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Jan 13, 2024 11:17:51 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Meditation is one of the most boring things a person can do. Cheri Huber

That very thought is actually an excellent opportunity for active self-inquiry.

[stardustpilgrim]

Jan 13, 2024 16:25:12 GMT -5 laughter said:

Jan 13, 2024 11:17:51 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Meditation is one of the most boring things a person can do. Cheri Huber

That very thought is actually an excellent opportunity for active self-inquiry.

Yes, the context is The Big Bamboozle (How you get conned out of the life you want and what to do about it). It's about how thoughts come to take your attention, the conversation in your head. Her not-basic name for the thingy having the conversation (it can take both sides) is the 'voices of egocentric karmic conditioning/self hate'.

But, her point is the 'voekcsh', or simply, the con artist, does not like any state in which it can't steal your attention. So 'voekcsh' doesn't like meditation, because meditation is actually boring, to the con artist. The con artist (what ZD calls the little man in the head), doesn't like boring. Cheri Huber goes through 12 different strategies of the con artist, The Twelve Bamboozles, to steal our attention. The con artist isn't an anything, it's a smoke and mirrors no-thing. Boring is under #1, Distractions.

I was working on the small screen, in ease, I left out the most pertinent part, meditation (or ATA-T) is boring to the con artist.

Her point is, the con artist doesn't exist in the present moment, which is what true meditation is, so the con artist will try to jump in and get you to do something else less boring, like watch TV, or fold the laundry.

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Jan 13, 2024 18:30:07 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Jan 13, 2024 16:25:12 GMT -5 laughter said:

That very thought is actually an excellent opportunity for active self-inquiry.

Yes, the context is The Big Bamboozle (How you get conned out of the life you want and what to do about it). It's about how thoughts come to take your attention, the conversation in your head. Her not-basic name for the thingy having the conversation (it can take both sides) is the 'voices of egocentric karmic conditioning/self hate'.

But, her point is the 'voekcsh', or simply, the con artist, does not like any state in which it can't steal your attention. So 'voekcsh' doesn't like meditation, because meditation is actually boring, to the con artist. The con artist (what ZD calls the little man in the head), doesn't like boring. Cheri Huber goes through 12 different strategies of the con artist, The Twelve Bamboozles, to steal our attention. The con artist isn't an anything, it's a smoke and mirrors no-thing. Boring is under #1, Distractions.

I was working on the small screen, in ease, I left out the most pertinent part, meditation (or ATA-T) is boring to the con artist.

Her point is, the con artist doesn't exist in the present moment, which is what true meditation is, so the con artist will try to jump in and get you to do something else less boring, like watch TV, or fold the laundry.

Yes, very low-hanging fruit on the neti-neti tree.

[stardustpilgrim]

From The Way of Chuang Tzu by Thomas Merton

THE USELESS
Hui Tzu said to Chuang Tzu:
"All your teaching is centered on what has no use."
Chuang replied:
"If you have no appreciation for what has no use
You cannot begin to talk about what can be used.
The earth, for example, is broad and vast
But of all this expanse a man uses only a few inches
Upon which he happens to be standing.
Now suppose you suddenly take away
All that he is not actually using
So that, all around his feet a gulf
Yawns, and he stands in the Void,
With nowhere solid except right under each foot:
How long will he be able to use what he is using?"
Hui Tzu said: "It would cease to serve any purpose."
Chuang Tzu concluded:
"This shows
The absolute necessity
Of what has 'no use.' "
[xxvi. 7.]

[andrew]

[inavalan]

• 15:55 all trying to tackle this fundamental problem and while no
  15:55 one has yet cracked it exciting progress has been made and continues to be made
  --- Anil Seth @ 2023 Holberg Debate
  "Does Consciousness Extend Beyond Brains?" The 2023 Holberg Debate, feat. Seth, Luhrman, & Sheldrake.

This is a funny quote ... How would one know that progress has been made when no solution was found yet?

[stardustpilgrim]

Jan 15, 2024 19:20:22 GMT -5 inavalan said:

• 15:55 all trying to tackle this fundamental problem and while no
  15:55 one has yet cracked it exciting progress has been made and continues to be made
  --- Anil Seth @ 2023 Holberg Debate
  "Does Consciousness Extend Beyond Brains?" The 2023 Holberg Debate, feat. Seth, Luhrman, & Sheldrake.

This is a funny quote ... How would one know that progress has been made when no solution was found yet?

Anil Seth, as far as I know, is a pure scientist. They are rigorous and operate within certain boundaries.

[stardustpilgrim]

Jan 15, 2024 17:04:33 GMT -5 andrew said:

[inavalan]

Jan 15, 2024 19:58:45 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Jan 15, 2024 19:20:22 GMT -5 inavalan said:

• 15:55 all trying to tackle this fundamental problem and while no
  15:55 one has yet cracked it exciting progress has been made and continues to be made
  --- Anil Seth @ 2023 Holberg Debate
  "Does Consciousness Extend Beyond Brains?" The 2023 Holberg Debate, feat. Seth, Luhrman, & Sheldrake.

This is a funny quote ... How would one know that progress has been made when no solution was found yet?

Anil Seth, as far as I know, is a pure scientist. They are rigorous and operate within certain boundaries.

I disagree, but it doesn't matter.

My point wasn't as much that what he said is ridiculous (he doesn't know what the solution is, but he knows that "exciting progress has been made and continues to be made"), but that that's how detrimental beliefs are installed: you believe that you approach the solution / truth, that your work / experience points to the solution / truth, which makes you continue on the same path which could be wrong, filtering out alternatives that aren't congruent with your current "exiting progress", and which would actually lead to the solution / truth.

[inavalan]

Jan 15, 2024 17:04:33 GMT -5 andrew said:

Yes, but what does "shut up" means in this case?

I interpret it to mean: leave aside all your beliefs and expectations, and in a light trance, ask questions and wait for answers to pop into your mind. As asked, the woman's question has embedded in it the assumptions / beliefs that "she has a higher mind", and that "she could hear it speaking to her". She might believe (she probably believes) that she has to empty her mind, and just that might work in 20 years, or never.

The clip seems funny, but we have to go beyond first impressions, if we want to progress. Surely, if you believe that you don't have to progress, or that you can't do anything about that, you won't progress.

[stardustpilgrim]

Jan 15, 2024 22:11:27 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Jan 15, 2024 19:58:45 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Anil Seth, as far as I know, is a pure scientist. They are rigorous and operate within certain boundaries.

I disagree, but it doesn't matter.

My point wasn't as much that what he said is ridiculous (he doesn't know what the solution is, but he knows that "exciting progress has been made and continues to be made"), but that that's how detrimental beliefs are installed: you believe that you approach the solution / truth, that your work / experience points to the solution / truth, which makes you continue on the same path which could be wrong, filtering out alternatives that aren't congruent with your current "exiting progress", and which would actually lead to the solution / truth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions

[andrew]

Jan 15, 2024 22:30:07 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Jan 15, 2024 17:04:33 GMT -5 andrew said:

Yes, but what does "shut up" means in this case?

I interpret it to mean: leave aside all your beliefs and expectations, and in a light trance, ask questions and wait for answers to pop into your mind. As asked, the woman's question has embedded in it the assumptions / beliefs that "she has a higher mind", and that "she could hear it speaking to her". She might believe (she probably believes) that she has to empty her mind, and just that might work in 20 years, or never.

The clip seems funny, but we have to go beyond first impressions, if we want to progress. Surely, if you believe that you don't have to progress, or that you can't do anything about that, you won't progress.

Well, it was just a youtube 'short', so I assume that Bashar expanded beyond that, he generally goes into more depth. But he also likes to throw humor into the mix, which can be useful too.

[stardustpilgrim]

Cheri Huber quotes

1. “The quality of your life is determined by the focus of your attention.”

17. “Be just the way you have always been, with this difference: do not believe any of it, and pay close attention to all of it.”

[inavalan]

“The whole history of science shows us that whenever the educated and scientific men of any age have denied the facts of other investigators on a priori grounds of absurdity or impossibility, the deniers have always been wrong.”



— Alfred Russell Wallace

[sharon]

"If Jesus had a gun he'd be alive today." ~ Homer Simpson.