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Post by topology on May 17, 2014 12:35:56 GMT -5
I do not think you're getting what I'm proposing. In the absence of people attempting to answer the question, the YOU that is there during ATA-MT is answering. It can be said in one word, two, or three at the most. sdp But it can be said best with no words. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 12:38:52 GMT -5
Not conscious of what? sdp of who/what they really are No. The question is why would you stump your toe? sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 12:43:56 GMT -5
It can be said in one word, two, or three at the most. sdp But it can be said best with no words. If we were both present together, it could probably be said without words, maybe, I don't want to mislead anyone. But you are there and I am here, zd told me without even telling me. One, two or three words. What's the Zen stick called? It could be pointed to with the Kyosaku. sdp |
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Post by silver on May 17, 2014 12:52:24 GMT -5
of who/what they really are No. The question is why would you stump your toe? sdp well, fer goodness sakes! are we talkin' metaphysical or physical? people stub their toes because they're 'unconscious' - iow, they are not watching where they are going |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 13:01:42 GMT -5
No. The question is why would you stump your toe? sdp ? people stub their toes because they're 'unconscious' - iow, they are not watching where they are going That's a good question. In the OP I said there one sense to use you, as self, but, there is also ~ you~, as attending, in some sense.I had to be ambiguous so as not to be specific so as not to 'give-it-away'. silver, you are walking all around it. Specifically, put it into words, not conscious of what? sdp |
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Post by silver on May 17, 2014 13:04:07 GMT -5
well, fer goodness sakes! are we talkin' metaphysical or physical? people stub their toes because they're 'unconscious' - iow, they are not watching where they are going That's a good question. In the OP I said there one sense to use you, as self, but, there is also ~ you~, as attending, in some sense.I had to be ambiguous so as not to be specific so as not to 'give-it-away'. silver, you are walking all around it. Specifically, put it into words, not conscious of what? sdp hmmmmm.....not conscious of (didn't I say this earlier?) what we really are? or aren't?  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 13:06:57 GMT -5
When this is missed, it isn't missing. It is something that always exists in the present moment.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 13:09:58 GMT -5
That's a good question. In the OP I said there one sense to use you, as self, but, there is also ~ you~, as attending, in some sense.I had to be ambiguous so as not to be specific so as not to 'give-it-away'. silver, you are walking all around it. Specifically, put it into words, not conscious of what? sdp hmmmmm.....not conscious of (didn't I say this earlier?) what we really are? or aren't? You didn't say what it is about us, this, the word (or two or three) that is the correct answer. Read my last post, that post all but gives it away. sdp |
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Post by silver on May 17, 2014 13:13:22 GMT -5
When this is missed, it isn't missing. It is something that always exists in the present moment.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 13:16:57 GMT -5
When this is missed, it isn't missing. It is something that always exists in the present moment.  ..........  ..........  Believe it or not, I know how you feel. sdp |
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Post by robi on May 17, 2014 13:20:21 GMT -5
I am here! I believe that drawing your attention fully to any one form, whether oneself, or another object will drop you into the space that is now! I have read the thread, saw all the words that are ultimately untrue, as my own words are, and I dropped into that space, and I saw love here!
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Post by silver on May 17, 2014 13:20:57 GMT -5
.......... .......... Believe it or not, I know how you feel. sdp How many millions of times as kids in early school did we get that feeling we're standing toe-to-toe with the 'target answer' but we still can't see it. That's what I'm feeling right now. Well...thanks for laughing with me. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 13:24:32 GMT -5
.......... .......... Believe it or not, I know how you feel. sdp How many millions of times as kids in early school did we get that feeling we're standing toe-to-toe with the 'target answer' but we still can't see it. That's what I'm feeling right now. Well...thanks for laughing with me. Yes. And once you know the answer you can't believe how obvious it is. That's why I will not give the answer, only verify that you've got........but then, that won't be necessary, you will just know......... sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 13:32:51 GMT -5
What's significant is not to recognize the shift from experiencing to not experiencing, this, so as not to be able to answer the question, nobody (excepting zd). sdp Once you get the answer, you will understand more the point, by watching for the shift described above, posted earlier this morning. sdp |
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Post by silver on May 17, 2014 13:41:38 GMT -5
What's significant is not to recognize the shift from experiencing to not experiencing, this, so as not to be able to answer the question, nobody (excepting zd). sdp Once you get the answer, you will understand more the point, by watching for the shift described above, posted earlier this morning. sdp Well okay - last try: being in the present or 'now' - I think robi pretty much said it, too. |
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