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Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 10:43:24 GMT -5
"If you can't name your guru, sat-an (anti-truth) is your guru." (Saint Thomas Z.)
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Post by Reefs on Aug 23, 2016 10:36:34 GMT -5
"A real guru, if there is one, frees you from himself." - U.G.
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Post by maxdprophet on Aug 23, 2016 10:44:41 GMT -5
"A real guru, if there is one, frees you from himself." - U.G. Seems to me he tried a bit hard in that department. I'd think a successful guru wouldn't have to be work on freeing students in the end. It'd just be like 'see ya.' JMcKenna boasts that his students simply sidle up to him and say 'I'm done.' UG's schtick from the very outset is like 'DON'T LISTEN TO ME YOU LOSER!' It's very attractive (no joke). |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 23, 2016 10:45:55 GMT -5
Cranky old man syndrome, I guess.  |
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Post by maxdprophet on Aug 23, 2016 10:48:06 GMT -5
Cranky old man syndrome, I guess. GET OFF MY LAWN! YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT! I SHOULD KICK YOU!! |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 24, 2016 10:03:43 GMT -5
Perpetuating the agony of man
UG: The fact is that we don't want to be free. What is responsible for our problems is the fear of losing what we have and what we know. All these therapies, all these techniques, religious or otherwise, are only perpetuating the agony of man.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 21, 2017 9:25:06 GMT -5
The absurdity of sadhana
UG: It is very difficult to make you understand the absurdity of the whole of sadhana. Only a real teacher can find that out and tell you; nobody else. Not those people who interpret the texts and Puranas - all that is totally unrelated. Only such a man can talk. And such a man never encourages any kind of sadhana, because he knows that if this kind of a thing has to happen to somebody, that person will not need the help of anybody, in spite of everything it will happen.
Whatever you are doing is blocking its happening. It is misleading to put it that way, because there is nothing to happen. You don't realize that whatever you are doing is a self-centered activity. Whatever you are doing in any direction is only strengthening or distorting the whole thing. The whole of sadhana is self-centered activity - it is very difficult to understand that. The instrument that you are using is born in the field of cause and effect - it cannot conceive of anything happening without cause and effect - that is why that is not the instrument to understand this, and there is no other instrument.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 21, 2017 9:56:34 GMT -5
There is no river to cross
UG: This is acausal. It is a quantum jump. It jumps from here to there - you cannot link up these things. You put me on the other side of the river. You want to cross in a boat. That boat is a leaky boat, and you will sink. There is no other bank, and there is no river to cross, no boat - it is very difficult for you to understand that. You have created an image and put the image on the other side. I say "No, for goodness sake, I am on the same bank, there is no river to cross, and no boatman is necessary!"
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Post by Reefs on Apr 22, 2017 10:15:13 GMT -5
U.G. visits Ramana
Bhagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi was reading comic strips when U.G. first saw him. At the very first glimpse of him U.G. thought, 'How can this man help me?' As he sat there for two hours, watching the Bhagawan cut vegetables and play with this, that or the other, he wasn't at all surprised to find that all those fancy assertions to the effect that this man's look changed you and that all questions disappeared in his presence, remained fables.
'Is there,' asked U.G., 'anything like enlightenment?' 'Yes, there is,' replied Ramana. 'Are there any levels to it?' The Master replied, 'No, no levels are possible. It is all one thing--either you are there or you are not there at all.' Finally U.G. asked, 'This thing called enlightenment, can you give it to me?' Sri Ramana did not answer. After a pause U.G. repeated the question, 'I am asking you whether you can give me whatever you have?' Looking U.G. in the eyes, Bhagawan replied, 'I can give it to you but can you take it?'
(taken from UG Krishnamurti: A Life)
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 22, 2017 10:50:36 GMT -5
UG's got some great stuff from out on the frayed edges. So much so that the frayed rope can hardly resemble a snake, hehe.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 26, 2017 9:03:20 GMT -5
UG's got some great stuff from out on the frayed edges. So much so that the frayed rope can hardly resemble a snake, hehe. Yeah, UG was one of the clearest teachers out there. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 26, 2017 9:54:54 GMT -5
UG's got some great stuff from out on the frayed edges. So much so that the frayed rope can hardly resemble a snake, hehe. Yeah, UG was one of the clearest teachers out there. UG does tend to rub people peeps wrong, especially when they're concealing messianic feel-good-self models under the guise of "I am freer" in the name of my thinking.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 21:34:49 GMT -5
UG's got some great stuff from out on the frayed edges. So much so that the frayed rope can hardly resemble a snake, hehe. Yeah, UG was one of the clearest teachers out there. UG: "this cannot be brought about through any effort of yours; it just happens." If anyone believes in this nihilism, they might as well pack their bags. There is no point in seeking and practice and therefore there is no point in engaging in spiritual discussion in a forum. There was nothing clear about UG and he never professed to be a teacher. He was cranky though. He was completely at odds with masters such as Niz and Ramana who insisted on practice as well as the teachings of Vedanta itself which specifically offers a route to knowing the Self. UG was an aberration whose cryptic and confused ramblings are attractive to some, but he offered nothing. If anyone thinks there is nothing to do then just live your life. Forget about spirituality. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 26, 2017 23:32:16 GMT -5
Yeah, UG was one of the clearest teachers out there. UG: "this cannot be brought about through any effort of yours; it just happens." If anyone believes in this nihilism, they might as well pack their bags. There is no point in seeking and practice and therefore there is no point in engaging in spiritual discussion in a forum. There was nothing clear about UG and he never professed to be a teacher. He was cranky though. He was completely at odds with masters such as Niz and Ramana who insisted on practice as well as the teachings of Vedanta itself which specifically offers a route to knowing the Self. UG was an aberration whose cryptic and confused ramblings are attractive to some, but he offered nothing. If anyone thinks there is nothing to do then just live your life. Forget about spirituality. I always saw UG as overstating much of what he said, maybe for dramatic effect, and I'm not sure he was really trying to be 'clear' about anything, as that was seen as futile from the start. Having said that, his point seems to be that it doesn't make sense to leave home and set out on a journey in search of your home. There no way to take a step in any direction that will get you closer to your destination. He points to what is here, now, most fundamental, unavoidable if only we can stop packing our bags and going over our maps. I don't think it's right to say he truly felt as though we should ignore our longing and go on with our lives, because he talked endlessly about something other than sports and the latest movies. He just didn't want to point to any of the paths leading away from the front door. He refused to show you a map, give you a method, teach you something that you need to know, because he had been lied to and he didn't want to carry on the tradition of lies. There was a time in my own spiritual search when the momentum stopped, and I looked where I was standing for the first time. I didn't lose the longing, just the need to move in order to try to satisfy it. That stillness; that standing in your own living room and noticing what's there, is highly auspicious. To seek while standing still makes no sense unless you have already arrived at your destination and have failed to notice. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 27, 2017 1:01:34 GMT -5
Yeah, UG was one of the clearest teachers out there. UG does tend to rub people peeps wrong, especially when they're concealing messianic feel-good-self models under the guise of "I am freer" in the name of my thinking. Yes, he seems to enjoy throwing cold water on overheated seeker faces. Some kind of spiritual party pooper that UG. |
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