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Post by steven on Aug 23, 2017 0:00:29 GMT -5
I started reading the Seth Material but it ws a bit boring...too much of the JaneRoberts materialfor my taste...and too many timeswhere she saidthat Seth said much more but we are notwriting it here.
But then I started reading "The Nature ofPersonal Reality" by them.
Its quite good.
Not stunning new revelations, in fact, much of it mirrows my own realizations that I have written about in thisforum many times.
But Seth is sooo much more eloquent that it makes it a very enjoyable read...I highly recomend it, and am suprised that I never heard of it before in my prolific reading days.
Thanks for introducing it to me Reefs ;-)
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Post by zin on Aug 24, 2017 18:41:36 GMT -5
From Chapter 4: This lept out off the page because of the similarity to this and this. It's such a simple suggestion: "get quiet, look inward, see what's there". So for kicks I tried this out. Interesting stuff. This wasn't the first time that I've used meditation as a way to help sort out the contents of my mind in a material sense. It turns out that there can be some VERY practical benefits possible from an open exploration of the question "what is the source of thought?".  The method I used was to examine interests as they arise, and reinforce the ones I wanted to cultivate by deliberately intensifying the state of attention as they came into focus, and analyzing and dismissing the interests I wanted to attenuate. The way I'd describe the effect was as a sort of post-hypnotic suggestion that operated to shift my habits over time. As simple as "get quiet, look inward" is, it turns out that the experience of playing with the content of mind this way varies quite a bit based on what the orientation toward the contents of it is. Despite the obvious difference between the Seth quote and these other ideas, there's really only a little bit of variation in the details ... but wow, the difference in the experience is like a ton of bricks. It was surprising, because I've enough time doing this over the years that I almost overlooked the Seth advice as just more of the same. I'm interested to see what pursing this particular prescription might lead to. To be clear, what I think of as the "emptiness meditations" are far more substantive .. because, well, it's kind of a serious deal.  I think the 'material' of the inner world is made up of the same material with thoughts and feelings but they are not thoughts and feelings anymore there. So imo it's like the reinforcing and dismissing you've mentioned belong to one kind of world and the Seth advice belongs to another one. Which one did you call as emptiness meditations? (I guessed as the second one). The book of this quote will be my second one from Seth books : ) |
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Post by laughter on Aug 24, 2017 21:38:15 GMT -5
From Chapter 4: This lept out off the page because of the similarity to this and this. It's such a simple suggestion: "get quiet, look inward, see what's there". So for kicks I tried this out. Interesting stuff. This wasn't the first time that I've used meditation as a way to help sort out the contents of my mind in a material sense. It turns out that there can be some VERY practical benefits possible from an open exploration of the question "what is the source of thought?". The method I used was to examine interests as they arise, and reinforce the ones I wanted to cultivate by deliberately intensifying the state of attention as they came into focus, and analyzing and dismissing the interests I wanted to attenuate. The way I'd describe the effect was as a sort of post-hypnotic suggestion that operated to shift my habits over time. As simple as "get quiet, look inward" is, it turns out that the experience of playing with the content of mind this way varies quite a bit based on what the orientation toward the contents of it is. Despite the obvious difference between the Seth quote and these other ideas, there's really only a little bit of variation in the details ... but wow, the difference in the experience is like a ton of bricks. It was surprising, because I've enough time doing this over the years that I almost overlooked the Seth advice as just more of the same. I'm interested to see what pursing this particular prescription might lead to. To be clear, what I think of as the "emptiness meditations" are far more substantive .. because, well, it's kind of a serious deal. I think the 'material' of the inner world is made up of the same material with thoughts and feelings but they are not thoughts and feelings anymore there. So imo it's like the reinforcing and dismissing you've mentioned belong to one kind of world and the Seth advice belongs to another one. Which one did you call as emptiness meditations? (I guessed as the second one). The book of this quote will be my second one from Seth books : ) Oh yes, the dismissing and the reinforcing are all about the outer world of the appearances of form, and more specifically, my relationship as an individual to those appearances. The emptiness meditation refers to a pure witnessing with no reaction, and in which the sense of witnessing itself is long gone, and into which nothing continues to appear. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 25, 2017 6:37:46 GMT -5
I started reading the Seth Material but it ws a bit boring...too much of the JaneRoberts materialfor my taste...and too many timeswhere she saidthat Seth said much more but we are notwriting it here. But then I started reading "The Nature ofPersonal Reality" by them. Its quite good. Not stunning new revelations, in fact, much of it mirrows my own realizations that I have written about in thisforum many times. But Seth is sooo much more eloquent that it makes it a very enjoyable read...I highly recomend it, and am suprised that I never heard of it before in my prolific reading days. Thanks for introducing it to me Reefs ;-) Cool. I'm glad you like it. I agree. Nothing fundamentally new but an interesting new angle. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 25, 2017 6:39:28 GMT -5
There you go. This is why 'follow your bliss!' is such good advice. ok, but the obvious pitfall is that peeps get too much of a good thing.  No comprendo. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2017 9:58:01 GMT -5
ok, but the obvious pitfall is that peeps get too much of a good thing. No comprendo. A person might think that they're following their bliss, but most peeps in the trance associate bliss with chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. |
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Post by bluey on Aug 25, 2017 18:30:52 GMT -5
A person might think that they're following their bliss, but most peeps in the trance associate bliss with chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. Absolutely, for some the cure is in the poison. For the American sage joe Miller, his children were taken from him. He never saw them again. Why he said just a simple walk and change of breath, the story of me was seen through. He would often take walks and give out ice cream to children. It may have been what was presented to him, may have been the cause of his many failed marriages after his realisation. As his partners may have had needs, dreams, what was true for them. Seeing this man paint a room to only spend his earnings on giving ice cream to children. As at work I can see not everyone is interested in SR. Most are interested in the Mayweather and mcgregor fight. One has purchased a new Porsche 911. So how to point at That when he is eager to point out the speed of 0-60. Those needs are very real in the story for those who are not interested in SR. That's the beauty of being at work. I don't know the setting of a sage in a commune. Just the working environment. The 9-5. But in the bible the parable of the sower from Jesus he seems to know that not all seekers are interested in waking up even in the satsang and commune setting. This may apply to this forum too. Eckhart once said whilst being interviewed on his accumulation of wealth and his teachings was asked by the interviewer is this like a Big Mac, not the most unique hamburger or the best hamburger but just the best selling, the most successful, because it's the most marketed And he replies ' No these are not the right questions, the only right question is whether if you open the book and you read it there is an inner response'. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 26, 2017 1:18:23 GMT -5
A person might think that they're following their bliss, but most peeps in the trance associate bliss with chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. Absolutely, for some the cure is in the poison. For the American sage joe Miller, his children were taken from him. He never saw them again. Why he said just a simple walk and change of breath, the story of me was seen through. He would often take walks and give out ice cream to children. It may have been what was presented to him, may have been the cause of his many failed marriages after his realisation. As his partners may have had needs, dreams, what was true for them. Seeing this man paint a room to only spend his earnings on giving ice cream to children. As at work I can see not everyone is interested in SR. Most are interested in the Mayweather and mcgregor fight. One has purchased a new Porsche 911. So how to point at That when he is eager to point out the speed of 0-60. Those needs are very real in the story for those who are not interested in SR. That's the beauty of being at work. I don't know the setting of a sage in a commune. Just the working environment. The 9-5. But in the bible the parable of the sower from Jesus he seems to know that not all seekers are interested in waking up even in the satsang and commune setting. This may apply to this forum too. Eckhart once said whilst being interviewed on his accumulation of wealth and his teachings was asked by the interviewer is this like a Big Mac, not the most unique hamburger or the best hamburger but just the best selling, the most successful, because it's the most marketed And he replies ' No these are not the right questions, the only right question is whether if you open the book and you read it there is an inner response'. Yes, Tolle points very clearly away from the entrancing and distracting dance of the dream. He also wrote about how negative emotional states were something that we can learn from, especially as they contrast with the inner expansiveness of a quiet mind that often comes with a relative feeling of calm and a noticeable inner peace, especially for people just starting to follow his suggestions to "watch the thinker". So we can say that what manifests is a double-edged sword of a sort for a seeker, because the world of form can mask with the web of illusion, but ultimately even Tolle's pointing has to reach the seekers eyes by words on a page. I've read enough of Reefs' "follow the bliss" concept to know he's referring to the inner quiescence of flow, and it's a powerful point he makes that this inner quiescence doesn't mean that what's happening around us as it flows might not be spectacularly full of sensory delights. I just wanted to offer the obvious counter-point for how "follow-your-bliss" might go wrong for a typical people peep. Thanks for the vid and taking the time to write bluey. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 26, 2017 23:32:07 GMT -5
A person might think that they're following their bliss, but most peeps in the trance associate bliss with chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. What should they do instead? That's how inner guidance works. By following what you enjoy you automatically fulfill your reason for being. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 26, 2017 23:37:03 GMT -5
A person might think that they're following their bliss, but most peeps in the trance associate bliss with chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. Absolutely, for some the cure is in the poison. For the American sage joe Miller, his children were taken from him. He never saw them again. Why he said just a simple walk and change of breath, the story of me was seen through. He would often take walks and give out ice cream to children. It may have been what was presented to him, may have been the cause of his many failed marriages after his realisation. As his partners may have had needs, dreams, what was true for them. Seeing this man paint a room to only spend his earnings on giving ice cream to children. As at work I can see not everyone is interested in SR. Most are interested in the Mayweather and mcgregor fight. One has purchased a new Porsche 911. So how to point at That when he is eager to point out the speed of 0-60. Those needs are very real in the story for those who are not interested in SR. That's the beauty of being at work. I don't know the setting of a sage in a commune. Just the working environment. The 9-5. But in the bible the parable of the sower from Jesus he seems to know that not all seekers are interested in waking up even in the satsang and commune setting. This may apply to this forum too. Eckhart once said whilst being interviewed on his accumulation of wealth and his teachings was asked by the interviewer is this like a Big Mac, not the most unique hamburger or the best hamburger but just the best selling, the most successful, because it's the most marketed And he replies ' No these are not the right questions, the only right question is whether if you open the book and you read it there is an inner response'. Chop wood, carry water. Buy Porsche, have fun. Exactly the same. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 26, 2017 23:46:27 GMT -5
Seth Two speaks (3)
Seth Two: Knowledge exists as realizations, and realizations presuppose personalities. Knowledge does not exist, ideally, in abstract terms. It is true it must be interpreted in many cases so that it may seem to you that it exists as some sort of isolated principle, ultimately. This is not the case. Knowledge automatically changes the personality and the camouflage structure through which it flows. Knowledge, in other words, is action. There is of course such action taking place in these sessions.
There is nothing, neither knowledge nor beauty nor truth, that exists independently of consciousness or personality. I am not giving you some kind of disembodied knowledge, however. Knowledge itself is conscious. It is not a dead thing transmitted, since it has no meaning without personality and realization, and since it changes the personalities through whom it seems to flow. In changing them it of necessity is part of the awareness of the very cells it alters.
It is not like a liquid that flows through a bowl. It becomes a part of that which contains it, and therefore a part of the consciousness, in your case, of the cells and all of your structures. Words on a printed page for example are not dead, nor are they merely inert symbols. They share the consciousness of the material upon which they are printed and the various individual letters themselves, by their position and reality, make each unique piece of paper upon which they are written original from all others.
The newsprint to this degree has a consciousness, even in this regard. The least information is not inert. All symbols have a meaning therefore in themselves also, and a reality apart from that which they are meant to display. You can see this easily. The painting of a tree, while a symbol for the tree, nevertheless has its own consciousness and reality.
The consciousnesses is composed of the individual consciousnesses that make up the material that is within the painting, and yet there is also a gestalt consciousness that is the result of the artist's overall conception. Anything that an observer learns from looking at the painting is always living knowledge, that alters his own makeup.
Your Seth has helped me out here. You could say that you are merely symbols of your own greater reality, since your own greater reality exists in as many other dimensions as the tree exists from a rendering of it. Yet you are conscious and aware. Therefore behind every actuality in each dimension there are always other actualities and dimensions. Consciousness so varies in degree that as yet you have little real idea of its basic unity and of its endless diversity.
(Session 412)
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2017 23:36:19 GMT -5
A person might think that they're following their bliss, but most peeps in the trance associate bliss with chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. ? That's how inner guidance works. By following what you enjoy you automatically fulfill your reason for being. on the peep and their circumstances. It's just that in relative personal terms, people often find pleasure in self-destructive and otherwise desctructive outlets. The current American opioid epidemic is a prime example. |
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Post by bluey on Aug 28, 2017 20:53:54 GMT -5
Absolutely, for some the cure is in the poison. For the American sage joe Miller, his children were taken from him. He never saw them again. Why he said just a simple walk and change of breath, the story of me was seen through. He would often take walks and give out ice cream to children. It may have been what was presented to him, may have been the cause of his many failed marriages after his realisation. As his partners may have had needs, dreams, what was true for them. Seeing this man paint a room to only spend his earnings on giving ice cream to children. As at work I can see not everyone is interested in SR. Most are interested in the Mayweather and mcgregor fight. One has purchased a new Porsche 911. So how to point at That when he is eager to point out the speed of 0-60. Those needs are very real in the story for those who are not interested in SR. That's the beauty of being at work. I don't know the setting of a sage in a commune. Just the working environment. The 9-5. But in the bible the parable of the sower from Jesus he seems to know that not all seekers are interested in waking up even in the satsang and commune setting. This may apply to this forum too. Eckhart once said whilst being interviewed on his accumulation of wealth and his teachings was asked by the interviewer is this like a Big Mac, not the most unique hamburger or the best hamburger but just the best selling, the most successful, because it's the most marketed And he replies ' No these are not the right questions, the only right question is whether if you open the book and you read it there is an inner response'. Yes, Tolle points very clearly away from the entrancing and distracting dance of the dream. He also wrote about how negative emotional states were something that we can learn from, especially as they contrast with the inner expansiveness of a quiet mind that often comes with a relative feeling of calm and a noticeable inner peace, especially for people just starting to follow his suggestions to "watch the thinker". So we can say that what manifests is a double-edged sword of a sort for a seeker, because the world of form can mask with the web of illusion, but ultimately even Tolle's pointing has to reach the seekers eyes by words on a page. I've read enough of Reefs' "follow the bliss" concept to know he's referring to the inner quiescence of flow, and it's a powerful point he makes that this inner quiescence doesn't mean that what's happening around us as it flows might not be spectacularly full of sensory delights. I just wanted to offer the obvious counter-point for how "follow-your-bliss" might go wrong for a typical people peep. Thanks for the vid and taking the time to write bluey. When tolle talks of the pain body what do you understand by that, when you make love to your partner does she feel your story in her is she free of her own story. Do you meet in stillness in lovemaking? We have talked of tantra in the last few posts. Let's bring in lovemaking, bringing the body's together. As the teachings are being made available to all, and not the setting of the commune or teacher and disciple setting of the Buddhist tradition which teaches celibacy, tradition and discipline. A sage Nick Roach, was interviewed by Shawn who had been with Barry Long. He talks in his book essays in truth of making love in stillness with his partner. An ordinary realised man at work who goes home to his partner after a days work. Where he's not uploading a story in to her as he has no story so no sex ( emotional past or projected future) being added but lovemaking where the body just moves, knows what to do and at first her fear and emotional past, pain body comes to the surface yet he absorbs it through his pe#nis and stillness. No polished words or talk of nirvana, sat purusha, or politics etc to entertain her. Just being present to what is. Where eventually she says I am being loved I am Love. I wait on the most high, where there is an intelligence that keeps any emotionality or negativity which may try to arise at a certain distance where I have realised and continue to realise Love as Nothing. I love without fear and attachment and truly serve the purpose of Love where I have faced my sexuality, my ignorance so my past the imagined separate me where all problems arise where now there is no preparation, no doing, no becoming. Where I align both man and woman with one love , Being, through the love of woman. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 28, 2017 23:24:13 GMT -5
Yes, Tolle points very clearly away from the entrancing and distracting dance of the dream. He also wrote about how negative emotional states were something that we can learn from, especially as they contrast with the inner expansiveness of a quiet mind that often comes with a relative feeling of calm and a noticeable inner peace, especially for people just starting to follow his suggestions to "watch the thinker". So we can say that what manifests is a double-edged sword of a sort for a seeker, because the world of form can mask with the web of illusion, but ultimately even Tolle's pointing has to reach the seekers eyes by words on a page. I've read enough of Reefs' "follow the bliss" concept to know he's referring to the inner quiescence of flow, and it's a powerful point he makes that this inner quiescence doesn't mean that what's happening around us as it flows might not be spectacularly full of sensory delights. I just wanted to offer the obvious counter-point for how "follow-your-bliss" might go wrong for a typical people peep. Thanks for the vid and taking the time to write bluey. When tolle talks of the pain body what do you understand by that, when you make love to your partner does she feel your story in her is she free of her own story. Do you meet in stillness in lovemaking? We have talked of tantra in the last few posts. Let's bring in lovemaking, bringing the body's together. As the teachings are being made available to all, and not the setting of the commune or teacher and disciple setting of the Buddhist tradition which teaches celibacy, tradition and discipline. A sage Nick Roach, was interviewed by Shawn who had been with Barry Long. He talks in his book essays in truth of making love in stillness with his partner. An ordinary realised man at work who goes home to his partner after a days work. Where he's not uploading a story in to her as he has no story so no sex ( emotional past or projected future) being added but lovemaking where the body just moves, knows what to do and at first her fear and emotional past, pain body comes to the surface yet he absorbs it through his pe#nis and stillness. No polished words or talk of nirvana, sat purusha, or politics etc to entertain her. Just being present to what is. Where eventually she says I am being loved I am Love. I wait on the most high, where there is an intelligence that keeps any emotionality or negativity which may try to arise at a certain distance where I have realised and continue to realise Love as Nothing. I love without fear and attachment and truly serve the purpose of Love where I have faced my sexuality, my ignorance so my past the imagined separate me where all problems arise where now there is no preparation, no doing, no becoming. Where I align both man and woman with one love , Being, through the love of woman. Tolle's pain body is a conditioned pattern of negative thoughts and emotions caused by past pain that the person has internalized. They've learned that they have to defend themselves, and the body/mind has all sorts of specific ways of getting efficient about that. In this way the past keeps a hold on the present and the future. Specifically, the pain body is always lurking in the background, underneath, hiding. It only comes out into plain site in destructive action in response to a perceived threat. Those moments are opportunities for the person so plagued by the beast to become conscious of it, but that is almost always a difficult and wrenching thing to experience for them. I'm going to decline the invitation to write about the details of my sex life with my wife. It's very beautiful what you've written there. I will repeat what I've written before though: the experience of giving a woman your full, undivided and unconditional attention in a sexual context can be a mind blower if she's open to it. In terms of the vocabulary of the ongoing forum dialogs of late, I don't think that SR is necessary for the type of healing exchange that you're suggesting, but a very fine degree of alignment and situational resonance between the parties involved is. Conversely, I'm willing to bet that there have been plenty of SR peeps who were like, totally lousy lays, and couldn't heal a paper cut with a years free supply of bandaides and bacitracin. But you know what? I'll bet that some of those peeps could have been great teachers with a knack for pointing to the truth. |
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Post by zin on Aug 29, 2017 9:21:38 GMT -5
I think the 'material' of the inner world is made up of the same material with thoughts and feelings but they are not thoughts and feelings anymore there. So imo it's like the reinforcing and dismissing you've mentioned belong to one kind of world and the Seth advice belongs to another one. Which one did you call as emptiness meditations? (I guessed as the second one). The book of this quote will be my second one from Seth books : ) Oh yes, the dismissing and the reinforcing are all about the outer world of the appearances of form, and more specifically, my relationship as an individual to those appearances. The emptiness meditation refers to a pure witnessing with no reaction, and in which the sense of witnessing itself is long gone, and into which nothing continues to appear. Ok, I misunderstood the term emptiness meditations then. Is the situation like this: When one starts as "what will come up?" some things (whether personal stuff or maybe what might be called as universal stuff) come up but when one puts attention on attention nothing appears? I am still unfamiliar with meditation. |
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The method I used was to examine interests as they arise, and reinforce the ones I wanted to cultivate by deliberately intensifying the state of attention as they came into focus, and analyzing and dismissing the interests I wanted to attenuate. The way I'd describe the effect was as a sort of post-hypnotic suggestion that operated to shift my habits over time.
