Movies

[lolly]

Nov 12, 2015 22:11:22 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Peeps should be told that "My Dinner with Andre" is highly intellectual and probably too slow to hold most people's attention. Almost the entire movie is one long conversation between two men at a dinner table about existential issues. I wanted to see the movie when it first came out, but our video store wouldn't order it because there was no demand for it. I began asking my friends to call the store and ask if they had the movie. Two weeks later the guy who owned the store called me and asked if I was still interested in renting the movie. I immediately went to the store to rent it, and the guy said, "I can't figure it out. All kinds of people have been calling and asking about this movie, so I ordered it. Yet, everything I read tells me that the movie is incredibly boring." It was all I could do to keep from laughing.

I liked the flick, and Lolly has done a good job of describing some of the issues that the movie deals with.

Lets reframe this.  The film is intellectual discusses things like the boundary between madness and sanity in relation to hallucination and subjective perception, and reflects social tensions like acceptability, non-conformity, and the ingrained paradox of the passive aggression of egalitarian ruthlessness, and because it has no explicit violence, explosions, car chases, , disaster, emotional devastation, melodrama, emotive soundtrack or iconic heroism (the Hollywood genre formula) which the audience has been trained to expect, people won't understand it,  because they're numb, stupified, conditioned consumers, who don't get it unless it's overstated, over acted, looks like a genre which they can predict, and the goody ends up with the girl.

I read a couple of reviews that called it slow moving or boring and my critique of the critics is this:  It went right over their heads.

[maxdprophet]

Nov 13, 2015 5:06:43 GMT -5 lolly said:

Nov 12, 2015 22:11:22 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Peeps should be told that "My Dinner with Andre" is highly intellectual and probably too slow to hold most people's attention. Almost the entire movie is one long conversation between two men at a dinner table about existential issues. I wanted to see the movie when it first came out, but our video store wouldn't order it because there was no demand for it. I began asking my friends to call the store and ask if they had the movie. Two weeks later the guy who owned the store called me and asked if I was still interested in renting the movie. I immediately went to the store to rent it, and the guy said, "I can't figure it out. All kinds of people have been calling and asking about this movie, so I ordered it. Yet, everything I read tells me that the movie is incredibly boring." It was all I could do to keep from laughing.

I liked the flick, and Lolly has done a good job of describing some of the issues that the movie deals with.

Lets reframe this.  The film is intellectual discusses things like the boundary between madness and sanity in relation to hallucination and subjective perception, and reflects social tensions like acceptability, non-conformity, and the ingrained paradox of the passive aggression of egalitarian ruthlessness, and because it has no explicit violence, explosions, car chases, , disaster, emotional devastation, melodrama, emotive soundtrack or iconic heroism (the Hollywood genre formula) which the audience has been trained to expect, people won't understand it,  because they're numb, stupified, conditioned consumers, who don't get it unless it's overstated, over acted, looks like a genre which they can predict, and the goody ends up with the girl.

I read a couple of reviews that called it slow moving or boring and my critique of the critics is this:  It went right over their heads.

It's been a long time since I've seen the movie.  I saw it more as an interaction between an exceptional storyteller of himself (andre) and his exploits vs just a normal guy who likes to read the paper with coffee in the morning.  Andre is touching base with his simple pal to update him on all his recent mindblowing adventures.  It's not necessarily a movie judging one way or the other, but I think Wally's sometimes stupefied smirk is enough. 

I don't think of it as an intellectual movie, but ZD is right folks need to know it's basically a conversation (at Dinner).  Mindwalk was another cool conversation movie (but intellectual and lacking the contrast).

[stardustpilgrim]

Nov 13, 2015 5:06:43 GMT -5 lolly said:

Nov 12, 2015 22:11:22 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Peeps should be told that "My Dinner with Andre" is highly intellectual and probably too slow to hold most people's attention. Almost the entire movie is one long conversation between two men at a dinner table about existential issues. I wanted to see the movie when it first came out, but our video store wouldn't order it because there was no demand for it. I began asking my friends to call the store and ask if they had the movie. Two weeks later the guy who owned the store called me and asked if I was still interested in renting the movie. I immediately went to the store to rent it, and the guy said, "I can't figure it out. All kinds of people have been calling and asking about this movie, so I ordered it. Yet, everything I read tells me that the movie is incredibly boring." It was all I could do to keep from laughing.

I liked the flick, and Lolly has done a good job of describing some of the issues that the movie deals with.

Lets reframe this.  The film is intellectual discusses things like the boundary between madness and sanity in relation to hallucination and subjective perception, and reflects social tensions like acceptability, non-conformity, and the ingrained paradox of the passive aggression of egalitarian ruthlessness, and because it has no explicit violence, explosions, car chases, , disaster, emotional devastation, melodrama, emotive soundtrack or iconic heroism (the Hollywood genre formula) which the audience has been trained to expect, people won't understand it,  because they're numb, stupified, conditioned consumers, who don't get it unless it's overstated, over acted, looks like a genre which they can predict, and the goody ends up with the girl.

I read a couple of reviews that called it slow moving or boring and my critique of the critics is this:  It went right over their heads.

I don't see how you got any of that out of the film. I guess you think the people at Findhorn were bat-sh!t crazy? ......and fairies don't really exist? Wally.

[silver]

I'm playin' hell to find in this thread where sdp recommended the movie Buck to me, and I just finished watching it...being that it was about horses and the 'horse whisperer' guy (one of 'em), it was wonderful.  And I'm about to start in watching Mel Gibson's Apocalypto and it did get a lot of negative reactions and reviews, but it sounded good to me.  Fwiw.

[stardustpilgrim]

Dec 10, 2015 18:10:50 GMT -5 silver said:

I'm playin' hell to find in this thread where sdp recommended the movie Buck to me, and I just finished watching it...being that it was about horses and the 'horse whisperer' guy (one of 'em), it was wonderful.  And I'm about to start in watching Mel Gibson's Apocalypto and it did get a lot of negative reactions and reviews, but it sounded good to me.  Fwiw.

Hey silver, I think it was on the I Am the World thread (not here anyway) that I mentioned Buck. Somebody said that to subdue is always is a matter of control, coercion. I said, watch the film Buck.

[Deleted]

Dec 10, 2015 18:10:50 GMT -5 silver said:

I'm playin' hell to find in this thread where sdp recommended the movie Buck to me, and I just finished watching it...being that it was about horses and the 'horse whisperer' guy (one of 'em), it was wonderful.  And I'm about to start in watching Mel Gibson's Apocalypto and it did get a lot of negative reactions and reviews, but it sounded good to me.  Fwiw.

Apocalypto is explicitly violent

[silver]

Dec 10, 2015 18:21:28 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Dec 10, 2015 18:10:50 GMT -5 silver said:

I'm playin' hell to find in this thread where sdp recommended the movie Buck to me, and I just finished watching it...being that it was about horses and the 'horse whisperer' guy (one of 'em), it was wonderful.  And I'm about to start in watching Mel Gibson's Apocalypto and it did get a lot of negative reactions and reviews, but it sounded good to me.  Fwiw.

Hey silver, I think it was on the I Am the World thread (not here anyway) that I mentioned Buck. Somebody said that to subdue is always is a matter of control, coercion. I said, watch the film Buck.

Yes!  He says something to the effect of (among other things) that training them / working with horses, is like a dance...it IS a form of communication - with Buck's method - not like they used to do TO horses - the old-fashioned way is definitely a very very harsh form of control and coercion.

[silver]

Dec 10, 2015 18:28:33 GMT -5 @farmer said:

Dec 10, 2015 18:10:50 GMT -5 silver said:

I'm playin' hell to find in this thread where sdp recommended the movie Buck to me, and I just finished watching it...being that it was about horses and the 'horse whisperer' guy (one of 'em), it was wonderful.  And I'm about to start in watching Mel Gibson's Apocalypto and it did get a lot of negative reactions and reviews, but it sounded good to me.  Fwiw.

Apocalypto is explicitly violent

It wasn't all that bad.  At least it wasn't boring - His Jesus movie was! 

[stardustpilgrim]

Dec 10, 2015 18:44:06 GMT -5 silver said:

Dec 10, 2015 18:21:28 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Hey silver, I think it was on the I Am the World thread (not here anyway) that I mentioned Buck. Somebody said that to subdue is always is a matter of control, coercion. I said, watch the film Buck.

Yes!  He says something to the effect of (among other things) that training them / working with horses, is like a dance...it IS a form of communication - with Buck's method - not like they used to do TO horses - the old-fashioned way is definitely a very very harsh form of control and coercion.

Yes, Buck is able to ~speak the language~ of horses. I think this was precisely because he was abused as a child and up as a teenager (along with his brother). He is sensitive to horses because he does not wish to treat them as he was treated. It's a beautiful story of his recovery from being abused.

[laughter]

Nov 12, 2015 22:11:22 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Peeps should be told that "My Dinner with Andre" is highly intellectual and probably too slow to hold most people's attention. Almost the entire movie is one long conversation between two men at a dinner table about existential issues. I wanted to see the movie when it first came out, but our video store wouldn't order it because there was no demand for it. I began asking my friends to call the store and ask if they had the movie. Two weeks later the guy who owned the store called me and asked if I was still interested in renting the movie. I immediately went to the store to rent it, and the guy said, "I can't figure it out. All kinds of people have been calling and asking about this movie, so I ordered it. Yet, everything I read tells me that the movie is incredibly boring." It was all I could do to keep from laughing.

I liked the flick, and Lolly has done a good job of describing some of the issues that the movie deals with.

I'll have to re-watch it 'cause when we saw it all we could do was parody the situation because most of the dialogue went way over our heads. It still was fun and funny to watch.

[laughter]

The material of "Testament of Youth" sort of speaks for itself, and it's really well executed.



Funny thing is, I had no idea what I was bringing home. I just know that Sue likes Kit and the last thing we'd seen was "Terminator", so I owed her one. The substance of the film was of course, a welcome surprise.

Also based on actual events is Ethan Hawk's "Good Kill". While perhaps not as realistic in places as "Testament", it's just as powerful.

[stardustpilgrim]

Dec 31, 2015 7:46:09 GMT -5 laughter said:

The material of "Testament of Youth" sort of speaks for itself, and it's really well executed.



Funny thing is, I had no idea what I was bringing home. I just know that Sue likes Kit and the last thing we'd seen was "Terminator", so I owed her one. The substance of the film was of course, a welcome surprise.

Also based on actual events is Ethan Hawk's "Good Kill". While perhaps not as realistic in places as "Testament", it's just as powerful.

Yes, I saw it in the theater. I had seen Ex Machina in the theater, earlier, and fell in love with the Machina. I looked at the credits and noted the name of the actress, Alicia Vikander. So I looked her up to see if she had done anything else or if anything else was coming out. So, I was looking for Testament of Youth. I thought it exceptionally good, and she was virtually in every scene. That it's based on a true story made it all the better.

Next she was in the new The Man From UNCLE, she was the girl from Uncle, sort of. I would have seen it anyway, it was probably my favorite TV show back then. She was good in it also.

Next one, I'm not sure, I'll see. She has been nominated for a Golden Globe, best actress I think. She's also nominated for a Golden Globe for best supporting actress for Ex Machina (or the two vice versa, don't really remember, probably vice versa). But in the other film she plays the wife of one of the first sex change dude to dudesse, The Danish Girl. Eddie Redmayne, the guy who won Oscar for Stephen Hawking last year, might win again, as the Danish Girl. ......But I'll probably have to see, Vikander's supposed to be amazing in it too. I think her first An earlier film was a period piece...no plan to see it... She's supposed to have six films out...in a year,....Oh yea, she was in Seventh Son, came out in 2014. Jeff Bridges, the lead. When I found out she was in it, I rented it. It's wasn't bad. She played a sort of........no spoilers....in case..... Oh, she's going to also be in the new Jason Bourne (Matt Damon) film coming out this year.....

OK....I'll stop drooling.......

[silver]

Dec 10, 2015 22:39:03 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Dec 10, 2015 18:44:06 GMT -5 silver said:

Yes!  He says something to the effect of (among other things) that training them / working with horses, is like a dance...it IS a form of communication - with Buck's method - not like they used to do TO horses - the old-fashioned way is definitely a very very harsh form of control and coercion.

Yes, Buck is able to ~speak the language~ of horses. I think this was precisely because he was abused as a child and up as a teenager (along with his brother). He is sensitive to horses because he does not wish to treat them as he was treated. It's a beautiful story of his recovery from being abused.

I keep thinking about your comments, and it's the path of least resistance in deciding how Buck came to be such a natural with the animals.  There is something in explicable about how some people love certain animals like horses from a very early age and I never was one to give reincarnation much thought, but somehow it seems like the only explanation (if you feel you need one) for such a deep love and connection to specific animals, or animals in general.  I was also abused as a child, but I don't use it to explain any particular thing, really.  It's too convenient to do that for some who's never been there, to explain away the realities.

But anyway, I just caught the trailer for Revenant, with Di Caprio -- based on true events, as they say -- looks like my action flick of the year - so far - we're only just gettin' started, but oh wow, I just kept saying wow, wow, wow. 

[zin]

Jan 1, 2016 20:24:33 GMT -5 silver said:

Dec 10, 2015 22:39:03 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Yes, Buck is able to ~speak the language~ of horses. I think this was precisely because he was abused as a child and up as a teenager (along with his brother). He is sensitive to horses because he does not wish to treat them as he was treated. It's a beautiful story of his recovery from being abused.

I keep thinking about your comments, and it's the path of least resistance in deciding how Buck came to be such a natural with the animals.  There is something in explicable about how some people love certain animals like horses from a very early age and I never was one to give reincarnation much thought, but somehow it seems like the only explanation (if you feel you need one) for such a deep love and connection to specific animals, or animals in general.  I was also abused as a child, but I don't use it to explain any particular thing, really.  It's too convenient to do that for some who's never been there, to explain away the realities.

But anyway, I just caught the trailer for Revenant, with Di Caprio -- based on true events, as they say -- looks like my action flick of the year - so far - we're only just gettin' started, but oh wow, I just kept saying wow, wow, wow. 

Reincarnation in the sense that one was that animal? If so, it's nice : )

[silver]

Jan 1, 2016 20:37:31 GMT -5 zin said:

Jan 1, 2016 20:24:33 GMT -5 silver said:

I keep thinking about your comments, and it's the path of least resistance in deciding how Buck came to be such a natural with the animals.  There is something in explicable about how some people love certain animals like horses from a very early age and I never was one to give reincarnation much thought, but somehow it seems like the only explanation (if you feel you need one) for such a deep love and connection to specific animals, or animals in general.  I was also abused as a child, but I don't use it to explain any particular thing, really.  It's too convenient to do that for some who's never been there, to explain away the realities.

But anyway, I just caught the trailer for Revenant, with Di Caprio -- based on true events, as they say -- looks like my action flick of the year - so far - we're only just gettin' started, but oh wow, I just kept saying wow, wow, wow. 

Reincarnation in the sense that one was that animal? If so, it's nice : )

Well, no, um that we were human (or reasonable facsimile) that had a deep connection to said animal(s) in previous lives...I never gave a thought to one being that animal until you said it - which IS interesting.