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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 11:34:16 GMT -5
You musta missed it. There have been a few times, but mostly he's only has to say it briefly. Either he's right or he's wrong. When he's right, I'm grateful. When he's wrong, I tell him. Briefly. So they're easy to miss - they don't go on for 50 pages. Your metaphor there is pretty funny. So in my little happy-place I can't see others in pain and anguish? Heehee. Where's the pain and anguish coming from? Nah...I wasn't so much referring to "pain and anguish there", just more an inability to empathize with or see what others are saying as you personally have had quite a different experience with E than some others here. And yes, I've never seen you tell E he was wrong... From what I've seen Quinn, it's just not really your style to argue for point of view. Therefore, even if you and E disagree on some small point, you'd likely just stop discussing it & let it go, before it ever got to the point of him mocking what he regarded to be your delusion or making sideways remarks about you to another whom he does see eye to eye with. For the most part though, you guys do very much agree and he regularly mentions you as one of the women on here he sees as being clear. |
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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 11:35:05 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, there's a monkey sitting on your head and pulling your hair, Silver. Aww, well - maybe he's the one who bit me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 11:37:37 GMT -5
No, I'm actually saying no 'me' acted. If it wasn't 'you' then something else invaded or acted upon your body or through your body. When we talk about 'doing but no doer', we are really pointing to a state. It's not actually true that 'the doer' is totally absent (even IF this 'doer' is a thought) from the experience. If it was, there would be no sense of cause and effect, no sense of purpose, no sense of motivatation, no sense of values, no sense of this being an experience, and none of these things would have any meaning. None of this stuff is left behind, nothing 'personal' is left behind, and neither is the experience of there being 'a doer', or 'a you'. When I was thinking about you earlier, a memory popped into my mind of something that happened some years ago in a gas station. A guy basically tried to steal something, the security jumped on him and the guy started hyperventilating in a big way. 'Unthinkingly' I stepped in to loosen the guards grip on the guy a bit and calm him down. I put my hand on his chest, spoke to him quietly and he calmed down. The guards stepped away and I stayed with the guy until the police came. This all happened 'in flow'. Afterwards I looked back on my actions and it seemed like a dream, like....'who the hell was that?'. It had all happened without thinking, without deliberation. But when my friends asked me about it (they had been there too), I could identify the motivation at every step of the way. I'm sure that if you wanted to, you could look closely at your motivation for reporting the posts, even though it happened spontaneously and seemingly thoughtlessly. You didn't used to report posts but something changed last year. There's the clue. I don't even care WHAT it is to be honest, I just don't accept that it happened without any sense of motivation. That's a great story Andrew and one that very much demonstrates how at the time, there may be no self referential thought involved and every action just seems to unfold, but in retrospect, we can very much connect with the sense of motivation and purpose behind it all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 11:42:33 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, there's a monkey sitting on your head and pulling your hair, Silver. Is that monkey any different than the one that sat on your head when you were pointing out the problems with this forum? Why when Silver points to something being amiss, do allegations of venom and monkeys spring up? When others point, it's just folks stating their (divergent) opinions? |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 18, 2013 11:44:17 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, there's a monkey sitting on your head and pulling your hair, Silver. Is that monkey any different than the one that sat on your head when you were pointing out the problems with this forum? Why when Silver points to something being amiss, do allegations of venom and monkeys spring up? When others point, it's just folks stating their (divergent) opinions? It was a joke about her avatar. Silver got it, you didn't. I wonder why? May I ask for you motivations? |
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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 11:46:46 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, there's a monkey sitting on your head and pulling your hair, Silver. Is that monkey any different than the one that sat on your head when you were pointing out the problems with this forum? Why when Silver points to something being amiss, do allegations of venom and monkeys spring up? When others point, it's just folks stating their (divergent) opinions? I 'liked' your post/response, fig because there is that feeling - a grain of truth to your comment/question. Since I very well be naive to what he may have been 'getting at' - IF anything, I chose to take it as a quip about my newish avatar, for the moment...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 11:48:00 GMT -5
Is that monkey any different than the one that sat on your head when you were pointing out the problems with this forum? Why when Silver points to something being amiss, do allegations of venom and monkeys spring up? When others point, it's just folks stating their (divergent) opinions? It was a joke about her avatar. Silver got it, you didn't. I wonder why? May I ask for you motivations? Oh okay. Guess I was focused on the fact that Silver seems to take a lot of flack around here and evidently my humor button was covered up in the process.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2013 11:49:16 GMT -5
Is that monkey any different than the one that sat on your head when you were pointing out the problems with this forum? Why when Silver points to something being amiss, do allegations of venom and monkeys spring up? When others point, it's just folks stating their (divergent) opinions? I 'liked' your post/response, fig because there is that feeling - a grain of truth to your comment/question. Since I very well be naive to what he may have been 'getting at' - IF anything, I chose to take it as a quip about my newish avatar, for the moment... How'd you like mine?....my 'pimped up' pup on Halloween. |
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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 11:50:39 GMT -5
I 'liked' your post/response, fig because there is that feeling - a grain of truth to your comment/question. Since I very well be naive to what he may have been 'getting at' - IF anything, I chose to take it as a quip about my newish avatar, for the moment... How'd you like mine?....my 'pimped up' pup on Halloween. That's really cute! Adorable~ |
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Post by topology on Mar 18, 2013 11:55:30 GMT -5
I'm not questioning anyone's right to point something out. I've already said that's what everyone's doing. It's what I'm doing right now. I'm talking about the expectation that E needs to agree with you that he has that attachment. Or barring that, that he needs to say, "Oh, thank you for pointing that out. I've looked and this is what I've found." (Ok, don't focus on the 'thank you' part. I know you don't expect that.  ). Seems to me that those who are hammering E with "look at your delusions/attachments", when backed into a corner of why they're doing it, say it has to do with protecting the forum (or a poster). I'm calling foul on that. E is for Enigma - no this isn't a poem... E is for Entitled - Quinn thinks he should be...
E is for Enabling - which I think is what Quinn is doing 'for' him.E is for E-lusion - that E has a whole host of peeps 'backed into a corner'. E is for egg - no fowl here. Silver, Let me spell out what looks like sniper fire to me. Quinn had not been engaging you and she wasn't talking about you directly (as far as I saw). She did call out a few people, Andrew, MG, Arisha, Tzu, etc. So from the sidelines you take this shot. You are projecting onto Quinn that you think she thinks E is entitled, when that is how you think he acts. And then you accuse Quinn of enabling, which indicates you view E's behavior negatively. You're perceiving Quinn as supportive of E and you're attempting to weaken the perceived support base. For someone who doesn't hold a grudge against E, you seem to be acting like you do, to the point of sniping at people you view as his allies. The reason I am saying you have a wound and that it is festering is because you inserted yourself into a discussion which you were not involved. The target of your commenting was Enigma ultimately, but manifested itself indirectly through firing at Quinn. You have a fixation with taking E down or seeing him "get what's coming to him" and you'll snipe at anyone who might interfere with that. Very indirect, and the degree of indirectness is evidence of the degree of how subconscious the wound is that you're operating from. You've claimed to not have a dog in the fight in the past, but when confronted, you admitted to having one. Now again you're claiming to not hold a grudge, but your actions clearly demonstrate that you are. |
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Post by topology on Mar 18, 2013 12:02:11 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, there's a monkey sitting on your head and pulling your hair, Silver. Aww, well - maybe he's the one who bit me. Go much earlier in your life than what is happening right now. What bit you did it long before you joined the forum. Remember the bad poetry thread? You admitted that Reefs and Enigma's actions brought up some old wounds in your life, which felt like an Atom Bomb going off in your psyche. Reefs and Enigma didn't put the atom bomb there, but you still blame them for hitting the detonator. You blame them for having natures which have a tendency for hitting people's detonators. The real issue is how did the atom bombs get there in the first place? Fixating on E and R is a convenient distraction for going deeper into looking at why you find them so irritating to the point that you want to lash out at them. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 18, 2013 12:03:41 GMT -5
Hehe....and there's the reason why Quinn cannot see what others here are saying. It reminds me of someone who lives in a country where peace and prosperity reigns, chastizing those who live in a war torn, poor country for pointing out the problems......telling them to 'stop complaining.' Quinn has never been the brunt of E's mocking or dismissal and he's never argued his pov over hers. Your metaphor there is pretty funny. So in my little happy-place I can't see others in pain and anguish? Heehee. Where's the pain and anguish coming from? Yeah, that's the way 'sincere' discussions usually go. The other kind of discussions are what makes me grateful for you. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 18, 2013 12:06:22 GMT -5
You musta missed it. There have been a few times, but mostly he's only has to say it briefly. Either he's right or he's wrong. When he's right, I'm grateful. When he's wrong, I tell him. Briefly. So they're easy to miss - they don't go on for 50 pages.Your metaphor there is pretty funny. So in my little happy-place I can't see others in pain and anguish? Heehee. Where's the pain and anguish coming from? Yeah, that's the way 'sincere' discussions usually go. The other kind of discussions are what makes me grateful for you.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 18, 2013 12:10:59 GMT -5
Experience suggests that whatever I say here, it will be dismissed, and I am not blaming you for that. Your frame of reference is such that whatever I said as a direct reply would genuinely and truthfully seem absurd to you. So I will say this instead. In order to see what is being said to you, I think would be helpful to look at the ideas that you have dismissed as false, and find the relative truth and validity in them. Including free will, volition, separation, cause and effect, selves. I guess whether you do it or not depends on whether you see any potential value in seeing what we see. In a way, it DOES come down the free willys vs the no free willys,(volition and separation are the same issue) cuz that's where ego gets triggered, goes unconscious and starts lashing out and then looking for ways to justify itself. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 18, 2013 12:14:15 GMT -5
Where did I say I think you're stuck on being mad at E? Right now you seem to be mad at me. Okay. Here it goes. I stopped being 'mad' at him for things in the past, and yet he most definitely has a way of irritating (!) enough peeps to make it pretty remarkable in its consistency, and it's not news that I'm one of those who find him consistently irritating. Perhaps I assumed it in this instance. Yes, I do have a way of irritating peeps with remarkable consistency. We finally agree on something! |
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