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Post by laughter on Aug 29, 2017 15:29:22 GMT -5
Oh yes, the dismissing and the reinforcing are all about the outer world of the appearances of form, and more specifically, my relationship as an individual to those appearances. The emptiness meditation refers to a pure witnessing with no reaction, and in which the sense of witnessing itself is long gone, and into which nothing continues to appear.  Ok, I misunderstood the term emptiness meditations then. Is the situation like this: When one starts as "what will come up?" some things (whether personal stuff or maybe what might be called as universal stuff) come up but when one puts attention on attention nothing appears? I am still unfamiliar with meditation. Yes, that's it: the meditation can happen in different ways depending on interest. If I'm interested in content, then what emerges is what emerges. If I'm not interested in content then thoughts stop forming, and all that's left with my eyes closed is whatever sounds are ambient, the feel of my points of contact with the chair and the Earth, and if I'm outside, a breeze. And even some of that starts to fade sometimes. The sounds can seem like they're coming from a long way off and I can actually start to lose the sense of feeling where my body is in contact with what supports it. From your past writing I know you're familiar with this state of minimal internal mental activity, especially during your walks. It's just that I've found sitting with my eyes closed to be particularly informative as to what's happening -- but that's not the only way to a quiet mind. The emptiness mediations were what kept me at it, but this other type that's driven by the content started happening a little over two years ago when I got particularly interested in trying to perceive the exact instant of the inception of a thought. Fun stuff!  |
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Post by bluey on Sept 1, 2017 18:35:15 GMT -5
When tolle talks of the pain body what do you understand by that, when you make love to your partner does she feel your story in her is she free of her own story. Do you meet in stillness in lovemaking? We have talked of tantra in the last few posts. Let's bring in lovemaking, bringing the body's together. As the teachings are being made available to all, and not the setting of the commune or teacher and disciple setting of the Buddhist tradition which teaches celibacy, tradition and discipline. A sage Nick Roach, was interviewed by Shawn who had been with Barry Long. He talks in his book essays in truth of making love in stillness with his partner. An ordinary realised man at work who goes home to his partner after a days work. Where he's not uploading a story in to her as he has no story so no sex ( emotional past or projected future) being added but lovemaking where the body just moves, knows what to do and at first her fear and emotional past, pain body comes to the surface yet he absorbs it through his pe#nis and stillness. No polished words or talk of nirvana, sat purusha, or politics etc to entertain her. Just being present to what is. Where eventually she says I am being loved I am Love. I wait on the most high, where there is an intelligence that keeps any emotionality or negativity which may try to arise at a certain distance where I have realised and continue to realise Love as Nothing. I love without fear and attachment and truly serve the purpose of Love where I have faced my sexuality, my ignorance so my past the imagined separate me where all problems arise where now there is no preparation, no doing, no becoming. Where I align both man and woman with one love , Being, through the love of woman. Tolle's pain body is a conditioned pattern of negative thoughts and emotions caused by past pain that the person has internalized. They've learned that they have to defend themselves, and the body/mind has all sorts of specific ways of getting efficient about that. In this way the past keeps a hold on the present and the future. Specifically, the pain body is always lurking in the background, underneath, hiding. It only comes out into plain site in destructive action in response to a perceived threat. Those moments are opportunities for the person so plagued by the beast to become conscious of it, but that is almost always a difficult and wrenching thing to experience for them. I'm going to decline the invitation to write about the details of my sex life with my wife. It's very beautiful what you've written there. I will repeat what I've written before though: the experience of giving a woman your full, undivided and unconditional attention in a sexual context can be a mind blower if she's open to it. In terms of the vocabulary of the ongoing forum dialogs of late, I don't think that SR is necessary for the type of healing exchange that you're suggesting, but a very fine degree of alignment and situational resonance between the parties involved is. Conversely, I'm willing to bet that there have been plenty of SR peeps who were like, totally lousy lays, and couldn't heal a paper cut with a years free supply of bandaides and bacitracin. But you know what? I'll bet that some of those peeps could have been great teachers with a knack for pointing to the truth. Beautiful post, you have a beautiful expression. I have people who leave books for others. Two books are still on the shelf left for another David Deida, one is Dear Lover and one is Wild Nights. Two good books to share over with a partner. I love wild nights makes me laugh. Two good reads to share with someone you love. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 2, 2017 5:11:50 GMT -5
Tolle's pain body is a conditioned pattern of negative thoughts and emotions caused by past pain that the person has internalized. They've learned that they have to defend themselves, and the body/mind has all sorts of specific ways of getting efficient about that. In this way the past keeps a hold on the present and the future. Specifically, the pain body is always lurking in the background, underneath, hiding. It only comes out into plain site in destructive action in response to a perceived threat. Those moments are opportunities for the person so plagued by the beast to become conscious of it, but that is almost always a difficult and wrenching thing to experience for them. I'm going to decline the invitation to write about the details of my sex life with my wife. It's very beautiful what you've written there. I will repeat what I've written before though: the experience of giving a woman your full, undivided and unconditional attention in a sexual context can be a mind blower if she's open to it. In terms of the vocabulary of the ongoing forum dialogs of late, I don't think that SR is necessary for the type of healing exchange that you're suggesting, but a very fine degree of alignment and situational resonance between the parties involved is. Conversely, I'm willing to bet that there have been plenty of SR peeps who were like, totally lousy lays, and couldn't heal a paper cut with a years free supply of bandaides and bacitracin. But you know what? I'll bet that some of those peeps could have been great teachers with a knack for pointing to the truth. Beautiful post, you have a beautiful expression. I have people who leave books for others. Two books are still on the shelf left for another David Deida, one is Dear Lover and one is Wild Nights. Two good books to share over with a partner. I love wild nights makes me laugh. Two good reads to share with someone you love. Thanks for the recommendations bluey, I'll try to make some time to check them out. |
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Post by zin on Sept 2, 2017 19:03:58 GMT -5
Ok, I misunderstood the term emptiness meditations then. Is the situation like this: When one starts as "what will come up?" some things (whether personal stuff or maybe what might be called as universal stuff) come up but when one puts attention on attention nothing appears? I am still unfamiliar with meditation. Yes, that's it: the meditation can happen in different ways depending on interest. If I'm interested in content, then what emerges is what emerges. If I'm not interested in content then thoughts stop forming, and all that's left with my eyes closed is whatever sounds are ambient, the feel of my points of contact with the chair and the Earth, and if I'm outside, a breeze. And even some of that starts to fade sometimes. The sounds can seem like they're coming from a long way off and I can actually start to lose the sense of feeling where my body is in contact with what supports it. From your past writing I know you're familiar with this state of minimal internal mental activity, especially during your walks. It's just that I've found sitting with my eyes closed to be particularly informative as to what's happening -- but that's not the only way to a quiet mind. The emptiness mediations were what kept me at it, but this other type that's driven by the content started happening a little over two years ago when I got particularly interested in trying to perceive the exact instant of the inception of a thought. Fun stuff! Well, I am a seeker! "Minimal mental activity", yes, but it is usually accompanied by some agenda. Like, I like new things, and I got fascinated by a simple swim mask recently.. OMG, a new world! So I don't know emptiness I guess..  |
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Post by laughter on Sept 3, 2017 2:37:28 GMT -5
Yes, that's it: the meditation can happen in different ways depending on interest. If I'm interested in content, then what emerges is what emerges. If I'm not interested in content then thoughts stop forming, and all that's left with my eyes closed is whatever sounds are ambient, the feel of my points of contact with the chair and the Earth, and if I'm outside, a breeze. And even some of that starts to fade sometimes. The sounds can seem like they're coming from a long way off and I can actually start to lose the sense of feeling where my body is in contact with what supports it. From your past writing I know you're familiar with this state of minimal internal mental activity, especially during your walks. It's just that I've found sitting with my eyes closed to be particularly informative as to what's happening -- but that's not the only way to a quiet mind. The emptiness mediations were what kept me at it, but this other type that's driven by the content started happening a little over two years ago when I got particularly interested in trying to perceive the exact instant of the inception of a thought. Fun stuff! Well, I am a seeker! "Minimal mental activity", yes, but it is usually accompanied by some agenda. Like, I like new things, and I got fascinated by a simple swim mask recently.. OMG, a new world! So I don't know emptiness I guess.. Yeah that's fun stuff too! You know emptiness better than you might imagine, and it's always all around and through-and-through you and everything that appears to you. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 5, 2017 8:04:06 GMT -5
The psychedelic experience vs. mystic experience (2)
Seth: The ego indeed is a fiction, but a highly useful one. It is an artificial division, indeed ever changing, and yet the illusion of its existence must be maintained while you are in this existence. It need not be inflexible, with training. With training it will be willing to grant you much more freedom, and yet it will remain intact.
The psychedelic experience is a most fruitful one. Drugs are not a prerequisite however. In an experience without drugs, the ego loses its substantial quality momentarily. It remains however as a protection. In all our work we have been allowing the nonphysical self more and more freedom. We have been and we are expanding consciousness, and this consciousness includes the ego. We are bringing the ego inward, so to speak. It is partaking of this consciousness expansion. In the past the ego has been overexaggerated. It has ruled the roost. This does not mean that the changing pendulum must now attempt to eliminate the ego. Any expansion of consciousness must also include this portion of the self.
(Session 306)
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Post by Reefs on Sept 6, 2017 10:44:55 GMT -5
The psychedelic experience vs. mystic experience (3)
Seth: The ego will act as a translator of inner experience for you. If such translations contain distortions, they are better than no translations at all, and intuition will allow you to see through the distortions. These will also be sifted of course through the layers of personal subconscious. The experience will still be meaningful without the ego, but it will not be as meaningful, and you will not be able to utilize in efficient manners. It must become a part of the organization of the whole present identity, you see.
It is precisely because the ego is excluded from the psychedelic experience with drugs that difficulties are encountered afterward. Given the opportunity the ego can and does merge with other portions of the self, and yet loosely maintains a psychological framework within which the experience can be translated in your terms.
The psychedelic experience under these circumstances transforms the ego also in beneficial ways. Otherwise the ego is left behind, unable to perform, as a rule now, its primary functions. The ego can organize the old data when it undergoes a psychedelic experience as a part of the whole self. Then it can also organize the new data. A trained and flexible ego will be able to momentarily relinquish its dominancy during the experience itself.
What you must understand is that the psychedelic experience represents but a glimmering of the constant state of the inner self: not constant in terms of something static, however.
(Session 306)
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Post by zin on Sept 6, 2017 19:55:36 GMT -5
Psychic manufacture of the physical environment
As creatures you are a part of nature. The change of thoughts, feelings and beliefs into physical, objectively perceived phenomena is as natural as water changing into ice, for example, or a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. You not only form the structure of your civilizations and social institutions through the transference of beliefs, thoughts and feelings; but in this natural exchange you also help on quite intimate levels in the 'psychic manufacture' of the physical environment itself, with all of its great sweeping variety, and yet seasonal stability.
Medicine men may do a rain dance. They understand the innate relationship that exists within all portions of nature. You are taught to believe that faith can move mountains, yet many of you will find it extremely difficult to accept your own relationship with the environment. Your beliefs (often as opposed to your desires) cause wars. Your feelings represent the inner reality behind what you think of as purely natural phenomena, such as weather.
Catastrophes, such as earthquakes or floods, are not perpetuated by certain elements of nature against other portions of itself. Your feelings have as much natural validity as the tides, and they have their own kind of attraction — mind does move matter. A ring manipulated at a séance under controlled conditions is but the most simple kind of demonstration of the great ability of mind to interact with matter. You each participate in the creation of each thunderstorm, each new spring, each flood, earthquake, and summer rain.
A war is one kind of natural event brought about as feelings and beliefs interact on one level. A natural catastrophe represents the same kind of phenomenon at a different level. Your part in these feelings and beliefs will place you in your own 'natural' position within such events.
(session 664)
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Post by zin on Sept 6, 2017 20:01:47 GMT -5
Well, I am a seeker! "Minimal mental activity", yes, but it is usually accompanied by some agenda. Like, I like new things, and I got fascinated by a simple swim mask recently.. OMG, a new world! So I don't know emptiness I guess.. You know emptiness better than you might imagine, and it's always all around and through-and-through you and everything that appears to you. Ha ha.. sometimes it makes things too much clear though..  |
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2017 3:28:23 GMT -5
Yeah that's fun stuff too! You know emptiness better than you might imagine, and it's always all around and through-and-through you and everything that appears to you. Ha ha.. sometimes it makes things too much clear though.. "my, what pretty legs you have"  |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 10, 2017 10:43:45 GMT -5
Seth Two speaks (4)
Seth Two: Looking into your system, into your physical system, to us is like looking through one, of innumerable windows. These windows are always available to us, as the windows in your room are available to you. In your terms some of the windows would contain probable realities within your physical system. To us one is as real as the other.
We have to select your proper window. You could not understand us if we did not speak through one of your kind. We try to give you information for your benefit and that of your world. It is necessary that we rely upon the mental equipment of the person through whom we speak, and at times we are able to activate the intellectual capacities many times above normal, in order that certain concepts be given. But we must still rely upon the mental structure of the person through whom we speak. This has disadvantages but without the method such communications would not be possible. While the speaker, or speaker-system, necessarily loses many meanings, the very distortions that do occur make the messages decipherable. We have no language in your terms.
Seth, as you know him, is a medium through whom we speak, as Ruburt is a medium through whom Seth as you know him speaks. This is simplified, but basically an adequate explanation. Seth's intellect and abilities are far beyond Ruburt's, and with Seth as you think of him, I can to some degree directly communicate. We dwell in dimensions that are far beyond your comprehension, and in many instances what we say is squeezed, as if through a tube, so that the knowledge may enter the relatively smaller dimensions of your present existence.
It is not that your being exists in a lesser reality. It is that you have not learned to recognize the extent of the reality in which you do exist. So our information must somehow appear within the small scope of what you recognize as reality, or you will not perceive it.
(Session 464)
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Post by Reefs on Sept 10, 2017 10:47:23 GMT -5
Dead matter
Seth: Nothing exists — neither rock, mineral, plant, animal, or air — that is not filled with consciousness of its own kind. So you stand amid a constant vital commotion, a gestalt of aware energy, and you are yourselves physically composed of conscious cells that carry within themselves the realization of their own identity, that cooperate willingly to form the corporeal structure that is your physical body.
I am saying, of course, that there is no such thing as dead matter. There is no object that was not formed by consciousness, and each consciousness, regardless of its degree, rejoices in sensation and creativity. You cannot understand what you are unless you understand such matters.
For convenience's sake, you close out the multitudinous inner communications that leap between the tiniest parts of your flesh, yet even as physical creatures, you are to some extent a portion of other consciousnesses. There are no limitations to the self. There are no limitations to its potentials. You can adopt artificial limitations through your own ignorance, however. You can identify, for example, with your outer ego alone, and cut yourself off from abilities that are a part of you. You can deny, but you cannot change, the facts. The personality is multidimensional, even though many people hide their heads, figuratively speaking, in the sand of three-dimensional existence and pretend there is nothing more.
(Session 512)
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Post by Reefs on Sept 12, 2017 8:20:46 GMT -5
Ego and camouflage
Seth: Now at times I will be using the term "camouflage," referring to the physical world to which the outer ego relates, for physical form is one of the camouflages that reality adopts. The camouflage is real, and yet there is a much greater reality within it — the vitality that gave it form. Your physical senses then allow you to perceive this camouflage, for they are attuned to it in a highly specialized manner. But to sense the reality within the form requires a different sort of attention, and more delicate manipulations than the physical senses provide.
The ego is a jealous god, and it wants its interests served. It does not want to admit the reality of any dimensions except those within which it feels comfortable and can understand. It was meant to be an aid but it has been allowed to become a tyrant. Even so, it is much more resilient and eager to learn than is generally supposed. It is not natively as rigid as it seems. Its curiosity can be of great value.
If you have a limited conception of the nature of reality, then your ego will do its best to keep you in the small enclosed area of your accepted reality. If, on the other hand, your intuitions and creative instincts are allowed freedom, then they communicate some knowledge of greater dimensions to this most physically oriented portion of your personality.
(Session 512)
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Post by Reefs on Sept 17, 2017 6:17:44 GMT -5
State of grace
Seth: The state of grace is a condition in which all growth is effortless, a transparent, joyful acquiescence that is a ground requirement of all existence. Your own body grows naturally and easily from its time of birth, not expecting resistance but taking its miraculous unfolding for granted; using all of itself with great, gracious, creatively aggressive abandon.
You were born into a state of grace, therefore. It is impossible for you to leave it. You will die in a state of grace whether or not special words are spoken for you, or water or oil is poured upon your head. You share this blessing with the animals and all other living things. You cannot "fall out of" grace, nor can it be taken from you.
You can ignore it. You can hold beliefs that blind you to its existence. You will still be graced but unable to perceive your own uniqueness and integrity, and blind also to other attributes with which you are automatically gifted.
(Session 636)
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Post by Reefs on Sept 26, 2017 9:37:44 GMT -5
Seductive goddesses
Seth: A young man I will call Joe wrote Ruburt a letter. He left his home in San Francisco to travel to India to study with a guru. He has been told that sexual desire mitigates against spiritual illumination. His home program involves him with no sex whatsoever. Joe tries desperately to abstain. At the same time, when he meditates and alters his consciousness, he immediately finds himself with a blinding headache, images of nude women, and fantasies of female goddesses out to tempt him from his celibate state. Joe thinks of such images as very wrong. Instead, they are telling him something - that his home program is impoverished, for he has been denying the reality of his being. If he ignores the advice of his psyche, then his journeys into the unknown reality will be highly distorted. Seductive goddesses will follow him wherever he goes.
(Session 717)
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