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Post by silver on Apr 25, 2014 12:20:47 GMT -5
Will somebody move this over to the UM section, please?  why do you persist in trying to hide things?  Hide? I want to chew you out! That was no pity party,man.  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 12:23:28 GMT -5
Disturbingly Destructive Deviants Demolishing Deviousness. All in 3D+ Would make a great business card! |
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Post by laughter on Apr 25, 2014 12:25:43 GMT -5
It was your suggestion that he'd already done that. :-) sorry, my intellectual capacity to follow these kind of conversations may be slipping. Or maybe I'm just getting old or somethin lol WIBIGO: copout dodge.  |
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Post by quinn on Apr 25, 2014 12:27:57 GMT -5
Haha! Read this just before I left for meditation group and it kept popping up in my sit. I never heard 'lung dart' before - it's perfect! Darts cut in half, so far. Excellent, really great news. It seems to be moving in a positive direction. Also, some twisted thinking has been uncovered and the effects of that are still moving around. We'll see though - I have a history of deviousness in this particular area. whelp, when ya's ready fer the wreckin' crew, you know where to find'em .. I've gotjer number.  (Thanks for the thumbs up!) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:32:00 GMT -5
Did I get this right, you are a meditation teacher that suffers from insomnia? And that seems odder to you than a meditation teacher with emphysema who sucks down lung darts? (I'm a substitute meditation teacher - only when the teacher's not there. And then I don't actually 'teach', I usually turn it into a group discussion.) Deep meditative states can replace sleep, so one would think that insomnia may ensue kinda commonly in a beginning to middling meditator that is meditating regularly. Quinn, if you are not already, try to ever increase the alertness in your meditation sessions. Ever INCREASE it no matter how alert you feel. EKG's have shown that in beginning to moderate meditators,the brain waves that represent relaxation are more prevalent in more parts of the brain than they are in a non-meditation. Like the whole brain lights up with those relation brain waves. But a very small percentage of meditators, in the most 'advanced' state of meditation, have nearly equal occurrence of both relation type brain waves, and a kind of brain wave associated with hyper alertness all going on at the same time...and a much larger percentage of the overall brain is activated by both types of waves than is activated in just about any other type of activity....more of the brain lights up with simultaneous relation and hyper alert brain waves in the deepest kinds of meditation. Alertness is not often emphasized enough in meditation classes these days, cause so many people focus on the stress relieving aspect of meditation...the result is a kinda relaxing trancelike meditation, that if practiced often, can lead to insomnia. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:33:40 GMT -5
why do you persist in trying to hide things? Hide? I want to chew you out! That was no pity party,man. ha! I'll meet you in odds n sods anytime yer feeling spunky. but not now (so that opening line was a lie I guess), I'm pooped. caffeine and nicotine only go so far (which is likely the cause of my recent sleep woes anyways). its a vicious cycle I tell ya, a catch22, a non meditative sleep kerfuffle... ;-) |
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Post by quinn on Apr 25, 2014 12:34:45 GMT -5
And that seems odder to you than a meditation teacher with emphysema who sucks down lung darts? (I'm a substitute meditation teacher - only when the teacher's not there. And then I don't actually 'teach', I usually turn it into a group discussion.) Here comes the sub!! You're like the Charles Bukowski of meditation teachers... I don't know where you found a poet known for 'Dirty Realism' and 'Transgressive Fiction' (not to mention a newspaper column "Notes From a Dirty Old Man"), but I'll take that as a compliment.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:40:40 GMT -5
:-) sorry, my intellectual capacity to follow these kind of conversations may be slipping. Or maybe I'm just getting old or somethin lol WIBIGO: copout dodge. The copout dodge disguised as forgetfulness or lack of intellectual power is a tricky one. In the taxonomy of WIBIGO defense mechanisms I'm not sure which phyla it goes into. It is possible that the words being used are not being digested well for reasons of lacking vocabulary or familiarity with sentence structure.... In other words, the 'dodge' aspect could be unconsciously intentional or just a computational problem. Certainly 'feigning obliviousness' is a form of dishonesty. From personal experience, I'm embarrassed to report, it does appear to be genuine obliviousness in the moment, and is claimed sincerely and honestly. In retrospect, with focused introspection, it is seen that all the experience and memory was there to be drawn on to suggest that there was no actual obliviousness. In other words, I think it can be a temporary condition that is a perfect storm of the fight/flight reflex combined with some sort of judicious amnesia which wipes out the momentary use of amnesia itself as a defense mechanism. notsureifi'mmakingmyselfclear |
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Post by quinn on Apr 25, 2014 12:44:03 GMT -5
And that seems odder to you than a meditation teacher with emphysema who sucks down lung darts? (I'm a substitute meditation teacher - only when the teacher's not there. And then I don't actually 'teach', I usually turn it into a group discussion.)  What's the face palm about? I thought you and Reefs value precision. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:47:00 GMT -5
Here comes the sub!! You're like the Charles Bukowski of meditation teachers... I don't know where you found a poet known for 'Dirty Realism' and 'Transgressive Fiction' (not to mention a newspaper column "Notes From a Dirty Old Man"), but I'll take that as a compliment. Yes it's definitely a compliment. I'd rather someone teaching meditation is coming off the frontlines of a cig break than from a patchouli scented hot tub with Yanni. |
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Post by quinn on Apr 25, 2014 12:48:19 GMT -5
Deep meditative states can replace sleep, so one would think that insomnia may ensue kinda commonly in a beginning to middling meditator that is meditating regularly. Quinn, if you are not already, try to ever increase the alertness in your meditation sessions. Ever INCREASE it no matter how alert you feel. EKG's have shown that in beginning to moderate meditators,the brain waves that represent relaxation are more prevalent in more parts of the brain than they are in a non-meditation. Like the whole brain lights up with those relation brain waves. But a very small percentage of meditators, in the most 'advanced' state of meditation, have nearly equal occurrence of both relation type brain waves, and a kind of brain wave associated with hyper alertness all going on at the same time...and a much larger percentage of the overall brain is activated by both types of waves than is activated in just about any other type of activity....more of the brain lights up with simultaneous relation and hyper alert brain waves in the deepest kinds of meditation. Alertness is not often emphasized enough in meditation classes these days, cause so many people focus on the stress relieving aspect of meditation...the result is a kinda relaxing trancelike meditation, that if practiced often, can lead to insomnia. Yeah, thanks Steve. That's something we've noticed, too. The local gyms are offering meditation classes for the health benefits. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the type we're doing. My meditations are rarely relaxing. |
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Post by teetown on Apr 25, 2014 12:50:07 GMT -5
whelp, when ya's ready fer the wreckin' crew, you know where to find'em ..  Tzu was right! You guys are in a gang! ST.org Wreckin' Crew 4 Lyfe! |
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Post by silver on Apr 25, 2014 12:54:34 GMT -5
What's the face palm about? I thought you and Reefs value precision. It's times like these I give up trying to figure him out. It's a lot less wear and tear.  |
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Post by silver on Apr 25, 2014 12:55:38 GMT -5
Deep meditative states can replace sleep, so one would think that insomnia may ensue kinda commonly in a beginning to middling meditator that is meditating regularly. Quinn, if you are not already, try to ever increase the alertness in your meditation sessions. Ever INCREASE it no matter how alert you feel. EKG's have shown that in beginning to moderate meditators,the brain waves that represent relaxation are more prevalent in more parts of the brain than they are in a non-meditation. Like the whole brain lights up with those relation brain waves. But a very small percentage of meditators, in the most 'advanced' state of meditation, have nearly equal occurrence of both relation type brain waves, and a kind of brain wave associated with hyper alertness all going on at the same time...and a much larger percentage of the overall brain is activated by both types of waves than is activated in just about any other type of activity....more of the brain lights up with simultaneous relation and hyper alert brain waves in the deepest kinds of meditation. Alertness is not often emphasized enough in meditation classes these days, cause so many people focus on the stress relieving aspect of meditation...the result is a kinda relaxing trancelike meditation, that if practiced often, can lead to insomnia. Yeah, thanks Steve. That's something we've noticed, too. The local gyms are offering meditation classes for the health benefits. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the type we're doing. My meditations are rarely relaxing. Sounds like my kind of meditation! Yeehaah! |
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Post by quinn on Apr 25, 2014 13:10:06 GMT -5
Deep meditative states can replace sleep, so one would think that insomnia may ensue kinda commonly in a beginning to middling meditator that is meditating regularly. Quinn, if you are not already, try to ever increase the alertness in your meditation sessions. Ever INCREASE it no matter how alert you feel. EKG's have shown that in beginning to moderate meditators,the brain waves that represent relaxation are more prevalent in more parts of the brain than they are in a non-meditation. Like the whole brain lights up with those relation brain waves. But a very small percentage of meditators, in the most 'advanced' state of meditation, have nearly equal occurrence of both relation type brain waves, and a kind of brain wave associated with hyper alertness all going on at the same time...and a much larger percentage of the overall brain is activated by both types of waves than is activated in just about any other type of activity....more of the brain lights up with simultaneous relation and hyper alert brain waves in the deepest kinds of meditation. Alertness is not often emphasized enough in meditation classes these days, cause so many people focus on the stress relieving aspect of meditation...the result is a kinda relaxing trancelike meditation, that if practiced often, can lead to insomnia. Another thought about this: Interesting that my sleep patterns are being affected by hypnotic suggestion. It's kind of a given in meditation circles that you can need less sleep if you meditate a lot. Also, it's common thought that the older you get, the less sleep you need. But look at what's happening by merely addressing thoughts like the hypnotist is doing. 'Thoughts create reality' isn't just a platitude. |
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