Movies

[stardustpilgrim]

Hey kiwilove, I used to be a very big movie fan, long periods of time I would see at least one movie a week, in the theater. I'm getting more picky these days. Generally, the last few years, I've gotten to the point of not watching violent films, only a scattered few here and there when previously they didn't bother me at all. And I don't read much fiction, have always been that way. However, a couple of years ago I learned a little about Jack Reacher (writer Lee Child), he sounded intriguing, loner, former MP, I think about 15 years it was, no home, travels by hitchhiking and riding a bus mostly, wandering around the country, tall (I think about 6'4''), takes no sh!t off anybody doesn't back down sticks his nose in when he sees a wrong needs righting, rescues women in distress, doesn't carry a suitcase or a pack of any kind so no extra clothes, doesn't wash clothes, when he needs clothes, he buys second hand at thrift stores (about every three days), no DL, carries a passport as ID, he has his own code, his own rules, usually ends up working with police or military, somewhat, or other authorities, etc., etc... About this time the first Jack Reacher movie came out, One Shot, with Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher. I was thinking, no, no, no, how did they pick Tom Cruise to be Jack Reacher, knowing Tom Cruise is about 5'8''. He did a good job, except for being short, but if they do another I hope they pick an actor that fits the stature of the character, you can't act tall. They need an unknown or relatively unknown actor, next time.

Anyway, when I need to veg out, I read one of the books, I've read about four. It feels like three days wasted, but it's fun. I like the guy, I like his style. He's like an old western cowboy, rides off into the sunset after he kicks the sh!t out of the bad guys, whatever is necessary, he always finds it necessary to leave a few bodies laying around, broken arms, legs, faces smashed in. At this point I think there's about 19 books, enough to last the lifetime for me....at my pace...



Yes, I have always been a loner..well...after my grandpa (T) died when I was four.

[kiwilove]

Hi Stardustpilgrim - I'll probably get around to watching that movie, as I've up for something different.
MacGyver was some kind of anti-Hero but resorted to violence when he had to.
One movie I thought was OK, was Red Eye - with a woman thrown into the centre of the action.

I think being by yourself is alright but you do need human interaction/etc from time to time. I play volleyball and table tennis, as a way with meeting like people, etc.

I like to see movies that contain proper true messages within them. Such as the answer to all our problems with violence is to acknowledge you cannot stop violence with violence. But simply stop it, and understand the whole violence issue. It is used by bullies, whether they be individuals, leaders, governments, etc. Someone genuine, etc (meaning true thought, etc) would not use violence as it is not the right thing to do so.
Those who use violence (including Presidents, etc) show themselves for what they are.
A universal message I like to see emphasized, is that we are all the same - equal as each other.
Royalty is something unfair and unjust and should not be endorsed anymore. It has no place in a peaceful cooperative world, etc.
I like to see true insights presented within movies, etc. eg. Leaders such as anyone from history - name anyone who conquered vast territories, etc etc. They cannot do such things by themselves - they needed help, or rather a core group around them. Hitler is ineffective by himself - without core support, he couldn't have done all that evil attributed to him. The full story about Hitler is not revealed or known to the public.
Stalin likewise.

[stardustpilgrim]

Nov 9, 2015 22:40:14 GMT -5 kiwilove said:

Hi Stardustpilgrim - I'll probably get around to watching that movie, as I've up for something different.
MacGyver was some kind of anti-Hero but resorted to violence when he had to.
One movie I thought was OK, was Red Eye - with a woman thrown into the centre of the action.

I think being by yourself is alright but you do need human interaction/etc from time to time. I play volleyball and table tennis, as a way with meeting like people, etc.

I like to see movies that contain proper true messages within them. Such as the answer to all our problems with violence is to acknowledge you cannot stop violence with violence. But simply stop it, and understand the whole violence issue. It is used by bullies, whether they be individuals, leaders, governments, etc. Someone genuine, etc (meaning true thought, etc) would not use violence as it is not the right thing to do so.
Those who use violence (including Presidents, etc) show themselves for what they are.
A universal message I like to see emphasized, is that we are all the same - equal as each other.
Royalty is something unfair and unjust and should not be endorsed anymore. It has no place in a peaceful cooperative world, etc.
I like to see true insights presented within movies, etc. eg. Leaders such as anyone from history - name anyone who conquered vast territories, etc etc. They cannot do such things by themselves - they needed help, or rather a core group around them. Hitler is ineffective by himself - without core support, he couldn't have done all that evil attributed to him. The full story about Hitler is not revealed or known to the public.
Stalin likewise.

The Jack Reacher books and movie are pure entertainment, a guilty pleasure (for me), no redeeming value. I consider them intelligently written, engaging.

Yea, our whole family used to watch MacGyver, two sons, two daughters and wife (even), and me. We didn't miss MacGyver.

Haven't heard of Red Eye, I'll check into it.

Have you ever heard of Alice Miller? She has written extensively on child abuse. Abused children grow up to abuse their kids and the cycle repeats itself (of course there are exceptions). In one of her early books she wrote on Hitler, I read it many years ago, don't recall much. Is that what you're referring to? The abuse he received as a child?

There has been listed here a great many existential films (I'm pretty sure they're on this thread). Feel free to list your favorites.

[silver]

Well guys, I've always been one to see and uh believe (?) that violence is in all of nature - is nature's way - even though plenty of god's creatures (nature) can get along without it. Since learning more about the Buddha and Buddhism, I've learned to accept more and more things that I used to pass judgment on. I've become quite taken with the Buddhist philosophy.

Anyway, so many movies and so much tv has extreme violence, which I stay away from - I don't even own a tv, as I've mentioned before on the forum. But, there is a series that I recently discovered because it was on dvd at my library and I've become quite a fan of Grimm. The library had Season 2 so started with that. It is right up my alley...and I'm sure lots of people think it's ridiculous, but I'm lovin' it. The way they present the violence is graphic yet tasteful, if you can imagine such a thing.

[stardustpilgrim]

Nov 10, 2015 0:23:33 GMT -5 silver said:

Well guys, I've always been one to see and uh believe (?) that violence is in all of nature - is nature's way - even though plenty of god's creatures (nature) can get along without it. Since learning more about the Buddha and Buddhism, I've learned to accept more and more things that I used to pass judgment on. I've become quite taken with the Buddhist philosophy.

Anyway, so many movies and so much tv has extreme violence, which I stay away from - I don't even own a tv, as I've mentioned before on the forum. But, there is a series that I recently discovered because it was on dvd at my library and I've become quite a fan of Grimm. The library had Season 2 so started with that. It is right up my alley...and I'm sure lots of people think it's ridiculous, but I'm lovin' it. The way they present the violence is graphic yet tasteful, if you can imagine such a thing.

Einstein said: If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales. When I was in Grammar school the teachers read stories (the fifties). I remember one book I loved was called Jack Tales. There were giants and even two-headed giants, nasty dudes. I don't remember much else, just remember the liking (I seem to recall that some of the giants loved children for snacks). I don't remember which teacher read these, what year it was, and it seems a mite peculiar now, but we all, for some reason, liked...

[kiwilove]

There are amazing wildlife documentaries which give you a close up look at whatever wildlife takes your fancy or not. Of course the predators are not an easy watch as they go after their prey. However, since it's their lunch and their only diet - you can't say they have a choice.

But of course humans are different from animals - or supposedly are. Able to use their brains/intelligence if they wish to - or not?

There is no doubt that the history of civilisations is always about war, and more war - even the ancient story about Atlantis and Mu, is that they were friendly for a time, but then became distrustful of each other, ending in war, in which they wiped each other off the face of the earth.
But if you think through it - life is all about progression, or evolution - and so too the change from a primitive society to a more stable peaceful one.
That there must come a time, in which a modern society will choose to do away with violence and oppression, etc etc but onto the next stage of development, towards peace and cooperation. To be truthful with no more lies or deception (ie. programming), etc etc. To grow up.
To say no to the endless cycle of violence in which violence never does anything good at all.

Too often in today's modern world - problems are never addressed, ie. remedied at all, but simply passed onto the next generation to deal with - but no, they pass it on still.

One story about Hitler, is that he was suppose to be good for the world, etc - except he was hijacked by an occult group, and controlled by them. I have yet to see anything via normal sources, to confirm this particular story, except that such an occult group did exist because the Nazis had a fascination with the occult. Another weird story, is that they did develop flying saucers as such - that of the Adamski design and a few fled away in them - so, Iron Sky is not as far fetched as it sounds. Though they did not go into space, to the Moon as in that movie.
Nick Cook's book "The Hunt for Zero Point" does it's best to look into the Nazi's had flying saucers claim. I read this as an ebook, and don't know if it made it into hard copy? Nick is an aviation writer and hunts for the evidence/historical record.
Of course the Nazi's did develop some years ahead of their time secret weapons - far more than you would have guessed at - had they invested more time and energy into developing them earlier - they would have the more advanced weapons over it's enemies.

[silver]

There is so much information circulating about old conspiracies and so on via cable tv - etc. but unless we can some how see it for ourselves - and we weren't 'there' - I think the one I'd like to catch is the one called Hunting Hitler or something like that...I don't even know why, but I lean towards the theory that he ended up in Argentina.

[lolly]

My Dinner with Andre - worth a look.

[stardustpilgrim]

Nov 12, 2015 10:14:17 GMT -5 lolly said:

My Dinner with Andre - worth a look.

Yes, I actually saw it at the theater when it first came out. It's pretty new-agey, but I enjoyed it.

[maxdprophet]

Nov 12, 2015 18:03:00 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Nov 12, 2015 10:14:17 GMT -5 lolly said:

My Dinner with Andre - worth a look.

Yes, I actually saw it at the theater when it first came out. It's pretty new-agey, but I enjoyed it.

good rec lolly.  Listen to wally not andre.

[stardustpilgrim]

Nov 12, 2015 18:27:19 GMT -5 maxdprophet said:

Nov 12, 2015 18:03:00 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Yes, I actually saw it at the theater when it first came out. It's pretty new-agey, but I enjoyed it.

good rec lolly.  Listen to wally not andre.

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[lolly]

Nov 12, 2015 18:27:19 GMT -5 maxdprophet said:

Nov 12, 2015 18:03:00 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Yes, I actually saw it at the theater when it first came out. It's pretty new-agey, but I enjoyed it.

good rec lolly.  Listen to wally not andre.

I thought it was good representation of the listener/speaker dynamic (which is relevant to the satsang paradigm and other dominant relationship positions) Wally was so unassuming, shy, sceptical, socially anxious, and retained comfort as the listener, but after a while assumed a voice and transformed the relational dynamic - and as they discussed the social dynamic, they demonstrated it in their relation - and particularly - when wally assumed the voice, he sought permission to be frank "do you really want to know what I actually think?".  As if being frank was a potentially dangerous to the correct
normalcy of society that holds everything in its place through artifacts of self
impressions and their relative positions. Could he have been shot down for being a mere man in the face of Andre's idealism? Could he have become meagre in the face of Andres adventures?   Who did they become when Wally assumed the frank voice and Andre assumed the ear? Didn't the energy of the exchange becomes more vital? And wasn't Wally a different man to the one he arrived at the restaurant as?

[zendancer]

Peeps should be told that "My Dinner with Andre" is highly intellectual and probably too slow to hold most people's attention. Almost the entire movie is one long conversation between two men at a dinner table about existential issues. I wanted to see the movie when it first came out, but our video store wouldn't order it because there was no demand for it. I began asking my friends to call the store and ask if they had the movie. Two weeks later the guy who owned the store called me and asked if I was still interested in renting the movie. I immediately went to the store to rent it, and the guy said, "I can't figure it out. All kinds of people have been calling and asking about this movie, so I ordered it. Yet, everything I read tells me that the movie is incredibly boring." It was all I could do to keep from laughing.

I liked the flick, and Lolly has done a good job of describing some of the issues that the movie deals with.

[Tor Hershman]

A tale of the world's most profoundly grand teacher of wisdom who wrote these most supernal words....

"...all you of Earth are idiots!"
Yes, Edward Davis Wood, Jr. he who is all wise @ The Church of ED WOOD.

[stardustpilgrim]

Nov 12, 2015 22:11:22 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Peeps should be told that "My Dinner with Andre" is highly intellectual and probably too slow to hold most people's attention. Almost the entire movie is one long conversation between two men at a dinner table about existential issues. I wanted to see the movie when it first came out, but our video store wouldn't order it because there was no demand for it. I began asking my friends to call the store and ask if they had the movie. Two weeks later the guy who owned the store called me and asked if I was still interested in renting the movie. I immediately went to the store to rent it, and the guy said, "I can't figure it out. All kinds of people have been calling and asking about this movie, so I ordered it. Yet, everything I read tells me that the movie is incredibly boring." It was all I could do to keep from laughing.

I liked the flick, and Lolly has done a good job of describing some of the issues that the movie deals with.

You sly fox .........