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Post by Reefs on Sept 21, 2014 5:23:20 GMT -5
Agenda binds and blinds you, limiting you, gives you hopes and expectations. And it's not that I'm against 'agenda'... I just feel lost and empty, things are meaningless and there is no point for boring existence. Where is my zest for life? What is 'you' referring to? Zest for life is your natural state. So if you can't feel that then you either 1) fell out of your natural state (if that is even possible) or you are still in the natural state but there's a misidentification (i.e. you don't know who you really are).
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Post by Reefs on Sept 21, 2014 5:24:30 GMT -5
Ha-ha! Ennui! That's the word! It goes for me like waves of 'ups' and 'downs'. One minute I am all excited and full of sensuality. The other minute makes no sense of being. Where this is coming from? Maybe I should have an agenda and follow it without questioning anything... But my mind keeps me coming back and ask again and again - Who Am I? BTW, some strange thing happened once. I browsed internet and found Ramana Maharshi explaining how to still your mind with this <who am I?> question. And I decided to give it a try simply out of curiosity. That was a very strange experience and scary too... what was scary about it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:13:27 GMT -5
"What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating?" Logically/ideally that could be great! But it will be short lived because each one of mentioned above cannot exist without an opposite background (closing, contracting, controlling, rejecting, expecting). It's like different colors against each other, without diversity there is No-Thing. .. So you have 2 backgrounds going on.. yeah? One that has Awareness waiting and one out front, that you think is contrasting your view?
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Post by quinn on Sept 21, 2014 9:41:30 GMT -5
"What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating?" Logically/ideally that could be great! But it will be short lived because each one of mentioned above cannot exist without an opposite background (closing, contracting, controlling, rejecting, expecting). It's like different colors against each other, without diversity there is No-Thing. Sometimes I think that "All That Is" - a simple game of "hide & seek" in ETERNITY..... There is no escape from this game and we are doomed to play it forever and ever. Don't you think? What kind of "masturbating Mind" is it? Are we real? Or some kind of holograms pretending to be real? My "Ego-I" really wants to know and get to the bottom of this circus..... Hey, soulvitamin. Nice to meet you. You have a lot of great questions. You can call them agenda or a game or whatever description you want, but to me they sound like they come from the heart. Maybe they're coming from where your zest is. Ego-I is the one dismissing them and giving them unflattering names. What's the movement that's actually happening before it gets the name "agenda"?
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Post by enigma on Sept 21, 2014 11:09:02 GMT -5
"What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating?" Logically/ideally that could be great! But it will be short lived because each one of mentioned above cannot exist without an opposite background (closing, contracting, controlling, rejecting, expecting). It's like different colors against each other, without diversity there is No-Thing. Sometimes I think that "All That Is" - a simple game of "hide & seek" in ETERNITY..... There is no escape from this game and we are doomed to play it forever and ever. Don't you think? What kind of "masturbating Mind" is it? Are we real? Or some kind of holograms pretending to be real? My "Ego-I" really wants to know and get to the bottom of this circus..... Yes, you're right.
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 21, 2014 11:22:37 GMT -5
"From my experience, letting the thinking process run wild on these types of questions ultimately led to the recognition that thinking about them would never reveal anything interesting, useful, or even really, final. What eventually informs mind isn't mind, and the informing doesn't involve information or a feeling. Now that might sound like crazy talk -- feel free to flame it! ... but it is, what it is. " Let's toss some ideas! And flame it as well! What else to do...? Ha-ha! IN-FORMATION, for instance, something is forming IN-side? Inside "what", "who"..? And if in"forming" does not involve in"formation" in order to be perceived in a new(refreshed/updated) way, then what is this thing that "forming"... On the other hand - MIND - do we really know what is it? My 'wild guess' would be that MIND is definitely NOT the brain sitting inside of a human skull, or any other skull for that matter. And MIND is everywhere, everywhen, everything - in other words MIND is penetrating "all that is". Nothing exists but MIND itself. In this case MIND = CONSCIOUSNESS or conscious mind. Do you think that GOD(by human's referral) is, actually, MIND..?...
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 21, 2014 12:24:47 GMT -5
"What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating?" Logically/ideally that could be great! But it will be short lived because each one of mentioned above cannot exist without an opposite background (closing, contracting, controlling, rejecting, expecting). It's like different colors against each other, without diversity there is No-Thing. .. So you have 2 backgrounds going on.. yeah? One that has Awareness waiting and one out front, that you think is contrasting your view? In fact, yes! Two backgrounds at the same time, and you can fully perceive only one at a time... Unless... Unless you pretend that you are able to step back and in a detached manner to witness your own "mess"...
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2014 12:25:41 GMT -5
"From my experience, letting the thinking process run wild on these types of questions ultimately led to the recognition that thinking about them would never reveal anything interesting, useful, or even really, final. What eventually informs mind isn't mind, and the informing doesn't involve information or a feeling. Now that might sound like crazy talk -- feel free to flame it! ... but it is, what it is. " Let's toss some ideas! And flame it as well! What else to do...? Ha-ha! IN-FORMATION, for instance, something is forming IN-side? Inside "what", "who"..? And if in"forming" does not involve in"formation" in order to be perceived in a new(refreshed/updated) way, then what is this thing that "forming"... On the other hand - MIND - do we really know what is it? In the way that you've used "mind", there is no informing of it, no. In saying that the informing didn't involve information, I was referring to the source of the process. You could say that I misspoke, as yes, of course, there are ideas and references to facts and emotions involved as the result of the process, but those are secondary, and definitely only an end, and not the means. The processes that we use to communicate with each other are all based on information, and information has as it's basis contrast. As you read this sentence it's the dark of the letters against the white of the screen that is the medium of the information. This split of foreground and background presents us with an inherent limitation, and we're on notice of that limitation by certain ideas, such as ineffability and the notion of the unfathomable. My 'wild guess' would be that MIND is definitely NOT the brain sitting inside of a human skull, or any other skull for that matter. I'd say that that's a good guess, and this sort of guess is definitely related to what I'm referring to by the inherently limiting nature of information. Do you think that GOD(by human's referral) is, actually, MIND..?... God can mean alot of different things to alot of different people, and that brings up one of your other questions that also brings us back to this point of the limited utility of information. Whatever God means to you, is your meaning, and while you might find some other people who seem to agree with your ideas and feelings about God, the very fact of your unique perspective will ensure that your construct is never exactly the same as theirs, no more than my experience of eating an apple can ever be exactly the same as yours. This question is another example of that: Do you see how this is self-inquiry in disguise? Would you agree that to answer the question we first have to answer the underlying question "what are we?" ? This topic is intimately related to that notion of the inherent limitation of information. And MIND is everywhere, everywhen, everything - in other words MIND is penetrating "all that is". Nothing exists but MIND itself. In this case MIND = CONSCIOUSNESS or conscious mind. Notice that whatever idea you hold of mind or consciousness is bounded, and can only be an abstraction of "all that is".
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2014 12:30:17 GMT -5
I browsed internet and found Ramana Maharshi explaining how to still your mind with this <who am I?> question. And I decided to give it a try simply out of curiosity. That was a very strange experience and scary too... sv, I can tell you that the members here would be very interested in hearing of your experience in following this question. If you like, I can tell you of mine, but I've got much more interest in what you'd have to say about it. By your recollection, was your encountering Ramana's recommendation of the question the first time that you seriously and consciously considered it?
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 21, 2014 12:31:21 GMT -5
"What would it be like to step into a relationship with the agenda of opening, expanding, allowing, accepting, appreciating?" Logically/ideally that could be great! But it will be short lived because each one of mentioned above cannot exist without an opposite background (closing, contracting, controlling, rejecting, expecting). It's like different colors against each other, without diversity there is No-Thing. Sometimes I think that "All That Is" - a simple game of "hide & seek" in ETERNITY..... There is no escape from this game and we are doomed to play it forever and ever. Don't you think? What kind of "masturbating Mind" is it? Are we real? Or some kind of holograms pretending to be real? My "Ego-I" really wants to know and get to the bottom of this circus..... Yes, you're right. If I'm right then it is the End of a STORY?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 12:33:50 GMT -5
So you have 2 backgrounds going on.. yeah? One that has Awareness waiting and one out front, that you think is contrasting your view? In fact, yes! Two backgrounds at the same time, and you can fully perceive only one at a time... Unless... Unless you pretend that you are able to step back and in a detached manner to witness your own "mess"... The mess that your perceiving is only expression that isn't centred fully. Relax, honestly.
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Post by laughter on Sept 21, 2014 12:34:54 GMT -5
Yes, you're right. If I'm right then it is the End of a STORY? (** twists the end of handlebar mustache and cackles evilly **)
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 21, 2014 13:11:23 GMT -5
In fact, yes! Two backgrounds at the same time, and you can fully perceive only one at a time... Unless... Unless you pretend that you are able to step back and in a detached manner to witness your own "mess"... The mess that your perceiving is only expression that isn't centred fully. Relax, honestly. Are YOU centered fully by re-acting to this post?
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Post by enigma on Sept 21, 2014 13:28:10 GMT -5
Yes, you're right. If I'm right then it is the End of a STORY? And they all lived happily ever after. Hehe. The solution to the duality problem is, as you may be suggesting, to remove yourself from the equation. I sometimes refer to this as 'coming empty'. It means no needs, expectations, judgments. This is already an expanded state of open, acceptance, but it is not a person trying to do that, but rather the absence of a person trying to do anything.
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Post by soulvitamin on Sept 21, 2014 14:19:04 GMT -5
I browsed internet and found Ramana Maharshi explaining how to still your mind with this <who am I?> question. And I decided to give it a try simply out of curiosity. That was a very strange experience and scary too... sv, I can tell you that the members here would be very interested in hearing of your experience in following this question. If you like, I can tell you of mine, but I've got much more interest in what you'd have to say about it. By your recollection, was your encountering Ramana's recommendation of the question the first time that you seriously and consciously considered it? Nothing is serious and conscious about 'my persona'.... I'm scattered all over and flow like a wild wind, although, there is, I presume, some "hidden agenda" of self- righteousness within. I see it and helpless to change, oh, soooo funny ... Anyway, here it is:
That hot GA state summer afternoon I came across "who am I?" inquiry. Crazy driven by thirsty curiosity, I immediately got inspired and situated myself on bed, simply laying down in position of a star. This way it is very easy to relax completely my body. So, I began breath and repeat this "who am I?" in rhythm. Just like this - 1, 2, 3... 1, 2, 3... - who, am, I... who, am, I... I was not really seriously penetrating the meaning of this question. Suddenly, I am aware that there is no sensation of a body there. Only 'breathing' itself continuously acting on its own. At the same time some random thoughts crossing mind without registering. Next thing I know is a sensation of a " fly caught in a spider web" . Helpless, immovable, metal-concrete and fixed. It seemed as a center of my chest was only living 'thing' and only point or dot, so to speak. Melting brain sensation slowly came over and panic of "END of I" rushed through the space I'd call 'ME'... But there is nothing I could do!!! No body - no move! There is nothing to move! The harder I tried to get my body-sense back, the more inevitable and final was the VERDICT of an END! Jumping Jesus!!! Well, guess what, I had no choice, but let go of trying... As soon as I really gave up, body began appearing to my senses... OMG! I am back!
The End (or Beginning).... whichever you prefer...
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