.
session 696
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 23:48:44 GMT -5
"Such a change in your waking and sleeping patterns very nicely helps cut through your habitual ways of looking at the nature of your own personal world, and so alters your conception of reality in general.
To some extent, there is a natural and spontaneous merging of what you would think of as conscious and unconscious activity. This in itself brings about a greater understanding of the give-and-take that exists between the ego and other portions of self. The unconscious is no longer equated with darkness, or with unknown frightening elements. Its character is transformed, so that the "dark" qualities are seen as actually illuminating portions of conscious life, while also providing great sources of power and energy for normal ego-oriented experience.
On the other hand, areas of ordinary behaviour that may have seemed opaque before, cloudy or dark - personal characteristic behaviour that was not understood, for instance - may suddenly become quite clear as a result of this transformation, in which the shadowy aspects of the unconscious are perceived as brilliant.
Barriers are broken down, and with them certain beliefs that were based upon them. If the unconscious is no longer feared, then the races that symbolized it are no longer to be feared either."
Session 652.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 18, 2018 11:40:12 GMT -5
Seth: ... In several lives I was consciously aware of my “past existences.” Once as a monk I found myself copying a manuscript that I myself had written in another life. Often I was given to the love of weight, and possessed it. Twice I died of starvation. I always found my deaths highly educational — in your terms, afterwards. It was always a lesson between lives to trace the thoughts and events that “led to a given demise.”  |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 18, 2018 11:52:55 GMT -5
Reincarnation (3)
Seth: I was a pope in A.D. 300. I was not a very good pope. I had two illegitimate children, a mistress that sneaked into my private study, a magician that I kept in case I did not do too well on my own, a housekeeper who was pregnant every year that I had her, and three daughters who joined a nunnery because I would not have them — and I am referred to in barely three paltry lines, for my reign did not last very long.
Unless I summon the self that I was at that time, the memories for details are not that clear. But as I now recall them, without directly checking on our friend the Pope, who has, you must understand, gone his own way, I am coming as close as I can. We did not have as many guards at that time, but we had many stolen paintings and jewels of great merit. Now some of these jewels, as well as the money, went for expeditions that you do not realize were adopted at the time, having to do with commerce and ships sent to Africa; and this interest had to do with my later life when I was involved with the oregano [as a spice merchant in Denmark, in the 1600’s]. My sniffing goes back for centuries.
We had not yet begun the strong insistence upon indulgences, so I did not have that extra cash that indulgences would bring in. I believed and did not believe, as you [to a class member] earlier believed and did not believe, and I did a good job of hiding from myself what I believed and what I did not believe. And the higher one gets in power, the harder it is to hide such things from one’s self.
I was very fond of my first mistress, whose name was Maria. And there were no such sane rules as those in which you now sit, and there were no governments as secure in which you could reside as those you now enjoy.
I did believe implicitly in the God in which I was brought up, and in that belief. It was only later that I wondered how such a god would choose me for such a position — and then I began to wonder. I had four lives following that of the most adverse circumstances, to make sure that I understood the difference between luxury and poverty, pride and compassion. And there were days in other centuries that I walked the same streets that I had walked as Pope. I touched these streets lightly as Pope; but as a peasant I walked with a heavy foot and great weight, until I learned the lessons that I had to learn, as all of you will also learn your own lessons.
(ESP class session May 15, 1971)
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Post by zin on Oct 2, 2018 19:36:38 GMT -5
The entity and personalities
(From the 28th Session:) Condensed time is the time felt or experienced by the entity, while any of its given personalities 'live' on a plane of physical materializations. To go into this a bit further, many men have said that life was a dream. They were true to the facts in one strong regard, and yet far afield as far as the main issue is concerned. Individual life, or the life of the present individual, could be legitimately compared to the dream of an entity. While the individual suffers and enjoys his [or her] given number of years, these are but a flash to the entity. The entity is concerned with such years in the same manner that you are concerned with your own dreams. … And as your dreams originate with you, arise from you, attain a seeming independence and have their ending with you, so any entity's personalities arise from it, attain various degrees of independence, and return to it while never leaving it for an instant. The entity organizes its personalities and to some extent directs their activities while still allowing them what you would call free will. There exist infinities of diversity and opportunity for the personalities. The entity itself does not have to keep constant check on its personalities, because in each one there is an inner self-conscious part that knows its origin. I have mentioned before that some part of you knows exactly how much oxygen the lungs breathe, and how much energy it takes to pace a floor, and this is the part of you of which I spoke. It is the self-conscious part that receives all inner data. … the part that translates inner data sifts it down through the subconscious, which is a barrier and also a threshold to the present camouflage personality. I have said that the topmost part of the subconscious contains personal memories, that beneath these are racial memories, and so forth. Things are simply not layered in the way I speak of them, but continuing with the necessary analogy, on the other side of (or beneath, to you) the racial memories, you no longer exist within your plane; you look out upon another with the face of this other self-conscious part of you. This part receives inner data, is in contact with the entity to some greater degree than you are in contact with your dreams, and actually directs all of the important functions that you think are either automatically or unconsciously controlled. When such abilities as telepathy occur, this telepathic function is carried on continually by this other self-conscious part of you; but as a rule you act upon those data without the knowledge of the conscious self with which you are familiar. There is of course an apparent contradiction here, but it is only apparent – your dilemma being this: If you have another self-conscious self, then why aren't you aware of it?Pretend that you are some weird creature with two faces. One face looks out upon one world and one looks upon another. Imagine, further, this poor creature having a brain to go with each face, and that each brain interprets reality in terms of the world it looks upon. Yet the worlds are different, and more, the creatures are Siamese twins. At the same time imagine that these creatures are really one creature, but with definite parts equipped to handle two entirely different worlds. The subconscious, therefore, in this ludicrous analogy, would exist between the two brains, and would enable the creature to operate as a single unit. At the same time – and this is the difficult part to explain – neither of the two faces would ever see the other world. They would not [usually] be aware of each other, and yet each would be fully self-conscious.
(The 'Unknown' Reality Vol 2, Appendix 18)
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Post by Reefs on Oct 24, 2018 7:51:14 GMT -5
Camouflage and physical laws
Seth: Because mental enzymes seem to give the same effects most of the time in your physical universe, your scientists for years blithely labeled these as the laws of nature, that is, the apparent laws of cause and effect. Now because, if you’ll excuse the pun, a certain cause will usually give a certain effect in your physical universe, you may be justified in saying that these apparent results are laws that operate within your physical universe. But please, stay in your own backyard. What I am trying to say is that there are apparent rules of cause and effect, but the same causes do not always give the same effects.
The inhabitants [of a particular plane] see only the camouflage. They then accept this particular camouflage as a definite rule of nature, never realizing that just beyond their eyesight and just beyond all their outer senses, this familiar tamed animal of a law changes appearance completely. So complete in fact is the transformation as to be almost in some cases unrecognizable. However, by seeing beneath the camouflage in any one case you see beneath the camouflage in all cases.
(Session 16)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 4:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2018 7:19:07 GMT -5
The ego is a tool
Seth: The ego is extremely important. It is however only a part of what you call yourself. Your artistic ability does not belong to your ego though I understand that anyone on your plane identifies himself with his ego, and when he says “I am,” he means he is his ego, or his ego is.
Nevertheless, the ego is the tool by which the hidden self manipulates in the physical universe as you know it. The ego enables you to use or focus your artistic ability along the lines necessary to make it effective on your plane. However when the ego becomes involved with fears to a greater or lesser extent, it ceases to be an effective tool and becomes instead a hammer hitting you incessantly over the head.
The ego must sit lightly, otherwise it can smother the talent that lies beneath. Your subconscious is a greater part of you than you know, and the ego is nothing more than the topmost portion of the subconscious. There is after all no dividing line, and you are as much your subconscious as you are your ego, and more.
The subconscious and the ego, of course, are both you. For simplicity’s sake I will speak of the ego and the subconscious, though they are actually one. The subconscious forms and projects the materializations of the ego as a tool to enable it to attain its goals. When these goals and talents are attributed to the ego alone they are so to speak decapitated. I am not suggesting that the ego be ignored in any manner, merely that the tool is not allowed to become the master.
Your own subconscious is the fountain of your individuality and personality. From it springs your talent. When the ego becomes too concerned with daily matters, with worry in other words, then the works of the tool become clogged. It becomes ineffective. Dissociation unclogs the tool and is absolutely necessary. The freely working subconscious, or the inner you, is completely capable of taking care of all practical considerations, and will use the ego as a tool to see that this is done.
(Session 17)
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