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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 10:02:49 GMT -5
He did the 'consciousness talking to consciousness' cop out. Basically he attached himself to a 'prior to everything' position. Which might be true in one context but not the ultimate truth. Hard to shake those guys out of their stuckness. He has transcended the personal and got stuck in the impersonal. Basically he was only swapping beliefs. Given his particular path and the dangers that come with that path, playing identity poker now and then would have been useful. He was even so deluded that he couldn't see his attachment to cheap cigarettes. He called it 'a habit of the body'. Haha! Yeah, right. The body cop out.  I can't help but think his behavior wouldn't have been so low if his teacher had been Bashar the magnificent. Tsk, tsk.  In that case we would have to deal with a lot of gibberish.  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 10:07:12 GMT -5
So you figgr you put him in his place with that one?  Now, what is your motivation for challenging me on this? Can we establish first of all if you consider Reefs to have conducted himself in a way that reflects the absence of 'the person' in the last page or two? Do you consider Reefs to have been facilitating peace in the last 2 pages, or facilitating discord? Facilitating peace might not have been his hidden motivation. Is it yours? I don't think Andrew is 'into' putting peeps in their place - I haven't seen that, anyway... my 2 pesos Wait until Andrew is going to challenge you and ask you about your motivations for your sniping. .. That will be a cold day in hell! |
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Post by silver on Mar 22, 2013 10:09:01 GMT -5
I don't think Andrew is 'into' putting peeps in their place - I haven't seen that, anyway... my 2 pesos Wait until Andrew is going to challenge you and ask you about your motivations for your sniping. .. That will be a cold day in hell! Sniping-schmiping. I'm sorry you don't like to be challenged by anyone for anything. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 10:15:10 GMT -5
I don't think Andrew is 'into' putting peeps in their place - I haven't seen that, anyway... my 2 pesos Wait until Andrew is going to challenge you and ask you about your motivations for your sniping. .. That will be a cold day in hell! I don't challenge Silver for good reason. a) The kind of thing that people challenge her on isn't really my interest, and even if I was interested there are plenty of people already challenging her on that stuff, b) I don't see an incongruency between her behaviour and who she presents herself to be, c) I haven't seen Silver state a particular interest and until that happens, I am happy to sit back, d) I quite often agree with her intuition on subjects, e) My sense of Silver is that just her being here and absorbing is enough for her for now, f) I think she offers something to the forum and if she was pushed any more than she has been pushed, then she might leave and I like her being here. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 10:16:04 GMT -5
So you figgr you put him in his place with that one? Now, what is your motivation for challenging me on this? Can we establish first of all if you consider Reefs to have conducted himself in a way that reflects the absence of 'the person' in the last page or two? Do you consider Reefs to have been facilitating peace in the last 2 pages, or facilitating discord? Facilitating peace might not have been his hidden motivation. Is it yours? I figured he might back off a bit, yes, even if just for a while, but 'putting him in his place' is not correct. In that case, in order to get him to 'back off a bit', you would have to have shamed him. Do you seriously think you have accomplished that? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 10:19:45 GMT -5
I figured he might back off a bit, yes, even if just for a while, but 'putting him in his place' is not correct. In that case, in order to get him to 'back off a bit', you would have to have shamed him. Do you seriously think you have accomplished that? I think there is a touch of something there with regard to his and your forum. Something slightly...unresolved. |
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Post by silver on Mar 22, 2013 10:22:22 GMT -5
Enigma said:
I seriously doubt 'shaming' was what he had in mind - like a lot of people, they're simply trying to make their point(s) and hope that it is 'absorbed', understood and acknowledged.
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 10:27:52 GMT -5
I don't think Andrew is 'into' putting peeps in their place - I haven't seen that, anyway... my 2 pesos Wait until Andrew is going to challenge you and ask you about your motivations for your sniping. .. That will be a cold day in hell! Right, Silver is not a threat to Andrew's stories, and so he will never apply the same moral code to her that he does to those who are a threat. He corners Top and others for any hint of what he perceives to be bias. He wants to know if your humor is facilitating peace and ignores Arisha's hateful crusade, all the while accusing his enemies of bias but completely misses the log jam in his own eye. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 10:30:46 GMT -5
Wait until Andrew is going to challenge you and ask you about your motivations for your sniping. .. That will be a cold day in hell! Right, Silver is not a threat to Andrew's stories, and so he will never apply the same moral code to her that he does to those who are a threat. He corners Top and others for any hint of what he perceives to be bias. He wants to know if your humor is facilitating peace and ignores Arisha's hateful crusade, all the while accusing his enemies of bias but completely misses the log jam in his own eye. I just gave about 5 or 6 clear reasons why I don't challenge Silver. I could probably provide about 5 or 6 reasons why I don't challenge Arisha all that much (even though we have discussed stuff). To say I 'corner' Top is a slight....misuse of language I feel. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 10:32:06 GMT -5
Wait until Andrew is going to challenge you and ask you about your motivations for your sniping. .. That will be a cold day in hell! I don't challenge Silver for good reason. a) The kind of thing that people challenge her on isn't really my interest, and even if I was interested there are plenty of people already challenging her on that stuff, b) I don't see an incongruency between her behaviour and who she presents herself to be, c) I haven't seen Silver state a particular interest and until that happens, I am happy to sit back, d) I quite often agree with her intuition on subjects, e) My sense of Silver is that just her being here and absorbing is enough for her for now, f) I think she offers something to the forum and if she was pushed any more than she has been pushed, then she might leave and I like her being here. Thanks for this long list of motives.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 10:32:38 GMT -5
In that case, in order to get him to 'back off a bit', you would have to have shamed him. Do you seriously think you have accomplished that? I think there is a touch of something there with regard to his and your forum. Something slightly...unresolved. Of course you do. You see personal issues everywhere except where they actually are. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 22, 2013 10:37:10 GMT -5
Wait until Andrew is going to challenge you and ask you about your motivations for your sniping. .. That will be a cold day in hell! Right, Silver is not a threat to Andrew's stories, and so he will never apply the same moral code to her that he does to those who are a threat. He corners Top and others for any hint of what he perceives to be bias. He wants to know if your humor is facilitating peace and ignores Arisha's hateful crusade, all the while accusing his enemies of bias but completely misses the log jam in his own eye. He also never challenged Hetero's mocking and sniping and name calling. And at the same time tells me that he has to speak up against mocking when he sees it.  |
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Post by andrew on Mar 22, 2013 10:40:53 GMT -5
Right, Silver is not a threat to Andrew's stories, and so he will never apply the same moral code to her that he does to those who are a threat. He corners Top and others for any hint of what he perceives to be bias. He wants to know if your humor is facilitating peace and ignores Arisha's hateful crusade, all the while accusing his enemies of bias but completely misses the log jam in his own eye. He also never challenged Hetero's mocking and sniping and name calling. And at the same time tells me that he has to speak up against mocking when he sees it. You want another long list of motives? |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 10:45:19 GMT -5
Right, Silver is not a threat to Andrew's stories, and so he will never apply the same moral code to her that he does to those who are a threat. He corners Top and others for any hint of what he perceives to be bias. He wants to know if your humor is facilitating peace and ignores Arisha's hateful crusade, all the while accusing his enemies of bias but completely misses the log jam in his own eye. I just gave about 5 or 6 clear reasons why I don't challenge Silver. I could probably provide about 5 or 6 reasons why I don't challenge Arisha all that much (even though we have discussed stuff). To say I 'corner' Top is a slight....misuse of language I feel. I'm sure you could come up with endless reasons. It looks like cornering to me, and it's clear that if he were more biased toward your position there wouldn't be the motivation to corner him. For example, he's clearly stated his negative view on mocking, but you want to be sure he has 'personally and directly' challenged me on the matter. That's cornering. You want to paint him as biased, and what's clear is that he's far less biased than you are. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 22, 2013 10:48:17 GMT -5
Right, Silver is not a threat to Andrew's stories, and so he will never apply the same moral code to her that he does to those who are a threat. He corners Top and others for any hint of what he perceives to be bias. He wants to know if your humor is facilitating peace and ignores Arisha's hateful crusade, all the while accusing his enemies of bias but completely misses the log jam in his own eye. He also never challenged Hetero's mocking and sniping and name calling. And at the same time tells me that he has to speak up against mocking when he sees it. Yup. Highly suspicious secret motivations at work. I'm sure he has 6 excuses though. |
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