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Post by topology on Apr 30, 2013 17:57:08 GMT -5
That's not the big picture. That's something you read in a text book. The words I typed are, sure. But what those words refer to is the large scale structure of the universe, which is itself actually the experiential expression of the pure awareness that is the infinite eternal nothingness of Existence itself. What you call the "totally ordinary" reality is really exactly the same 'thing' simply on a much smaller scale, although it gets much MUCH smaller. I do think we are going to have to agree to disagree, my friend.  Is reality the same as ideas about reality? |
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Post by silence on Apr 30, 2013 18:02:58 GMT -5
But what those words refer to is the large scale structure of the universe, which is itself actually the experiential expression of the pure awareness that is the infinite eternal nothingness of Existence itself. I seriously suggest you read that train wreck of a sentence out loud into a tape recorder and play it back to yourself. My basic impression is that you have cherry picked a bunch of ideas from science and spirituality, mixed them together and out came this. |
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Post by silence on Apr 30, 2013 18:23:55 GMT -5
The words I typed are, sure. But what those words refer to is the large scale structure of the universe, which is itself actually the experiential expression of the pure awareness that is the infinite eternal nothingness of Existence itself. What you call the "totally ordinary" reality is really exactly the same 'thing' simply on a much smaller scale, although it gets much MUCH smaller. I do think we are going to have to agree to disagree, my friend. Is reality the same as ideas about reality? The issue as I see it is whether people think they're getting answers to their questions rather than letting the questions themselves fall away. When the questions collapse and along with them, all the answers one has collected over the years, there isn't something to sell anyone on. It's not what anyone wants. |
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Post by relinquish on Apr 30, 2013 22:13:16 GMT -5
But what those words refer to is the large scale structure of the universe, which is itself actually the experiential expression of the pure awareness that is the infinite eternal nothingness of Existence itself. I seriously suggest you read that train wreck of a sentence out loud into a tape recorder and play it back to yourself. My basic impression is that you have cherry picked a bunch of ideas from science and spirituality, mixed them together and out came this. As far as the core concept that I try to communicate on this forum goes, your basic impression is absolutely right. This "train wreck" (as you quite rightly call it, hehe) is the only way I think of to put my wordless realization into words. I can't communicate the way I feel. Sorry. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 22:31:44 GMT -5
Is reality the same as ideas about reality? The issue as I see it is whether people think they're getting answers to their questions rather than letting the questions themselves fall away. When the questions collapse and along with them, all the answers one has collected over the years, there isn't something to sell anyone on. It's not what anyone wants. Thus spake UG Krishnamurti. |
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Post by topology on Apr 30, 2013 22:37:12 GMT -5
I seriously suggest you read that train wreck of a sentence out loud into a tape recorder and play it back to yourself. My basic impression is that you have cherry picked a bunch of ideas from science and spirituality, mixed them together and out came this. As far as the core concept that I try to communicate on this forum goes, your basic impression is absolutely right. This "train wreck" (as you quite rightly call it, hehe) is the only way I think of to put my wordless realization into words. I can't communicate the way I feel. Sorry. If your realization is wordless, communicate it wordlessly... |
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Post by yann on May 1, 2013 0:40:04 GMT -5
Take the time to look into your own experience.. and what Alan Watts says will be more clear.
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Post by zendancer on May 1, 2013 8:50:56 GMT -5
Is reality the same as ideas about reality? The issue as I see it is whether people think they're getting answers to their questions rather than letting the questions themselves fall away. When the questions collapse and along with them, all the answers one has collected over the years, there isn't something to sell anyone on. It's not what anyone wants. Yes. Finding answers to existential questions is equivalent to seeing through the questions and realizing that they are all based on misconceptions. If we let go of our ideas, we watch life unfold without knowing. Most people want to know; not knowing isn't very popular. To paraphrase Shakespeare, "To imagine or not to imagine? That is the question." |
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Post by silence on May 1, 2013 16:02:16 GMT -5
I seriously suggest you read that train wreck of a sentence out loud into a tape recorder and play it back to yourself. My basic impression is that you have cherry picked a bunch of ideas from science and spirituality, mixed them together and out came this. As far as the core concept that I try to communicate on this forum goes, your basic impression is absolutely right. This "train wreck" (as you quite rightly call it, hehe) is the only way I think of to put my wordless realization into words. I can't communicate the way I feel. Sorry. What do you want someone to do with your realization? It is for you. It is the removal of your own ignorance and what remains in that space is that which yearns to share itself and not the mental interpretation of your realization. You're playing a game where mind is convinving you of it's necessity as a translator. |
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Post by relinquish on May 1, 2013 17:29:30 GMT -5
As far as the core concept that I try to communicate on this forum goes, your basic impression is absolutely right. This "train wreck" (as you quite rightly call it, hehe) is the only way I think of to put my wordless realization into words. I can't communicate the way I feel. Sorry. What do you want someone to do with your realization? It is for you. It is the removal of your own ignorance and what remains in that space is that which yearns to share itself and not the mental interpretation of your realization. You're playing a game where mind is convinving you of it's necessity as a translator. True....very true. Once again, thankyou Silence. |
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Post by relinquish on May 1, 2013 17:31:17 GMT -5
The issue as I see it is whether people think they're getting answers to their questions rather than letting the questions themselves fall away. When the questions collapse and along with them, all the answers one has collected over the years, there isn't something to sell anyone on. It's not what anyone wants. Yes. Finding answers to existential questions is equivalent to seeing through the questions and realizing that they are all based on misconceptions. If we let go of our ideas, we watch life unfold without knowing. Most people want to know; not knowing isn't very popular. To paraphrase Shakespeare, "To imagine or not to imagine? That is the question." Yeah. That's exactly what I was trying say with my "BEHOLD THE UNKNOWN!!!" thread. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 2:04:49 GMT -5
Yes. Finding answers to existential questions is equivalent to seeing through the questions and realizing that they are all based on misconceptions. If we let go of our ideas, we watch life unfold without knowing. Most people want to know; not knowing isn't very popular. To paraphrase Shakespeare, "To imagine or not to imagine? That is the question." Yeah. That's exactly what I was trying say with my "BEHOLD THE UNKNOWN!!!" thread. Translators are born, not made. |
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Post by lolly on May 5, 2013 20:29:41 GMT -5
I dig Alan Watts... though it doesn't have much bearing on my experience... but it's generally ambiguous enough to pretend that it does.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 14:03:29 GMT -5
The words I typed are, sure. But what those words refer to is the large scale structure of the universe, which is itself actually the experiential expression of the pure awareness that is the infinite eternal nothingness of Existence itself. What you call the "totally ordinary" reality is really exactly the same 'thing' simply on a much smaller scale, although it gets much MUCH smaller. I do think we are going to have to agree to disagree, my friend. Is reality the same as ideas about reality? Hmmmm..... perhaps no. Yet can we afford to relinquish the the conceptual mind, to transcend the meme machine? Can we challenge Hawkings assertion that the laws of physics render God unnecessary, and wonder instead if the Law of God renders the laws of physics unnecessary? |
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Post by topology on May 7, 2013 14:07:39 GMT -5
Is reality the same as ideas about reality? Hmmmm..... perhaps no. Yet can we afford to relinquish the the conceptual mind, to transcend the meme machine? Can we challenge Hawkings assertion that the laws of physics render God unnecessary, and wonder instead if the Law of God renders the laws of physics unnecessary? I suppose we are doomed to ponder until there are no more ponderings.  |
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