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Post by quinn on Apr 25, 2014 16:45:45 GMT -5
Bohm Dialogues were an attempt to facilitate people entering into that stillness through dialogue... I'll check'en out.  .. mostly there was jest givin' Quinny a hard time for the sake of it  Hey, there.  Yeah, I actually love the discussion part. It's supposed to be about the blah blah vicissitudes and some-number of hindrances and the near enemy/far enemy stuff - I'm making fun of it now, but it's actually pretty amazing teachings. But my favorite part is when we veer off into how that all applies to dealing with Uncle Joe who's judgmental or losing one's temper at work, that sort of thing. None of the people I meditate with have any interest in non-duality, and as far as 'entering stillness' - well, really they're all there for different reasons and with different trajectories. You could probably boil it down to 'alleviate suffering' and/or 'gain clarity', though. The actual meditation period is around 1 1/2 hours, plenty long enough. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 18:46:18 GMT -5
I'll check'en out. .. mostly there was jest givin' Quinny a hard time for the sake of it Hey, there. Yeah, I actually love the discussion part. It's supposed to be about the blah blah vicissitudes and some-number of hindrances and the near enemy/far enemy stuff - I'm making fun of it now, but it's actually pretty amazing teachings. But my favorite part is when we veer off into how that all applies to dealing with Uncle Joe who's judgmental or losing one's temper at work, that sort of thing. None of the people I meditate with have any interest in non-duality, and as far as 'entering stillness' - well, really they're all there for different reasons and with different trajectories. You could probably boil it down to 'alleviate suffering' and/or 'gain clarity', though. The actual meditation period is around 1 1/2 hours, plenty long enough. 90 minutes huh ..  .. I'd need a frickin' ritalin iv!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:00:54 GMT -5
Hey, there. Yeah, I actually love the discussion part. It's supposed to be about the blah blah vicissitudes and some-number of hindrances and the near enemy/far enemy stuff - I'm making fun of it now, but it's actually pretty amazing teachings. But my favorite part is when we veer off into how that all applies to dealing with Uncle Joe who's judgmental or losing one's temper at work, that sort of thing. None of the people I meditate with have any interest in non-duality, and as far as 'entering stillness' - well, really they're all there for different reasons and with different trajectories. You could probably boil it down to 'alleviate suffering' and/or 'gain clarity', though. The actual meditation period is around 1 1/2 hours, plenty long enough. 90 minutes huh .. .. I'd need a frickin' ritalin iv! I envy people who can still their minds. Mine is a self-defeating, recursive fear machine. I've read all I can about non-duality and I still haven't found the Golden Ratio. Most days I am just in a sh## load of pain and frustration. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 19:10:54 GMT -5
90 minutes huh .. .. I'd need a frickin' ritalin iv! I envy people who can still their minds. Mine is a self-defeating, recursive fear machine. I've read all I can about non-duality and I still haven't found the Golden Ratio. Most days I am just in a sh## load of pain and frustration. Wow 'bum, sorry to hear that man.  Ever read Tolle? Want to hear the one thing the guy wrote that I credit for silencing the inner nattering nahbob of negativism? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:16:08 GMT -5
I envy people who can still their minds. Mine is a self-defeating, recursive fear machine. I've read all I can about non-duality and I still haven't found the Golden Ratio. Most days I am just in a sh## load of pain and frustration. Wow 'bum, sorry to hear that man. Ever read Tolle? Want to hear the one thing the guy wrote that I credit for silencing the inner nattering nahbob of negativism? I've read Power of Now many times but I just end up arguing with it. What is it that you read? |
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Post by silver on Apr 25, 2014 19:20:34 GMT -5
Wow 'bum, sorry to hear that man. Ever read Tolle? Want to hear the one thing the guy wrote that I credit for silencing the inner nattering nahbob of negativism? I've read Power of Now many times but I just end up arguing with it. What is it that you read? I thought TPON (The Power of Now) was gonna be The Book, but Tolle's A New Earth (ANE) was far better...did you read that one? |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 19:20:45 GMT -5
Wow 'bum, sorry to hear that man. Ever read Tolle? Want to hear the one thing the guy wrote that I credit for silencing the inner nattering nahbob of negativism? I've read Power of Now many times but I just end up arguing with it. What is it that you read? So have you ever tried his prescription to "watch the thinker"? .. to pay attention to the space between thoughts? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:22:20 GMT -5
I've read Power of Now many times but I just end up arguing with it. What is it that you read? I thought TPON (The Power of Now) was gonna be The Book, but Tolle's A New Earth (ANE) was far better...did you read that one? yeah I've read both |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:26:51 GMT -5
I've read Power of Now many times but I just end up arguing with it. What is it that you read? So have you ever tried his prescription to "watch the thinker"? .. to pay attention to the space between thoughts? I've tried, but it is difficult because I just get absorbed in the mind. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 19:37:11 GMT -5
So have you ever tried his prescription to "watch the thinker"? .. to pay attention to the space between thoughts? I've tried, but it is difficult because I just get absorbed in the mind. ah, ok ok .. well I'm pretty sure that what I'm gonna' write about next is what the frog calls a "split mind" practice, but looking back it sure seemed to do wonders for me in silencing the narrative, and it's based on that one Tolle quote I alluded to. Do you feel comfortable giving a general example of a thought typically generated by the "self-defeating fear machine"? |
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Post by quinn on Apr 25, 2014 19:45:09 GMT -5
90 minutes huh .. .. I'd need a frickin' ritalin iv! I envy people who can still their minds. Mine is a self-defeating, recursive fear machine. I've read all I can about non-duality and I still haven't found the Golden Ratio. Most days I am just in a sh## load of pain and frustration. Who said anything about a still mind? It's just relatively quiet - relative to how it used to be. Don't let that self-defeating b@stard-machine tell you "Hey, other people can still their minds, but you can't." It's a lie. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:46:38 GMT -5
I've tried, but it is difficult because I just get absorbed in the mind. ah, ok ok .. well I'm pretty sure that what I'm gonna' write about next is what the frog calls a "split mind" practice, but looking back it sure seemed to do wonders for me in silencing the narrative, and it's based on that one Tolle quote I alluded to. Do you feel comfortable giving a general example of a thought typically generated by the "self-defeating fear machine"? Sure. "Inner peace must be some kind of delusion, since conflict is inherent in life" Now, I don't want to conjecture about the truth value of the statement, I just know that it is typical of my thinking. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 19:46:54 GMT -5
I envy people who can still their minds. Mine is a self-defeating, recursive fear machine. I've read all I can about non-duality and I still haven't found the Golden Ratio. Most days I am just in a sh## load of pain and frustration. Who said anything about a still mind? It's just relatively quiet - relative to how it used to be. Don't let that self-defeating b@stard-machine tell you "Hey, other people can still their minds, but you can't." It's a lie. yup |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 19:47:34 GMT -5
ah, ok ok .. well I'm pretty sure that what I'm gonna' write about next is what the frog calls a "split mind" practice, but looking back it sure seemed to do wonders for me in silencing the narrative, and it's based on that one Tolle quote I alluded to. Do you feel comfortable giving a general example of a thought typically generated by the "self-defeating fear machine"? Sure. "Inner peace must be some kind of delusion, since conflict is inherent in life" Now, I don't want to conjecture about the truth value of the statement, I just know that it is typical of my thinking. Would it be fair to characterize the thought as negative? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 19:58:14 GMT -5
So have you ever tried his prescription to "watch the thinker"? .. to pay attention to the space between thoughts? I've tried, but it is difficult because I just get absorbed in the mind. Thats okay, there is nothing that says you have failed if you go from being aware of mind movements to being absorbed by them...when you realize that you got absorbed, just chuckle it off, FORGIVE YOURSELF, and go back to being aware of thoughts for as long as it lasts. Just keep returning, and eventually it will become more common that you aware than unaware, just persist, without beating yourself up. Some methods that are pretty good for dealing with incessant thinking: 1. Watch VERY alertly for each thought to appear, try to catch the moment it appears, like you are watching for a drop of water to drip from the faucet so you can catch it....just watch intently. 2. See your thoughts as clouds passing through a clear blue sky...just watch the thoughts pass by in the distant spaciousness of the sky. 3. Imagine an empty space inside your tongue, a totally empty void, and focus your attention on the dark empty void inside your tongue. 4. Sit quietly and focus on the breath moving in and out, see where the natural 'thresholds are where the breath turns from in to out, and out to in, then consciously breath in a little deeper than normal, and breath out a little further than normal, do this for ten breaths, counting each breath, on the 11th breath, and each one after that, continue to breath in a little deeper than normal, and out a little further than normal, but instead of counting, each time you breath out, when the outward breath has gone below the normal threshold for outward breath, give a sharp little exhale by pulling the belly button inward, and just STOP all movement of breath for just a moment. Repeat that on each breath. (Make sure you are BELLY BUTTON breathing, NOT CHEST breathing in this practice, this is VERY important. All of these will make a kind of 'space', or a gap...keep coming back to that gap, and centering your attention on it, and the space will increase, while the volume of the BS in life gets turned down ;-) |
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