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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 10:51:18 GMT -5
I just gave about 5 or 6 clear reasons why I don't challenge Silver. I could probably provide about 5 or 6 reasons why I don't challenge Arisha all that much (even though we have discussed stuff). To say I 'corner' Top is a slight....misuse of language I feel. I'm sure you could come up with endless reasons. It looks like cornering to me, and it's clear that if he were more biased toward your position there wouldn't be the motivation to corner him. For example, he's clearly stated his negative view on mocking, but you want to be sure he has 'personally and directly' challenged me on the matter. That's cornering. You want to paint him as biased, and what's clear is that he's far less biased than you are. This word 'biased' is a word that doesn't really mean much when we look closer at it. We all have motivations for challenging who/whatever we challenge. You have your own motivations, so does Reefs, so does Top, so does Silver, so do I. I would say that I am challenging Top on something, yes. Specifically, I am challenging the idea that in a community setting, it is more important to address 'the being stung', than it is to address the stingers. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 10:51:38 GMT -5
He also never challenged Hetero's mocking and sniping and name calling. And at the same time tells me that he has to speak up against mocking when he sees it.  Yup. Highly suspicious secret motivations at work. I'm sure he has 6 excuses though. Oh, I wanna see those excuses! That will involve a lot of creativity.  |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 10:52:11 GMT -5
He also never challenged Hetero's mocking and sniping and name calling. And at the same time tells me that he has to speak up against mocking when he sees it. Yup. Highly suspicious secret motivations at work. I'm sure he has 6 excuses though. I don't need excuses when I've got reasons. I could give you a bunch of reasons why I challenge you. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 10:53:02 GMT -5
He also never challenged Hetero's mocking and sniping and name calling. And at the same time tells me that he has to speak up against mocking when he sees it. You want another long list of motives? Yup. Make it 10 this time. Why do you accuse me of mocking and not Hetero? Why do have to speak up against me and not Hetero? |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 10:59:04 GMT -5
I'm sure you could come up with endless reasons. It looks like cornering to me, and it's clear that if he were more biased toward your position there wouldn't be the motivation to corner him. For example, he's clearly stated his negative view on mocking, but you want to be sure he has 'personally and directly' challenged me on the matter. That's cornering. You want to paint him as biased, and what's clear is that he's far less biased than you are. This word 'biased' is a word that doesn't really mean much when we look closer at it. We all have motivations for challenging who/whatever we challenge. You have your own motivations, so does Reefs, so does Top, so does Silver, so do I. I would say that I am challenging Top on something, yes. Specifically, I am challenging the idea that in a community setting, it is more important to address 'the being stung', than it is to address the stingers. When you address mocking, wouldn't it appropriate to address all the mockers? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 11:04:12 GMT -5
You want another long list of motives? Yup. Make it 10 this time. 10 is more than I am willing to give. a) I see 'dox as balanced in his approach to spirituality and non-duality, and I think he is correctly challenging an imbalance that he sees on the forum. b) I think he brings an energy of kindness and compassion to the forum, which is valuable. c) I don't experience any actual incongruency between claims and behaviour. d) I experience him as authentic. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 11:08:24 GMT -5
This word 'biased' is a word that doesn't really mean much when we look closer at it. We all have motivations for challenging who/whatever we challenge. You have your own motivations, so does Reefs, so does Top, so does Silver, so do I. I would say that I am challenging Top on something, yes. Specifically, I am challenging the idea that in a community setting, it is more important to address 'the being stung', than it is to address the stingers. When you address mocking, wouldn't it appropriate to address all the mockers? In regards to mocking specifically, I only see 2 or 3 people at the very heart of it. And I think these same ones would tell people that 'being stung' is their responsibility, and these same ones make claims about Love that I see as incongruent with the mocking. |
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Post by silver on Mar 22, 2013 11:09:09 GMT -5
He also never challenged Hetero's mocking and sniping and name calling. And at the same time tells me that he has to speak up against mocking when he sees it. Yup. Highly suspicious secret motivations at work. I'm sure he has 6 excuses though. Twisting! Caught ya red-handed! Using word substitutes to skew your accusations 'your way' - You are the suspicious one(s). (Don't worry - I've learned after long last not to take all this sh!t so seriously.) You are doing your darndest to intimidate. You should know better by now... |
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Post by silver on Mar 22, 2013 11:19:52 GMT -5
I just gave about 5 or 6 clear reasons why I don't challenge Silver. I could probably provide about 5 or 6 reasons why I don't challenge Arisha all that much (even though we have discussed stuff). To say I 'corner' Top is a slight....misuse of language I feel. I'm sure you could come up with endless reasons. It looks like cornering to me, and it's clear that if he were more biased toward your position there wouldn't be the motivation to corner him. For example, he's clearly stated his negative view on mocking, but you want to be sure he has 'personally and directly' challenged me on the matter. That's cornering. You want to paint him as biased, and what's clear is that he's far less biased than you are.  |
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Post by topology on Mar 22, 2013 11:33:07 GMT -5
Andrew, your response looks like someone who perceives themselves to be attacked and is lashing back out looking for weakness in his opponent. If this is true, then there's no difference in either's behavior - same same. I'm startled by your choosing sides, Top. That's what I see, anyway - I could be wrong...not like the Top I once knew. And I'm surprised you still see choosing sides. Do you think I like Reefs personality or something? |
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Post by silver on Mar 22, 2013 11:37:02 GMT -5
If this is true, then there's no difference in either's behavior - same same. I'm startled by your choosing sides, Top. That's what I see, anyway - I could be wrong...not like the Top I once knew. And I'm surprised you still see choosing sides. Do you think I like Reefs personality or something? I wouldn't venture a guess on that one... What I see / sense is a huddle - a game-playing. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 11:37:53 GMT -5
Yup. Make it 10 this time. 10 is more than I am willing to give. a) I see 'dox as balanced in his approach to spirituality and non-duality, and I think he is correctly challenging an imbalance that he sees on the forum. b) I think he brings an energy of kindness and compassion to the forum, which is valuable. c) I don't experience any actual incongruency between claims and behaviour. d) I experience him as authentic. Bwahaha!!!  a) you did notice that he was just copy&pasting Deepak Chorpa, yes? b) you did notice that he is after Enigma via at least 5 different incarnations, yes? c) you did notice that he got banned twice for name calling, yes? d) you did notice that he sold the Chopra quotes as his own musings, yes? |
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Post by topology on Mar 22, 2013 11:38:38 GMT -5
Between E and R, I find R's caustic nature to be more mocking, exhibiting a lack of care for the person. What I experience from E is actually a great amount of care. The reason I focus more on the person who feels stung, it is that perception of "I am weak and woundable, and you wounded me" that needs healing. On this thread? right now with you, I have 0 grievance. there is a difference between being open to facilitation of another's growth and going out of your way to push them through changes you think they need to make. In the former there is also a letting go of how you think other people should change for an acceptance of how they are changing. You think every little sting should be addressed by going within? Personally, I don't think every little thing is worth addressing and 'healing'. But then I probably have slightly different priorities and values to you. Personally I think there is a time and a place to go within and a time and a place to challenge the mocking. So you haven't directly (personally) challenged E on his mocking? I haven't felt the impulse to challenge E on his mocking, no. Every little sting should be addressed by going within. This does not preclude going without to set boundaries. However, setting boundaries to preserve and maintain a sense of woundedness is not coming from a place of wholeness either. The more important question is not why is the other person acting in a manner which might wound someone if the other person is sensitive, it is why should someone allow themselves to be wounded when they don't have to be? Predicating our happiness on another person's behavior is no recipe for happiness. You have to unhook your external dependencies. |
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Post by topology on Mar 22, 2013 11:45:48 GMT -5
The reason I focus more on the person who feels stung, it is that perception of "I am weak and woundable, and you wounded me" that needs healing. I guess all those commercials trying to make people aware of verbal/mental/emotional abuse was empty and meaningless. I guess you passive aggressive commenting hasn't stopped? Still trying to change my behavior?  |
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Post by silver on Mar 22, 2013 11:58:18 GMT -5
I guess all those commercials trying to make people aware of verbal/mental/emotional abuse was empty and meaningless. I guess you passive aggressive commenting hasn't stopped? Still trying to change my behavior? Ooh. Tough guy this morning, ay? I don't know, Top......maybe you see all women who aren't afraid (relatively speaking) to challenge people's ideas as 'manipulative' - I thought it was a decent general comment about the issue. It's not all about you. |
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