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Post by topology on Jul 25, 2013 0:32:49 GMT -5
You said samadhi was what was left in the absence of content in the experience, so dreamless sleep qualifies as samadhi. Unless you would like to retract your definition and admit samadhi is just a relative mind state? Samadhi is not a mind state, and I have said that relative Samadhi is absent a referential self. Samadhi is not the same as deep sleep, deep sleep has no consciousness to it. Deep sleep has no consciousness to it? You know this how? In absolute samadhi is there consciousness? You know this how? |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 25, 2013 1:30:19 GMT -5
Samadhi is not a mind state, and I have said that relative Samadhi is absent a referential self. Samadhi is not the same as deep sleep, deep sleep has no consciousness to it. Deep sleep has no consciousness to it? You know this how? In absolute samadhi is there consciousness? You know this how? Speculation? |
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Post by hybrid on Jul 26, 2013 7:45:46 GMT -5
Deep sleep has no consciousness to it? You know this how? In absolute samadhi is there consciousness? You know this how? Speculation? sometimes i wake up before my brain switch on the wake up button for my body |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 17:14:01 GMT -5
Samadhi is not a mind state, and I have said that relative Samadhi is absent a referential self. Samadhi is not the same as deep sleep, deep sleep has no consciousness to it. Deep sleep has no consciousness to it? You know this how? In absolute samadhi is there consciousness? You know this how? To the first part: Because I have been asleep and lost consciousness To the second bit: Because I have had there is a Conscious aspect of Samadhi that there is not in deep sleep, entering with alertness may have something to do with it, whereas deep sleep is not entered into with alertness...dunno But what has been experienced, is that deep sleep does not have any experience of consciousness, while Samadhi does, otherwise, they are very similar from a pattern aspect. The consciousness that is their in Samadhi is not like consciousness as you have perceived it before though, in that, there is no relativity, or referential self...there is no focal point or anything that is relative to anything else...the utter lack of a reference point gives it a void like memory when one returns to body or mind centeredness, and yet, in that "void" there is immense presence and consciousness.....almost like a hyper attentiveness with no point where the attentiveness resides or emanates from...is beyond description, but there is consciousness, there is awareness, there is no awareness in deep sleep.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 17:14:56 GMT -5
Deep sleep has no consciousness to it? You know this how? In absolute samadhi is there consciousness? You know this how? Speculation? Nope Most people who have consciously and repeatedly been absorbed in Samadhi will tell you the same thing, though they may use different words to try and conceptualize. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 17:34:55 GMT -5
Deep sleep has no consciousness to it? You know this how? In absolute samadhi is there consciousness? You know this how? To the first part: Because I have been asleep and lost consciousness To the second bit: Because I have had there is a Conscious aspect of Samadhi that there is not in deep sleep, entering with alertness may have something to do with it, whereas deep sleep is not entered into with alertness...dunno But what has been experienced, is that deep sleep does not have any experience of consciousness, while Samadhi does, otherwise, they are very similar from a pattern aspect. The consciousness that is their in Samadhi is not like consciousness as you have perceived it before though, in that, there is no relativity, or referential self...there is no focal point or anything that is relative to anything else...the utter lack of a reference point gives it a void like memory when one returns to body or mind centeredness, and yet, in that "void" there is immense presence and consciousness.....almost like a hyper attentiveness with no point where the attentiveness resides or emanates from...is beyond description, but there is consciousness, there is awareness, there is no awareness in deep sleep.. I know you can't do anything about it, but the attention was firmly grounded in reason when your perception hit the create post button... Just like I can't do anything about hitting the create post button on this perception. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 17:46:36 GMT -5
To the first part: Because I have been asleep and lost consciousness To the second bit: Because I have had there is a Conscious aspect of Samadhi that there is not in deep sleep, entering with alertness may have something to do with it, whereas deep sleep is not entered into with alertness...dunno But what has been experienced, is that deep sleep does not have any experience of consciousness, while Samadhi does, otherwise, they are very similar from a pattern aspect. The consciousness that is their in Samadhi is not like consciousness as you have perceived it before though, in that, there is no relativity, or referential self...there is no focal point or anything that is relative to anything else...the utter lack of a reference point gives it a void like memory when one returns to body or mind centeredness, and yet, in that "void" there is immense presence and consciousness.....almost like a hyper attentiveness with no point where the attentiveness resides or emanates from...is beyond description, but there is consciousness, there is awareness, there is no awareness in deep sleep.. I know you can't do anything about it, but the attention was firmly grounded in reason when your perception hit the create post button... Just like I can't do anything about hitting the create post button on this perception. Much Gratitude. |
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Post by topology on Jul 26, 2013 17:59:58 GMT -5
Deep sleep has no consciousness to it? You know this how? In absolute samadhi is there consciousness? You know this how? To the first part: Because I have been asleep and lost consciousness To the second bit: Because I have had there is a Conscious aspect of Samadhi that there is not in deep sleep, entering with alertness may have something to do with it, whereas deep sleep is not entered into with alertness...dunno But what has been experienced, is that deep sleep does not have any experience of consciousness, while Samadhi does, otherwise, they are very similar from a pattern aspect. The consciousness that is their in Samadhi is not like consciousness as you have perceived it before though, in that, there is no relativity, or referential self...there is no focal point or anything that is relative to anything else...the utter lack of a reference point gives it a void like memory when one returns to body or mind centeredness, and yet, in that "void" there is immense presence and consciousness.....almost like a hyper attentiveness with no point where the attentiveness resides or emanates from...is beyond description, but there is consciousness, there is awareness, there is no awareness in deep sleep.. Steve, if there is literally no content in absolute samadhi and no awareness of when being in it, then the only difference between dreamless sleep and absolute samadhi is the book-end experiences: drowsiness vs. alertness. You're only calling them different because of the relative condition of the mind surrounding when the content within the experience dwindles to Zero and the experience returns to the Unmanifest. You're saying there is consciousness and alertness present, then we're talking about relative Samadhi as the interpretative mental framework converges to 0. Can you tell when someone else is or isn't in relative Samadhi? (I mean over the internet?) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 18:07:05 GMT -5
To the first part: Because I have been asleep and lost consciousness To the second bit: Because I have had there is a Conscious aspect of Samadhi that there is not in deep sleep, entering with alertness may have something to do with it, whereas deep sleep is not entered into with alertness...dunno But what has been experienced, is that deep sleep does not have any experience of consciousness, while Samadhi does, otherwise, they are very similar from a pattern aspect. The consciousness that is their in Samadhi is not like consciousness as you have perceived it before though, in that, there is no relativity, or referential self...there is no focal point or anything that is relative to anything else...the utter lack of a reference point gives it a void like memory when one returns to body or mind centeredness, and yet, in that "void" there is immense presence and consciousness.....almost like a hyper attentiveness with no point where the attentiveness resides or emanates from...is beyond description, but there is consciousness, there is awareness, there is no awareness in deep sleep.. Steve, if there is literally no content in absolute samadhi and no awareness of when being in it, then the only difference between dreamless sleep and absolute samadhi is the book-end experiences: drowsiness vs. alertness. You're only calling them different because of the relative condition of the mind surrounding when the content within the experience dwindles to Zero and the experience returns to the Unmanifest. You're saying there is consciousness and alertness present, then we're talking about relative Samadhi as the interpretative mental framework converges to 0. Can you tell when someone else is or isn't in relative Samadhi? (I mean over the internet?) Nope, and Nope And...... Nope As an aside, don't you ever get tired of the pointlessness of talking about the nature of Samadhi? Why don't you drop the "IF" and find out for yourself?....no heroics or special powers are required Also, if all is perfect in your world, why do you post here in a psuedo adviserial manner? |
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Post by topology on Jul 26, 2013 18:29:41 GMT -5
Steve, if there is literally no content in absolute samadhi and no awareness of when being in it, then the only difference between dreamless sleep and absolute samadhi is the book-end experiences: drowsiness vs. alertness. You're only calling them different because of the relative condition of the mind surrounding when the content within the experience dwindles to Zero and the experience returns to the Unmanifest. You're saying there is consciousness and alertness present, then we're talking about relative Samadhi as the interpretative mental framework converges to 0. Can you tell when someone else is or isn't in relative Samadhi? (I mean over the internet?) Nope, and Nope And...... Nope As an aside, don't you ever get tired of the pointlessness of talking about the nature of Samadhi? Why don't you drop the "IF" and find out for yourself?....no heroics or special powers are required Also, if all is perfect in your world, why do you post here in a psuedo adviserial manner? I'm going to presume that two of those Nopes were to the last two questions I asked you. Given that there is no way to tell when someone else is or is not in samadhi (for sure), especially over the internet, and given that you've set samadhi up as your standard for spiritual accomplishment, I'm compelled to thwack your ego for its posturing for recognition of accomplishment over the internet.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 18:40:40 GMT -5
Nope, and Nope And...... Nope As an aside, don't you ever get tired of the pointlessness of talking about the nature of Samadhi? Why don't you drop the "IF" and find out for yourself?....no heroics or special powers are required Also, if all is perfect in your world, why do you post here in a psuedo adviserial manner? I'm going to presume that two of those Nopes were to the last two questions I asked you. Given that there is no way to tell when someone else is or is not in samadhi (for sure), especially over the internet, and given that you've set samadhi up as your standard for spiritual accomplishment, I'm compelled to thwack your ego for its posturing for recognition of accomplishment over the internet. Am I posturing for recognition, or reporting whats happening in a strange woo thread? What can you say about your psychology and ego processes that would create a story about posturing or seeking of recognition? Also, can you point to any post where I have described something as an achievement? I wonder, do you think Christ was being egoic when he said that he was the Son of God? Are you one of those that sees that out of context quote as egoic while ignoring that he also said that you are also a Son of God? I have discussed Samadhi, and said that anyone can do it, where are perceiving "specialness" and or a seeking of accolades in that, and more importantly for you personally....Why? |
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Post by topology on Jul 26, 2013 18:46:24 GMT -5
I'm going to presume that two of those Nopes were to the last two questions I asked you. Given that there is no way to tell when someone else is or is not in samadhi (for sure), especially over the internet, and given that you've set samadhi up as your standard for spiritual accomplishment, I'm compelled to thwack your ego for its posturing for recognition of accomplishment over the internet. Am I posturing for recognition, or reporting whats happening in a strange woo thread? What can you say about your psychology and ego processes that would create a story about posturing or seeking of recognition? Also, can you point to any post where I have described something as an achievement? I wonder, do you think Christ was being egoic when he said that he was the Son of God?Are you one of those that sees that out of context quote as egoic while ignoring that he also said that you are also a Son of God? I have discussed Samadhi, and said that anyone can do it, where are perceiving "specialness" and or a seeking of accolades in that, and more importantly for you personally....Why? Now you're comparing yourself to Christ?!?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 19:00:02 GMT -5
Am I posturing for recognition, or reporting whats happening in a strange woo thread? What can you say about your psychology and ego processes that would create a story about posturing or seeking of recognition? Also, can you point to any post where I have described something as an achievement? I wonder, do you think Christ was being egoic when he said that he was the Son of God?Are you one of those that sees that out of context quote as egoic while ignoring that he also said that you are also a Son of God? I have discussed Samadhi, and said that anyone can do it, where are perceiving "specialness" and or a seeking of accolades in that, and more importantly for you personally....Why? Now you're comparing yourself to Christ?!? No, I'm saying that I am the same as Christ, and you too.... You are not separate from Christ, nor do you have greater or lesser capacity... Do you believe that Christ, or Ramana, or Niz, whoever, has some greater or different capacity than you? Do you believe that in your essential nature that you are different or separate from those iterations? Haha....do you believe thats air you're breathing? (To that last bit....Wife was watching the Matrix last night lol) |
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Post by topology on Jul 26, 2013 19:16:58 GMT -5
Now you're comparing yourself to Christ?!? No, I'm saying that I am the same as Christ, and you too.... You are not separate from Christ, nor do you have greater or lesser capacity... Do you believe that Christ, or Ramana, or Niz, whoever, has some greater or different capacity than you? Do you believe that in your essential nature that you are different or separate from those iterations? Haha....do you believe thats air you're breathing? (To that last bit....Wife was watching the Matrix last night lol) Steve, can't you tell I Agape you? . I Philos you too, but if you're wanting me to Eros you, then we'll need to get some hormone treatments for you and schedule an operation. |
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Post by hybrid on Jul 26, 2013 20:59:45 GMT -5
Brainwave Patterns and States of Awareness
Awake……………….Conscious Mind………….Beta
Yoga Nidra…………..Superconscious Mind……Alpha
Dreaming Sleep……..Subconscious Mind……..Theta
Deep Sleep………….Unconscious Mind……….Delta
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