|
|
Post by zin on Jun 12, 2018 18:52:59 GMT -5
I think an exploration about a "capacity to create versus react or discover" is a VERY important thing. Probably the 'problem' is, it may sound "against non-volition" etc.. But maybe there really is a way to talk about creation free from selfishness (selfishness may not be the rightest word here!). Certainly there is a basic non-volitional ground of being that is the substrate of our nature. But i’ve also come to see that as one becomes the master of their own mind one seems to evolve into more and more of a creative being...and this capacity grows as our vision expands. in the beggining one seems to be very locked into a set of specific paradigms of thought and movement that seem to be our individualized part of the patterns of nature...we also do not have much awareness of or mastery of our own thoughts as they arise...so in some ways we are creation unfolding within a greater organizing intelligence....but as we evolve, and as we exert mastery and control of our own thoughts we seem to be granted more capacity for volition in what we create. its almost like the Universe has safety measures in place so that each of us cannot simply create whatever whim that passes through us as a thought because that would be chaos...like you dreams are....but as you exert more control and direction over your thoughts you are granted more volition and a bigger vision. i think ultimately we are all in preparation for and in the process of first becoming self aware, then evolving into creative beings with increased capacity to create. just my two cents Firstly, I want to say that a better word (instead of 'selfishness' I mentioned above) came into my mind during a walk on the day of that message : ) And it is 'vanity'. I heard it said that there's nothing vanity cannot go into! I agree, I think one may renounce many advantages to 'self' in the name of vanity.
And then I agree with most of the things you write here, especially with "in the beggining one seems to be very locked into a set of specific paradigms of thought and movement" and "its almost like the Universe has safety measures in place so that each of us cannot simply create whatever whim that passes through us". I say I agree but these are only intuitions for me now. And I am not sure about the role of 'mastery of our own thoughts' in the act of creation. It *must* have a place but is it sufficient?
Maybe within 'mastery of thoughts' you include silence, too.. I mean, it is not just visualizing things, is it? And also not just refraining from negativity.. Maybe here what we mean by creation is important. For me it is not a 'manifesting what I want' type of thing (ie wealth, nice atmosphere, etc). For me it is more about what I quoted from Seth material today. I understand it almost literally as creating a 'world'. An environment and maybe possibilities of connections between elements of that environment. But I may sound very very deluded here, I am not sure  .. I have not thought or tried anything, this is just the direction my senses are going towards nowadays.
Btw I find some things in that quote quite interesting. Like:
"I suggested that Ruburt's students create a 'city' at another level of reality. .... A psychic marketplace, for example, where ideas are exchanged, a place of psychic commerce, a pleasant environment with quite definite coordinates".
For now this is just a nice symbol in the back of my mind. The good thing about it is it can include people who have died, too.
*Please do not mind this message if it sounds too artificial! It's good to talk on it anyway.
|
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Jun 13, 2018 0:24:17 GMT -5
Physical reality is not false
Seth: Creation and perception are far more intimately connected than any of your scientists realize. It is quite true that your physical senses create the reality that they perceive. A tree is something far different to a microbe, a bird, an insect, and a man who stands beneath it. I am not saying that the tree only appears to be different. It is different. You perceive its reality through one set of highly specialized senses. This does not mean that its reality exists in that form in any more basic way than it exists in the form perceived by the microbe, insect, or bird. You cannot perceive the quite valid reality of that tree in any context but your own. This applies to anything within the physical system that you know.
It is not that physical reality is false. It is that the physical picture is simply one of an infinite number of ways of perceiving the various guises through which consciousness expresses itself. The physical senses force you to translate experience into physical perceptions. The inner senses open your range of perception, allow you to interpret experience in a far freer manner and to create new forms and new channels through which you, or any consciousness, can know itself.
(Session 515)
|
|
|
|
Post by steven on Jun 17, 2018 17:51:19 GMT -5
Certainly there is a basic non-volitional ground of being that is the substrate of our nature. But i’ve also come to see that as one becomes the master of their own mind one seems to evolve into more and more of a creative being...and this capacity grows as our vision expands. in the beggining one seems to be very locked into a set of specific paradigms of thought and movement that seem to be our individualized part of the patterns of nature...we also do not have much awareness of or mastery of our own thoughts as they arise...so in some ways we are creation unfolding within a greater organizing intelligence....but as we evolve, and as we exert mastery and control of our own thoughts we seem to be granted more capacity for volition in what we create. its almost like the Universe has safety measures in place so that each of us cannot simply create whatever whim that passes through us as a thought because that would be chaos...like you dreams are....but as you exert more control and direction over your thoughts you are granted more volition and a bigger vision. i think ultimately we are all in preparation for and in the process of first becoming self aware, then evolving into creative beings with increased capacity to create. just my two cents Firstly, I want to say that a better word (instead of 'selfishness' I mentioned above) came into my mind during a walk on the day of that message : ) And it is 'vanity'. I heard it said that there's nothing vanity cannot go into! I agree, I think one may renounce many advantages to 'self' in the name of vanity.
And then I agree with most of the things you write here, especially with "in the beggining one seems to be very locked into a set of specific paradigms of thought and movement" and "its almost like the Universe has safety measures in place so that each of us cannot simply create whatever whim that passes through us". I say I agree but these are only intuitions for me now. And I am not sure about the role of 'mastery of our own thoughts' in the act of creation. It *must* have a place but is it sufficient?
Maybe within 'mastery of thoughts' you include silence, too.. I mean, it is not just visualizing things, is it? And also not just refraining from negativity.. Maybe here what we mean by creation is important. For me it is not a 'manifesting what I want' type of thing (ie wealth, nice atmosphere, etc). For me it is more about what I quoted from Seth material today. I understand it almost literally as creating a 'world'. An environment and maybe possibilities of connections between elements of that environment. But I may sound very very deluded here, I am not sure .. I have not thought or tried anything, this is just the direction my senses are going towards nowadays.
Btw I find some things in that quote quite interesting. Like:
"I suggested that Ruburt's students create a 'city' at another level of reality. .... A psychic marketplace, for example, where ideas are exchanged, a place of psychic commerce, a pleasant environment with quite definite coordinates".
For now this is just a nice symbol in the back of my mind. The good thing about it is it can include people who have died, too.
*Please do not mind this message if it sounds too artificial! It's good to talk on it anyway.
Silence, and being both consciously connected to and immursed in our Primordial Nature of pure un-moving consciousness absolutely expands on our power to create as sentient beings. First, it allows a pause so to speak, where one can become aware of and then STOP the habitual movements of mind....there is also a deep fountain of calm resolute strength and power that comes from resting in our deepest most primordial aspect of self from which the I AM and all it’s iterations flow. it can be an end unto itself....but it produces a steady ness that I think the Universe responds to by granting is a bigger portion of volition, creative power, and an expanded vision of everything, including an expanded vision of possibilities. moreover, thoughts seem to in-form manifested reality from the substance of pure thingless conciousness....and as we increase our capacity to maintain bright clear focused thoughts and as we increase our capacity to open up to, be aware of, and reside emerged in that state of pure unmoving consciousness...our ability to form manifestations of experience using our thoughts applied to the raw material of the Universe becomes easier and more affective as we go. its almost like pure consciousness is the clay which our thoughts shape into experiences. certainly becoming aware of the clay helps, as does becoming more adept at using our shaping tools...I.e. thoughts and the more visceral your experience with that pure stuff from which all things come forth the more mastery one gains and seems to be givin in its shaping |
|
|
|
Post by steven on Jun 17, 2018 17:59:21 GMT -5
The more you demonstrate a calm steady hand it seem like the more power of volition and creativity one is granted...volition and creativity are one and the same.
And so far I know of nothing that develops a deeper awareness and a more calm steady hand than regularly letting go into a state of deep Samahdi.
|
|
|
|
Post by steven on Jun 17, 2018 18:02:58 GMT -5
Reefs and Laughter: Both of those responses seem to come from within either a reactionary paradigm or a reactionary/seeker paradigm. Meaning that it’s view of the world based in either being able to react to a world percieved outside of your inner being or looking for something deeper from an outer ring into a deeper inner being. What I was pointing to with the phrase “infinite possibility” is our capacity to create versus react or discover.(snip) The same is true with what so many have discovered here, or what many here are trying to discover.... The primordial base nature of yourself...that field of pure awareness that’s aware of itself is a property of existence...a field from which infinite possibilities of creation are possible and manipulatable. The discovering of which can be and end to itself....or just a beggining. I think an exploration about a "capacity to create versus react or discover" is a VERY important thing. Probably the 'problem' is, it may sound "against non-volition" etc.. But maybe there really is a way to talk about creation free from selfishness (selfishness may not be the rightest word here!). Selfishness is just a perspective...as is non-volition seems to me that volition and creativity, or volition and our capacities as nodes of Universal Conciousness to create are one and the same |
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Jun 18, 2018 2:38:06 GMT -5
Frank Herbert wrote about a fictional class of mutated, substance-addicted and even substance-enveloped people who could fold space with their minds. Dune was published in 1965. Here's Lynch's screen rendition of the characters, which embellished quite a bit from Herbert's descriptions: The wiki describing the characters doesn't do justice to my memory of Herberts very explicit writing as to how they initiated travel by the power of their mind alone. Obviously different from what I take as Seth's suggestion that there won't be any physical component to the travel, but I found it a fun parallel anyway. It seems to me you are a bit struggling with Seth's take on science. What Seth calls camouflage is basically what others call Maya. If you look at it that way, maybe it will make more sense. According to Seth, there are no alien life forms in our solar system. He says contact will be made via psychic means. The kind of space travel he is talking about is more of the kind you had Yogananda writing about in his book when his (dead) Master visited him or when his Master seemed to have been seen in several places at once. So there won't be any physical component traveling from A to B but there will be something like a physical component appear at B. Europa and the other moons of Jupiter and Saturn await! |
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Jun 19, 2018 6:00:20 GMT -5
It seems to me you are a bit struggling with Seth's take on science. What Seth calls camouflage is basically what others call Maya. If you look at it that way, maybe it will make more sense. According to Seth, there are no alien life forms in our solar system. He says contact will be made via psychic means. The kind of space travel he is talking about is more of the kind you had Yogananda writing about in his book when his (dead) Master visited him or when his Master seemed to have been seen in several places at once. So there won't be any physical component traveling from A to B but there will be something like a physical component appear at B. Europa and the other moons of Jupiter and Saturn await! Alien life forms here means life forms that share this same kind of camouflage. There are numerous other life forms that already share this same space we inhabit, according to Seth (and also A-H). |
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Jun 19, 2018 7:14:56 GMT -5
Europa and the other moons of Jupiter and Saturn await! Alien life forms here means life forms that share this same kind of camouflage. There are numerous other life forms that already share this same space we inhabit, according to Seth (and also A-H). Well, that's what the explorer's who go there will be hoping to find.  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 8:07:05 GMT -5
I remember reading Seth Speaks, the material seemed inexhaustible. I was highly skeptical. But on a dare, I went to see a famous channel medium in one of the beach communities near LA. The gentleman was channeling someone called Dr. Peebles. At the time I worked near a naval base. It was the height of the Cold War, and all of us at work knew the base would be a primary target in a nuclear exchange. After annoying him with silly questions, I asked him if there would be a nuclear exchange between the super powers. He plainly told me there would not be one, that the USSR, would go through a massive transformation. I even had it on tape, but discarded it before the collapse of the Soviet Union. It still amazes me.
|
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Jun 19, 2018 8:54:57 GMT -5
Alien life forms here means life forms that share this same kind of camouflage. There are numerous other life forms that already share this same space we inhabit, according to Seth (and also A-H). Well, that's what the explorer's who go there will be hoping to find.  |
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Jun 19, 2018 9:01:24 GMT -5
I remember reading Seth Speaks, the material seemed inexhaustible. I was highly skeptical. But on a dare, I went to see a famous channel medium in one of the beach communities near LA. The gentleman was channeling someone called Dr. Peebles. At the time I worked near a naval base. It was the height of the Cold War, and all of us at work knew the base would be a primary target in a nuclear exchange. After annoying him with silly questions, I asked him if there would be a nuclear exchange between the super powers. He plainly told me there would not be one, that the USSR, would go through a massive transformation. I even had it on tape, but discarded it before the collapse of the Soviet Union. It still amazes me. I don't consider that prediction surprising. If you'd lived on the other side of the iron curtain at that time you'd probably come to the same conclusion. Nowadays historians will tell you that the cold war was a charade. However, on the topic of overpopulation I've heard A-H mention regularly that such matters are not in our hands (we as beings that identify themselves with the physical). And some of that may carry over to events related to (possible) mass extinction as well. There's a lot more at stake here than just the human race and so there are a lot more players involved in the co-creation/orchestration of such events. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 10:15:37 GMT -5
I remember reading Seth Speaks, the material seemed inexhaustible. I was highly skeptical. But on a dare, I went to see a famous channel medium in one of the beach communities near LA. The gentleman was channeling someone called Dr. Peebles. At the time I worked near a naval base. It was the height of the Cold War, and all of us at work knew the base would be a primary target in a nuclear exchange. After annoying him with silly questions, I asked him if there would be a nuclear exchange between the super powers. He plainly told me there would not be one, that the USSR, would go through a massive transformation. I even had it on tape, but discarded it before the collapse of the Soviet Union. It still amazes me. I don't consider that prediction surprising. If you'd lived on the other side of the iron curtain at that time you'd probably come to the same conclusion. Nowadays historians will tell you that the cold war was a charade. However, on the topic of overpopulation I've heard A-H mention regularly that such matters are not in our hands (we as beings that identify themselves with the physical). And some of that may carry over to events related to (possible) mass extinction as well. There's a lot more at stake here than just the human race and so there are a lot more players involved in the co-creation/orchestration of such events. Interesting , this gentleman didn't live in the East Bloc.He spoke English with an American accent, and as far as I know our intelligence community at the time considered the Soviets a robust enemy. So it was a surprise to most folks here in the West. But I concede that it is plausible that it was a calculation rather than a psychic event. In regards to overpopulation, not sure who A-H is, but am interested in learning more. The demise of the planet to me seems a race between humanity and Elon Musk. I think Elon is losing. |
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Jun 19, 2018 11:25:22 GMT -5
I don't consider that prediction surprising. If you'd lived on the other side of the iron curtain at that time you'd probably come to the same conclusion. Nowadays historians will tell you that the cold war was a charade. However, on the topic of overpopulation I've heard A-H mention regularly that such matters are not in our hands (we as beings that identify themselves with the physical). And some of that may carry over to events related to (possible) mass extinction as well. There's a lot more at stake here than just the human race and so there are a lot more players involved in the co-creation/orchestration of such events. Interesting , this gentleman didn't live in the East Bloc.He spoke English with an American accent, and as far as I know our intelligence community at the time considered the Soviets a robust enemy. So it was a surprise to most folks here in the West. But I concede that it is plausible that it was a calculation rather than a psychic event. In regards to overpopulation, not sure who A-H is, but am interested in learning more. The demise of the planet to me seems a race between humanity and Elon Musk. I think Elon is losing. A-H is short for Abraham-Hicks. That's also channeled material, similar to Seth (or more precisely 'Seth 2'). Are you familiar with Seth's 'moment points' concept? This would explain such predictions far into the future. |
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Jun 19, 2018 12:13:30 GMT -5
Well, that's what the explorer's who go there will be hoping to find.  imagine how the sea monsters on Europa are gonna' feel!  But seriously, isn't it at least a possibility that even legitimate channels might be misconceiving of impersonal movements and forces in consciousness as personalized entities? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 15:00:42 GMT -5
Interesting , this gentleman didn't live in the East Bloc.He spoke English with an American accent, and as far as I know our intelligence community at the time considered the Soviets a robust enemy. So it was a surprise to most folks here in the West. But I concede that it is plausible that it was a calculation rather than a psychic event. In regards to overpopulation, not sure who A-H is, but am interested in learning more. The demise of the planet to me seems a race between humanity and Elon Musk. I think Elon is losing. A-H is short for Abraham-Hicks. That's also channeled material, similar to Seth (or more precisely 'Seth 2'). Are you familiar with Seth's 'moment points' concept? This would explain such predictions far into the future. No not familiar. I can look it up if you're not in the mood to explain. Seth 2 right? |
|
.. I have not thought or tried anything, this is just the direction my senses are going towards nowadays.
imagine how the sea monsters on Europa are gonna' feel! 