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Post by swamicollins on Oct 23, 2008 4:02:58 GMT -5
I would like to open discussion on the ONLY pathway to UNION with CREATION--Beyond MIND/CONDITIONED IDENTITY--where one becomes CREATION itself Please read my Website www.experientialknowingness.co.ukLive long and lose Mind/Conditioned Identity |
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Post by Peter on Oct 23, 2008 7:05:19 GMT -5
Ahh, but a discussion in which participants are expected to agree that "the individual's practice of a.Synthesis of the Six Fundamental Yogas" is "the ONLY pathway to UNION with CREATION" is anything but open.
Your writing exhibits startlingly random punctuation which makes it very difficult to read. For example: Your early massive enthusiasm for the comma seems to wane towards the end of that paragraph/sentence. This shows a lack of consideration for your audience. There's also repetition with your Biography appearing multiple times, and the phrase "Mind is, a computer virus- like Energy Matrix, imposed over the Braincentres." appears several times on one page.
Also, it would be easier for you to make up a new word for what you're trying to express, rather than complaining that the New 9th Edition of Chambers Dictionary is incorrect.
Your message may be an important one, but it's currently tripping over it's feet in it's expression. Having someone check over your work as an Editor would help it a lot.
There's also this: You seem to be trying to "own" this teaching, and keep it for yourself. So although you've put this information out there 'for free', you're calling anyone who claims they understand a liar? Does that mean that you don't intend anyone to understand your writing? How is this attitude compatible with Union with Creation?
Sorry Lord Collins, I found your writing too impenetrable to take any helpful meaning from. Perhaps others will find it easier, or (I hope) you'll take the time to organise and polish your material a little.
Regards,
Peter
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Post by lightmystic on Oct 23, 2008 16:29:13 GMT -5
Hello Collins, I enjoyed reading your link. You said some nice things. I'm sorry, but you are neither the first nor the only one to transcend the mind. :) It's okay though, that in itself doesn't invalidate the rest of your point. Also, complete no-mind/union Awakening happened to me, and my diet was fairly unhealthy. I didn't get into hard drugs, and haven't done any drugs for a while, but a change in Awareness changes the physiology, not the other way around - obviously this is so because awareness is immutable and comes first, while the body appears to be transitory. Nonetheless, there is certainly a value to purifying your body (helps become aware of what's going on, makes physiological transitions less uncomfortable if the body is already pure, etc.). I would very much enjoy debating/agreeing the different methods of yoga with you, I think I'll create another post to do that. I don't want to agree to disagree, I think that if we both come with openness then the Truth will become apparent and at least one of us - though it's nearly always both practice (in my experience) - will learn something. You could say it's the only path, but if that is so, then it's the same path that looks very different for different people. The ending result is the same, but the aspects that are focused on, the way it is described, the habits of living, etc. can and do vary widely. This is because it's not the individual that is realized to be All, it's All that realizes it, it's just that the All thought it was the individual for a little while on some level. Also, what very much interests me is what happens to the individual once the individual is just another story in the dream. That has been really fascinating as the Absolute starts to sink into the dream itself. I would love to discuss that with you if want to/can. Alright, I'll start addressing you path's points in a new post. I would like to open discussion on the ONLY pathway to UNION with CREATION--Beyond MIND/CONDITIONED IDENTITY--where one becomes CREATION itself Please read my Website www.experientialknowingness.co.ukLive long and lose Mind/Conditioned Identity |
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Post by lightmystic on Oct 23, 2008 17:06:08 GMT -5
I've noticed that, though many people will use different paths at different points, usually it works better for people to focus on one or two paths that work for them and stick to it. The whole idea of paths is fundamentally silly, so I don't want to get too specific into this. All paths really lead to the same place either way. BTW, why do you separate legally and illegally as ways of Transcendence? Why is that even an issue? Raja Yoga This is essentially allowing the mind to gravitate naturally toward that which is beyond mind. It's going toward that cosmic sweetness and relaxing into that, realizing that anything other than the cosmic sweetness is an illusion, a less accurate pattern of functioning. This is to allow for the eventual realization that that which is beyond mind IS who you have always been. Hatha Yoga Hatha Yoga is any practice where the sense are restrained in order to see what is underneath. What is traditionally called "yoga" in the west (poses and such) really means hatha yoga, and poses are only one part of what hatha yoga really is. Hatha Yoga includes breathing exercises, poses, diets/fasting, meditations where the mind/senses are restrained, and all sorts of austerities for bringing Enlightenment. This is the traditional path of the Ascetic, the monk in the cave, although it's right for anyone who it's right for. Tantra Sexual Tantra is one small part of what all of Tantra really is, although sexual Tantra has been the focus in the West. Tantra in actuality is, in some way the opposite of Hatha Yoga. Tantra comes from the understanding that all worldly desires are unfulfilled spiritual desires that can be permanently fulfilled through greater awareness. Instead of restraining the desires and senses, Tantra has one indulge in the desires and sense, but to do so Consciously so that the true underlying need can be identified and be allowed to be fulfilled. Sexual desire is actually desire for union with the divine, desire for food for heart nourishment, etc.. This path can be tricky as it's very easy to get stuck in the sense thing and not actually get past it as Tantra requires. Still, I have spontaneously used the technique many times in the past (I didn't know about it back then) and it was very useful. It depends on the person I suppose, just like all of these paths. Human Sexuality can certainly be used to open the heart, but most of the time it's merely a distracting from our actual lack of fulfillment, even if we think we're being conscious.  Gyana Yoga This is the path of "finding the Truth." Examining the nature of the senses, the basic fabric of perception itself, the way the mind works, and finding what is most FUNDAMENTALLY, immutably, unshakably true in our own experience without any filter and allowing everything else to be realized another overlay of the mind, overlay of illusion. Beginners who learn this technique are suggested to look at what you are. Who and what is the "I" you refer to when you say that word? How do you know? Seriously, how do you really know for yourself? Karma Yoga Karma is actually translated as Action. Action in the world brings effects ("you reap what you sow", etc.). Karma Yoga is union (Yoga means Union) through action. Action for the sake of others, helping others, doing things for others to help expand yourself, open yourself, etc.. This is the path of devotion through action. It's a beautiful path, but it's effectiveness depends on the person, like all other paths. Bhakti Yoga This is the path of constant prayer to the Divine, or that fullness from which Divinity springs. Everything becomes a constant prayer to the Lord, every aspect of life becomes that prayer, that delicious union. It allows one to desire to be one with the Lord so fully that one will give up any smallness that could be in the way. This is the path of devotion. |
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Post by Rose on Oct 24, 2008 8:33:07 GMT -5
swamicollins,
Welcome. An interesting link. I plan to read some more. Thanks for the link.
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Post by swamicollins on Oct 24, 2008 12:43:04 GMT -5
Peter-Your reply to my posting revealed that you cannot read properly-I did NOT say "I would like to start an open discussion"
if you read it again I said"I would like to open a discussion" totally different meaning to the one you said I Said>
As for my atrocious grammar what can I say--however you manage to totally ignore the content and indulge yourself in gratuitous nitpicking.As for your analysis then Id suggest you stop taking the contents of your "spoon".I do own this teaching and have every right to warn others away from saying that they "understand" as understanding is NOT as you infer intellectual only but involves actually dissolving Mind/Conditioned Identity on a Permanent basis and despite your self aggrandisement that is something you both CANNOT do and have NOT done.
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Post by swamicollins on Oct 24, 2008 12:46:50 GMT -5
Light Mystic-I do not mention Hard Drugs except to warn other NEVER to touch them.
As for Transcendence of Mind may I point out that Transcendence of Mind without transcending Conditioned Identity is worthless.
If you cannot agree to disagree then there is no point in further contact BYE
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Post by swamicollins on Oct 24, 2008 12:48:56 GMT -5
Rose--High--thank you for your acknowledgement
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Post by lightmystic on Oct 24, 2008 14:25:18 GMT -5
Aww, don't be mad! I'm not so concerned about my opinions, they can change if the truth is found to be different. There's no reason to get defensive, as your opinions are not "more right" or "less right" than mine, and I'm not here to attack you. If it's not based on direct experience, it doesn't mean anything, including opinions about what we think our direct experience "means." If it would make you feel better, we can agree to disagree. I feel like it's a bit of a semantic issue here, there's no conditioned mind, people just believe there is. That is the ultimate reality from my experience. But people think they have a mind and that it has to go, and practically speaking that's what the path looks like. You wouldn't tell someone who feels like they have a mind that there is no mind: that's no helpful. Nevertheless, in the end, there never was mind, and I think perhaps that's what you're referring to as Awakening, or whatever you call it. But what is your experience? I would very much enjoy hearing it. Light Mystic-I do not mention Hard Drugs except to warn other NEVER to touch them. As for Transcendence of Mind may I point out that Transcendence of Mind without transcending Conditioned Identity is worthless. If you cannot agree to disagree then there is no point in further contact BYE |
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Post by sophia on Oct 24, 2008 20:21:34 GMT -5
Hi Swami,
I had never imagined that someone could "own" a teaching.
Curiouser and curiouser!!
But anyway, if you are a teacher I wonder why you allow yourself to have such emotional reaction? I am not criticizing. I really want to know. (I want to know because I am someone who has been known to react emotionally to perceived insult or rejection before and all the teachers and teachings seem to say that such behavior is actually quite nonspiritual. Or something like that.)
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Post by swamicollins on Oct 25, 2008 12:52:50 GMT -5
Lighty whatever-
Your Mind wants you to think there is no Conditioned Mind but there you go--youve had no REAL experience beyond Mind/Conditioned Identity in your life but are a sucker for what mind wants you to believe as are ALL those In Mind(just about ALL alive now.I do not talk about the state Im in--that is MINDGAMES and is for you Mind Games players.The state of UNION with CREATION is ONLY to be lived in and to play MindGames,as you are doing,is to reveal that you cannot enter this state whatever Semantic deception you engage in.
Read and study my Ebook -preferably 2 hours after ingesting either
250 Mic os LSD
20gm of Dried Peruvian Torch Catus powder
20gm of Magic Mushrooms
eat a Large Protein rich meal within 10minutes of taking
Breathe deeply and nasally
Do NOT listen to any "music
Do not read any Book but my free Ebook
Enjoy
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Post by swamicollins on Oct 25, 2008 13:04:49 GMT -5
Sophia--if you want to believe the Mendacity of these "religiou" ecclesiastics/Brahmins/Intellectuals its your choice.I have given the "teaching" to the world in my Free Ebook-so perhaps you have a different meaning for the word own.I do not have Copyright over these words but I do assert that they are My "teaching" as I have both discovered this Pathway and written it down-NO ONE else has ever done this in ALL recorded history.These so-called teachers of Yoga related Religions such as Vedism Buddhism Hinduism Sikhism Jainism Christianity Islam etc etc etc in the past and nowadays advise suppressing Emotion--perhaps youll consider that is because they LIE and MANIPULATE and people do tend to get angry with LIARS.
There is NO value in writing about the "wonderful benefits and powers" that the purported end of these "religions" give because the Mind will then get you to IMAGINE these states are where you are when you are in the GROUPMIND that ALL "religions" are composed of.
These Teachers have a vested interest in getting novices to join their GROUPMINDS--because it gives them the Power to mislead gullible people and therefore steal their life-energy for their own use.
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Post by swamicollins on Oct 25, 2008 13:07:04 GMT -5
Sophie-My advice to you is to read my Free Ebook under the same conditions I have told Light whatever to use. www.experientialknowingness.co.ukPerhaps youll meet CREATION for a short while along the way. |
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Post by sophia on Oct 25, 2008 16:48:04 GMT -5
Hi Swami , Googling your name "Swami Lord Collins" shows that you've made your rounds online. ( znethru.blog.co.uk/2008/01/27/swami_lord_collins_some_facts_we_need_to~3637711) I see that quite a few people have reacted to you by using insults, and rather rude and crude ones at that. However, I ALSO see that you have reacted to these people as well with a lot of anger. Personally, I think a spiritually evolved human would just ignore people when they gang-up on you like that. After all, how can one dissolve the mind to merge with Creation when one is involved in anger which is an expression of mind? Now, having said that, I am curious as to why you call yourself "Swami Lord". Also, I see on various sites on the Internet that you frequently promote your ebook. I do detect a bit of ego. But do pardon my saying so. In one of your writings in a yoga journal ( www.journalofyoga.org/yogacorruption.pdf), you seem to claim that compassion is simply a sales pitch. Teachers for millennia have taught the importance of compassion. Do you really think that compassion is simply a tool for religious teachers to bind followers to the "Group Mind"? Most Teachers and others that I know who have reached enlightenment hope (through compassion) to help others reach enlightenment. What is your reason for wanting to help others? If it is not compassion, what else could it be but ego through hoping people will read your book and remember the name "Swami Lord Collins"? Also, in the same writing, you say that the states achieved by the ancients were merely fantasies. How do you know this? How do you know your experience is not simply fantasy? Thank you, Swami, for allowing me to ask these questions of you. My inquiring mind wants to know. (Yes, for the moment I still have my mind, although some might claim I've lost it.) |
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Post by swamicollins on Oct 26, 2008 2:38:55 GMT -5
Sophia in the state of Mindlessnes(which you are NOT in)ALL men and Women have anger-its an Emotion and NOT as you assert "part of MINd--Mind uses anger as evident with these ignorant peoples Anger towards the Pathway I assert is THe Only True Path to UNION with Creation--(this UNION CANNOT come into being until Mind/Conditioned Identity has been dissolved Totally and Permanently).I am just a Man on a Big Ball in space--I do NOT and would NEVER claim to be "enlightened" or in any other "state" that "religions" tout as the eventual aim of Humanity.
The eventual aim of Humanitty is to be in the State of Separate and Merged with CREATION by becoming that small part of CREATION that is embedded in the Human Foetus at Conception.
You mistake my PASSION and Robustness as anger-a common fault in people-I cannot ignore ANYONES "cries for help" and sometimes the method is to try to fight "like with like".Again "anger as you mistakenly call it" is NOT an expression of Mind-it is an Emotion that Creation gave us ALL for a very good reason!!
As for the Name I use-My first Yoga teacher gave me the name of Lord and many Indians (devotees//) tell me to call myself Swami(swami is Sanskrit for Lord!!)--as W Shakespeare said "a rose would smell as sweet by any other name--your picking up on this Name thing is an indicatuion of your avoidance of CREATION itself--)If(which by what you write you had read my Free Ebook seems very unlikely)you would be aware that it is The Methods put there that count and NOT these little questions that occupy your Mind in derouting you from examining these concepts-you have become,in effect,the same as the GUILTY who insult me!!-Yes GUILTY because the Human has tremendous amouts of GUILT at turning away from CREATION reaching out to them through me--as you are dioing and will do.You adhere the old Dictum of Shoot the messenger and ignore the message it seems.
Compassion for teachers/Ecclesiastics/so-called "enlightened ones" is misleading for they LIE about these states of being and so mislead the gullible (such as you--with respect)
As for the States of Being reached by the Ancients being fantasies-If I assert that I KNOW they are because I was THERE and was one of them would that help you cut off contact with me??
CREATION is in this body--If you were to experience CREATION in your body you also would KNOW that CREATION is NOT a fantasy--but you cannot KNOW CrEATION without firsty dissolving Mind/Conditioned Identity and Religious belief is just another layer of Conditioning for the Mind to use.
Those who claim that youve lost your Mind are merely using the popular Medias definition of Mindless--but you definitely are able to act through the false dichotomy of Id-Entity versus Mind/Conditioned Identity
As for Insults--Water off a Ducks Back
Your Quote from Plato is Female Chauvinist in reverse--perhaps that applies to you
IE--the real tragedy of Life is when WOMEN are afraid of the Light
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