Hello and here I am for the first time--

[swamicollins]

Sophia--would you not call it "compassion" for me to both post my Ebook for Free and to be available to answer genuine question(such as yours) for free??
I would say that DEFINITELY a Man who calls himself(say) Dalai Lama and yet who misuses the words of Gotama in order to keep the Oligarchy around him(as "God-King") and thereby CONTROLS the GROUPMIND of the Tibetan masses-thereby LIEING to the ignorant uneducated inexperienced Tibetan Masses in order to preserve his Hegemony over the Tibetan Masses --I would most DEFINITELY say that he has NOT one compassionate bone in his body..
As are ALL the LIARS of Hinduism,Vedism,Buddhism and the rest of the FALSE religions alive in the Minds of their prosletysers-these persons are REAL NON_COMPASSION in action.otherwise why is this planet in such an awful mess??

[swamicollins]

Sophia-I am NOT involved with "spiritual worlds--these Disincarnate spirits were created by CREATION to misleasd people(sucessfully judging by your stance as with ALL followers of "spirituallity)there is onle CREATION--the so-called "gods" are NOT responsible for Creation of anything except confusion and misery.
Compassion as you define it is a "cheap sales pitch" that also USES your emotions against your better nature-you like ALL followers of "god" controlled "rekligions" are manipulated by the "warm sqishy feelings("emotions") that are generated by you in believing you must be "good" because you are "compassionate".
As for promoting "your" Ebook(its not really mine because it belongs to all who accept the methods in it for FREE-Real Compassion in Action)
Also the Manipulation that Followers use on their Leaders compassion is disgusting to say the least--but these Buisnessmen and Women of Religion/Spirituallity/Non-Duality/False yoga are as Buisness people MUST be intent of Profit and not on Friendship--
One(such as I and the other I know who are GENUINLY MINDLESS) Love Humanity through NONCONDITIONAL LOVE and not as the Ecclesiastics do whom you cite through CONDITIONAL LOVE which is the Product of MIND/Conditioned Identity
I love you UNCONDITIONALLY but that does not mean that I must accept the false reasoning you use-derived from the Books you have read in the main part and not through any experience of CREATION as a state of Experiential Knowingness

PLEASE!! read EVERY word in my Free Ebook and the words that you do not understand look up in the appropriate books--such as Dictionaries(collins) ,Medical Textbooks and Homo Sapeiens Correctus and The Ego by Bart Huges(internet research needed)

www.experientialknowingness.co.uk

[swamicollins]

Light-I would NOT say you have expe4rienced the states you claimto have--just that you assist your Mind in Decieving your self--as does just about everyone alive-great way to waste yourlife but not for me --no thanks.as for your understanding of Yoga--your way off beam and again your just posting ignorance pretending to be Knowledge as doe these Ecclesiastics you praise.

[sophia]

Hi Swami,

Where is the seat of emotion, if it is not in the mind? I am not an evolutionary biologist, but some articles online claim that the amygdala in the brain is the host to emotions. OK, so maybe emotion is a result of evolution and is biological only. So, what is the seat of the mind? Is the mind also a tool that we have acquired through evolution? A survival mechanism, perhaps? Anyway, the question that I'm getting at is, it seems you are insinuating that to merge with Creation (or the Universe or God), we need to do away with mind. If mind is simply a biological process not useful for enlightenment, then it seems to follow - although not exactly logically - that the biological function of emotion is also not necessary for enlightenment. So, why get rid of mind but not emotion?

Keep in "mind" that I am positive such discussions as these only serve to enhance the intellect and may or may not help one progress towards enlightenment. However, at the moment I think that the intellect somehow helps to inspire one to take whatever steps are necessary to make spiritual progress.

You said:

As for the States of Being reached by the Ancients being fantasies-If I assert that I KNOW they are because I was THERE and was one of them would that help you cut off contact with me??

Here, are you speaking of reincarnation? Past lives? (Also, I don't know what you mean by "cut off contact with" you. If that means you wish for me to stop directing my forum posts at you, I can do that, just ask.)

By the way, I didn't take the Plato quote to be directed towards the gender of men only. I believe the term "men" as used by Plato describes both men and women. Sometimes we use the term "man" to refer to hu(man)s. Man and wo(man) are both hu(man). The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines "man" in a number of ways, one of which is "the human race : humankind".

I think that anyone who has sincere motives in wanting to help his fellow "man" is compassionate. If a teacher has ulterior motives, such as fame, power or money, clearly they are not operating through compassion. If you have no intention other than hoping to lead others towards the Light, then yes, I'd say you are compassionate. I do disagree with you about the Dalai Lama, though. I think anytime massive quantities of people feel that someone is a true Teacher, that Teacher will accumulate a "following". Just because a following has been accumulated does not mean the Teacher is not real. Trust me, this is coming from me - I am just as turned off from the cult of personality as you are. I use my own intuition to judge a teacher worthy of my attention or not, and I trust others can and should do the same for themselves. Clearly, mistakes can be made (and have been made) by assuming someone to be a real teacher, but such mistakes can help sharpen the sense.

This paragraph is slightly off-topic but is in response to your statement that gods create confusion and misery. I agree that religions can cause these states, however, I feel that the use of gods in religions all over the world are simply symbols of the Truth. Just as, possibly, your use of the word "Creation" could symbolize the Truth.

Now, excuse me for talking so much. I hope I don't sound like I'm trying to be a know-it-all. I don't know much of anything, really. I've spent a few years looking for a Teacher but after coming up empty I've resorted to trying to figure it all out on my own, which isn't very easy. I will try to spend some time reading through your ebook. I am assuming that if I have any questions I can direct them to you by way of your email address or this forum?

Thank you, I love you, too.

[swamicollins]

Sophia--You can write me at my [e-mail]--(which would be less public)--the content of my writings would directed to you specifically as most others on these thread seem to be just "time wasters eager to define words with other words.
As for the "dalai Lama" he is not capable of leading anyone into Union with CREATION as he has not reached the state of Separate and Merged(as you mistakenly call it the "light") and is NOWHERE near even recognising this state.I discount him as I discount ALL religious leaders who retail a discarded and easily discredited theology.
Your valid questions are best answered by asking you to read carefully through my Free Ebook-especially the sections on Mind/Conditioned Identity and their formation and composition as you reveal that you are both inexperienced and uneducated in the specific subjects under questioning by you--Emotion is an entirely Human attribute that can only be repressed if one follows the advice of the ignorant (such as DD etc etc etc)-we have Emotions as a specific Gift of compositioon from CREATION and to ignore their very valuable input is to ignore a necessary tool.Mind takes control over the Emotions at an early age but Emotions are DEFINITELY NOT part of Mind as you wrongly state.
As I say Read my Free Ebook then get back to me please.
MY intention is to enable people to dissolve Mind/Conditioned Identity Totally anfd Permanently which is the only way of coming into UNION (Yoga) with CREATION or as I term it the State of Separate and Merged.
"gods" are NOT simple symbols of TRUTH but Disincarnate spirits that are REAL and masquerade as "gods" in order to suck the Emotional energy raised when their followers of ALL these "religions" do the extremely Daft and destructive things like Worshipping these imposters-There is only CREATION and NO "God" has any power beyond the power to deceive those misled by the Ecclesiastics and prosletysers of ALL "religions"-My use of the word CREATION is NOT intended to symbolise ANYTHING but to open your eyes and beingness to the fact that CREATION is a "living" contactable force -the force behind the Existence of the Universe and ALL in it-both Physical and Metaphysical--a force that will enter into a lifelong person to force relationship with you that needs no interlocatur or interpretation from ANY ecclesiastic or "religion"-As you(not the Mind/Conditioned Identity are not "you"-)you are a small part of CREATION that enters the Foetus at the moment of conception in each lifetime-entering the first time when existence began and passing from body to body carrying the accumulated "good" and "bad" karma until one either learns to dissolve Mind/Conditioned Identity through generating Neutral Karma or one continues in ignorance lifetime after lifetime playing MindGames as these Ecclesiastics and persons existing in the "religious" sphere do--an eternity spent in ignorance and practice of UNION with CREATION.
The DD denies CREATION in his writings and openly calls himself a "god" incarnate-as for many peoples belief indemnifying his so-called teachings then if many believed the earth was fklat would that make it so.Keep your own counsel always-question everything but please do give my Free Ebook at least one reading in order to gain an overall "picture" of my "teaching"
(I am not a "teacher" or Buddha or Avatar or any other facy title or rank or status but just a Man on a big ball in space who has become that small part of CREATION embedded in the Foetus at conception by the ONLY path of Dissolving Mind/Conditioned Identity-I have no interest in Money or posessions or fame except where it could be used to advance the knowledge of the ONLY path towards UNION with CREATION--The DD that you erroniously eulogise receives 2million $ a year from the CIA--he has a personal fortune of between 20 and 40 million$ kept in Swiss Banks-donations from the wealthy celebrities he so assiduously courts on his round the world collecting trips(buisness class-staying with the wealthy and connected)-why does he NOT use this money to relieve the dire poverty that Most Tibetans live in??I have lived in the Tibetan Community in Upper Dharamsala(McLoudGanj)for over 25 years now and see him driving thriough the streets waving his Rolex clad hand from his A/C Range Rover as he wiggles his Gucci clad toes and smiles his gold plated smile-and he has the absolute call to call himself a simple monk!!A monkmakes a vow of NEVER to touch Gold-he ran out of Tibet with the other members of his NON-Elected Oligarchy carrying between 9 and 16tonnes of Gold rather than women and Children-hardly a series of "compassionate actions are they but maybe you can indemnify them??
Read my Website carefully especially the sections on the formation and character of MIND--Conditioned Identity-the EGO then write me please
I LOVE YOU UNCONDITIONALLY(LOVE is a word that is NOT used in Buddhism by the way)

[lightmystic]

Wow, you're pretty mired in concepts. How come you react so angrily? How do you REALLY know I'm not beyond mind? You definately have some serious lack of clarity, but I'm not going to say you're in this or that state of consciousness because it has nothing to do with behavior. There is definitely a clear appearance that you believe you are separate from me, and many others, though.

I gave you my understanding on yoga, and you did not rebut it other than to say it was wrong. That is really silly. Wouldn't you be able to put your money where your mouth is better by addressing my points in more than half a sentence? Wouldn't that show how clear and mindless you really were and thus convince people to listen to you?

You may not say that you are Enlightened, but you say you are "mindless" which is the same thing, implying that you are the only one and that you have "the" teaching. That pretty intense in terms of getting caught up in the mind.

In think you're being pretty hypocritical, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks so. Your anger, rage, and bitterness is palpable from across the internet.

The spiritual ego is very subtle and very closed off. There's nothing worse than believing you've "done it." I'm claiming to be what people refer to an Enlightened, but I'm not perfect, or the "only one" in any way. I've met many wonderful Enlightened souls, and everything is being experienced as myself. This just keeps getting clearer on all levels. I'm currently learning that there is no power on this planet more powerful than humility, which is not a lessening or shrinking of the Self like I had previously thought. Humility is willingness to receive. Willingness to receive everyone and everything.

I also feel a lot of love for everyone, and I think it comes across in my posts. There's no need to say it directly if it's really there, people will feel it. But all I feel is sadness and pain from your e-mails, and I can understand why you want to reinforce specialness, but you're not more special than anyone else (you say that but you don't seem to live it). Eventually you will perhaps realize that everyone, including you is special and awesome in their own way. We're all doing our job perfectly and so are you, but you may want to be aware that your job may not be to "bring the teaching" in the way you think you are.

For me, you represent spiritual ego, and I'm learning to open up enough to allow even you in my world. Accepting spiritual ego is an issue still something that's still unwinding, and it certainly isn't done, but it's coming nicely. Not that it matters, because I'm beyond mind, remember?

Reacting angrily or violently to this won't help you. Reacting with honesty about how your feeling and points of view will, and maybe you will inspire growth in me, yourself, or others - which seems to be what you are trying to do.

Oct 26, 2008 7:32:35 GMT -5 swamicollins said:

Light-I would NOT say you have expe4rienced the states you claimto have--just that you assist your Mind in Decieving your self--as does just about everyone alive-great way to waste yourlife but not for me --no thanks.as for your understanding of Yoga--your way off beam and again your just posting ignorance pretending to be Knowledge as doe these Ecclesiastics you praise.

[swamicollins]

Light-you are nothing but a bunch of fingers used by a MIND to write inexperienced rubbish-read my website(if you can read??)

[lightmystic]

Alright, enough of this. I read your website. It's merely self important BS. There really is no value in being open with you. You clearly have no openness at all, and that is not the mark of one who has conquered the mind, that is the mark of a scared child clinging like a life raft to your belief system. I would worry that you would lead others astray, but I think that anyone with half a brain can clearly and easily see exactly what you are.

Enjoy your self important ego trip, and good luck with all that. I can't foresee you having any real honesty with yourself this lifetime.

[swamicollins]

Light --so you project these thing about yourself onto others--tut tut!!

[lightmystic]

No no swami. You are MY spiritual ego. Spiritual ego is a desire for specialness. I've been resisting you, as my specialness. You attempting to be special through spirituality was bringing up an old wound that I can now finally resolve. But I accept you back into me.

Thank you swami. I worship your feet for having given me the chance be healed. You are part of me and I love you.

You deserve to be healed, you deserve to be special, and I'm sorry that people were mean to you on other sites.



hehe. I'm a sap now.

[swamicollins]

Light-carry on!please just carry on.

[sophia]

Swami, I read a couple pages of your book but it is difficult for me to continue, feeling the negativity that I feel coming from you. I know of your disdain for compassion in spiritual teachers, but I think to some extent compassion may be necessary at least to draw others towards the teachings. Perhaps the next time you try sharing your teachings, you may want to give this method a try.

I wish you the best, always, and may you one day understand what it means to feel unconditional love for others as you claim to do. Unconditional love does not mean only loving those that follow your teachings.

[Peter]

Phew. Glad I sat this one out! I had been feeling bad about posting negative feedback, but the above exchange has cheered me up greatly.

LightMystic, on Oct 23 you said: "I enjoyed reading your link. You said some nice things."
Then five days later you wrote: "I read your website. It's merely self important BS."

You're clearly Reacting there. How's does that sit with "claiming to be what people refer to an Enlightened" ?

P

[lightmystic]

That's a fair question. Personally, I always try to be nice. It's true that he brought up some stuff that was interesting in his e-book., although I disagreed with a lot of his fundamental premises. It also seemed to be coming from a place that was trying to reinforce specialness. I wasn't going to comment on that initially, but it became clear that avoiding pointing that out was certainly not doing him any favors. Although there is some spiritual experience there, the fact that it's described on the basis of trying to be separate (through him being more special) is what makes it fundamentally valueless. So both points really are true, and I really believe both points.

When it became clear that there was no openness, it did hurt my feelings a bit, because I was being nice and he was responding condescendingly. You could say that's reactiveness, and I could agree with that. It's an issue I'm working through.

In the past I was sure that Enlightenment - i.e. perfect oneness and contentment meant that one no longer had any issues. I had to get over all of my issues to "get there." So I was working to get past my own misconceptions of smallness. Then the individual disappeared, leaving perfect oneness and contentment. And I still had issues. So I guess I was wrong about what it looked like. Go figure.

As has been said many times, Enlightenment has nothing to do with the personality. There is no such thing as an Enlightened personality. It's also true that, as the basic experience of nonduality is sinking in, all of my old patterns of treating various things as separate are being looked at and discarded - because it's no longer in line with my fundamental experience. But this is because that is what works for me. There's nothing that says Enlightened people have to do that, and many choose not to (it's all perfect anyway right?). This is because even the issues themselves are part of the wholeness, so there's no motivation to change. I still like getting over my issues, so I'm continuing to work on myself, but that's just the way my personality happens to go. It really doesn't matter.

It's funny to me because you can actually see the process happening here in this series of posts - issue gets triggered, gets reacted to, gets resolved. When I resolved it in myself, the situation resolved externally too. That is my experience all the time with how it works. Since then it hasn't been an issue. It's okay if it still is though. I'm happy to examine it.

Does that answer your question?

[sophia]

Light,

I think it's a wonderful thing that in your enlightened state you still aren't afraid to admit you have things to work on in yourself.