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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 9:35:40 GMT -5
Seems to be the charge laid against E. Everyone is accusing everyone else of wagging the dog.  You're right! Ironically, I'm bringing this up because I'm tired of all the focus on Enigma and his 'problems'. I'm focusing on E in the hopes that we can focus on other topics. Haha! You're still defending the cr*p out of him and why, I have no idea... Other topics? Like what? Whenever they - uh he - is running bare-nekked like a toddler, all they - uh he does is gleefully deride and mock and make fun of others that don't agree with him (usually) - I guess if that's his idea of fun, but it seems completely inappropriate and a major distraction from *shrug* typical stuff that grownup peeps wanna discuss on any given forum. It kinda grosses me out, tbh. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 18, 2013 9:35:56 GMT -5
To use a metaphor, what I am suggesting is that we become like expert kayakers navigating a river. The expert kayaker knows how to follow the path of least resistance, and sometimes that might mean going for it, sometimes it might mean putting the brakes on, sometimes it might mean paddling round something, sometimes it might mean just sitting back and chilling out, sometimes it might mean getting out the river entirely until the conditions have changed. Lots of different options, but the more fear we release, and the deeper into acceptance we shift, the more naturally and easily we are able to follow the path of least resistance. We become flexible and lighter in our handling and find more joy in the unfolding.
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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 9:41:19 GMT -5
E is for Enigma - no this isn't a poem... E is for Entitled - Quinn thinks he should be... E is for Enabling - which I think is what Quinn is doing 'for' him. E is for E-lusion - that E has a whole host of peeps 'backed into a corner'. E is for egg - no fowl here. Here's the thing, Silver. I don't see what you see. Where I see someone speaking in an assured manner, you see arrogance (entitlement). Enabling? I can't do that 'for' someone. It's kind of laughable to think that Enigma needs me to back him up. I don't think so! And I didn't say Enigma has people backed into a corner - I said "If backed into a corner...", i.e., when pressed for an answer. Kind of ironic that you "E-lusion-ed" that. Every adult with half a brain knows the diff between assured and arrogance. You know what I mean by enabling. You back him up, anyway - we all do this. Your only defense is that? That I 'e-lusioned' such-and-such? Case closed for seeing only what you wanna see. |
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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 9:42:48 GMT -5
E is for Enigma - no this isn't a poem... E is for Entitled - Quinn thinks he should be... E is for Enabling - which I think is what Quinn is doing 'for' him. E is for E-lusion - that E has a whole host of peeps 'backed into a corner'. E is for egg - no fowl here. True to your MO, Silver. Wtd is my MO, Top? In your eyes/mind/whatever? |
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Post by enigma on Mar 18, 2013 9:53:45 GMT -5
Maybe love made him do it??  That's been you pulling that card lately...'It weren't me, it was Love! I couldn't help me'self! Love just grabbed hold of me fingers and had me push that report button. I had no motivation to do it, honest!' Yeah, that's the image that's so funny, but of course it's your image. It kinda makes sense if you see Love as an 'addition' to the self rather than an absence of the self. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 18, 2013 9:57:57 GMT -5
That's been you pulling that card lately...'It weren't me, it was Love! I couldn't help me'self! Love just grabbed hold of me fingers and had me push that report button. I had no motivation to do it, honest!' Yeah, that's the image that's so funny, but of course it's your image. It kinda makes sense if you see Love as an 'addition' to the self rather than an absence of the self. In saying that you had no motivation at all, you are basically saying that something acted upon you or through you. I don't see love as an addition to the self, but I think its possible to experience more of what we are, and in doing so, we are likely to experience more love. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 18, 2013 10:01:23 GMT -5
He may confesslessly confess to being stucklessly stuck in the state of egoless ego. Bathing in the warmth of all this love from you and Reefsy right now, you guys should really be teaching people how to be so loving. Well, soitainly there's some affection for you, but really right now I'm just making fun of your ideas.  The 'How to be more loving' classes start next week.  |
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Post by andrew on Mar 18, 2013 10:02:54 GMT -5
Bathing in the warmth of all this love from you and Reefsy right now, you guys should really be teaching people how to be so loving. Well, soitainly there's some affection for you, but really right now I'm just making fun of your ideas. The 'How to be more loving' classes start next week. I can't wait! |
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Post by topology on Mar 18, 2013 10:11:37 GMT -5
You're right! Ironically, I'm bringing this up because I'm tired of all the focus on Enigma and his 'problems'. I'm focusing on E in the hopes that we can focus on other topics. Haha! You're still defending the cr*p out of him and why, I have no idea... Other topics? Like what? Whenever they - uh he - is running bare-nekked like a toddler, all they - uh he does is gleefully deride and mock and make fun of others that don't agree with him (usually) - I guess if that's his idea of fun, but it seems completely inappropriate and a major distraction from *shrug* typical stuff that grownup peeps wanna discuss on any given forum. It kinda grosses me out, tbh. Be sure to get all the venom out in one go. You don't want to leave any of that poison inside to rot and fester over time. |
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Post by topology on Mar 18, 2013 10:15:59 GMT -5
Wtd is my MO, Top? In your eyes/mind/whatever? Not engaging in the primary conflict but taking sniping shots at the people you perceive as your enemies or their allies. |
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Post by quinn on Mar 18, 2013 10:16:55 GMT -5
To the first paragraph - ok. I don't want to belabor it. To the second, I guess I wasn't clear on the 'foul' part. I meant I don't think that's the real reason people go after E. I think he jiggles some splinter-like thing that's already there. Some chose to go after the 'jiggler' rather than the splinter. Okay, well I wouldn't disagree with that. What I sometimes do (when I am irritable usually), is to see everyone on this forum as within me (i.e. physical reality is a pure reflection of my state) and that each person here represents an aspect of 'myself'. In this sense, when I am irritable, I am in judgement of myself and denying as aspect of myself. I can then normally dig into a bit of compassion, and then.... appreciation/joy for what's happening. However, equally, I really do think there is a time to challenge the 'jiggler' (to use your word). A few years ago, I was doing a LOT of questioning beliefs (Byron Katie), and eventually I realized that the questioning itself was being used so as not to address a situation right in front of my eyes in my own house. I was using 'tools' to try and get rid of anger, but of course the anger wouldn't go because it was a clue to take action. 'Discernment' might be a useful idea here....discerning when to take 'internal' action and when to take 'external action', to address something, to change something at the level of form. I'm not saying I always get it right, I'm just saying I don't always concern myself with the internal cause of 'the splinter'...sometimes I just respond externally. Reminds me of this Tolle quote... ''If you find your here and now intolerable and it makes you unhappy, you have three options: remove yourself from the situation, change it, or accept it totally.'' Again though, it all boils down to our values, priorities and goals as to how we are on the forum. Yes, I understand what you're saying. And I mostly agree. I just don't agree that what's going on has anything to do with 'change it' in the Tolle quote. Not when it's pages and pages and pages over years and years. Anyway, here I am belaboring it. Gotta go. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 18, 2013 10:25:25 GMT -5
Yes, I see what you are saying. With regard to E, although I also think he is blinded by his beliefs, if I really thought that he had no potential to see what he is doing, I also wouldn't bother. "What he is doing" is exactly what you all are doing. Pointing out where you see delusion. You just want him to be mannerly while he's doing it. What belief are you all assuming he's blinded by? Or does each person have their own perception of where the blindness is? Let's see what I can come up with: Arisha: E doesn't believe that service to others is more important than self like I do M-G: E shouldn't use harsh words like "blackmail" and doesn't see self-love the same as I do Andrew: E appears to be excluding stuff and should include everything like I do Tzu: E needs to be still and look within like I do Focusing on E is a handy diversion from looking at the stories in our own heads. There's that refreshing clarity again. Well, okay, at least from my perspective. That's where the stories can potentially be seen for the projections they are; by noticing that they don't correlate well in spite of the fact that there's great advantage in getting those stories to match and showing a unified front. That's mostly why I tried to encourage some of the projectors to talk to each other, which they don't so much because they each have their own separate stories. Figs and Andrew have a unified front, but otherwise it's difficult for all the anti-Enigma folks to talk to each other except in vague head-nodding terms. (Yup, he's hopeless and will never hear anything different. Not much point in trying to change his evil ways. All we can do is pray for him.) |
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Post by quinn on Mar 18, 2013 10:28:37 GMT -5
You're right! Ironically, I'm bringing this up because I'm tired of all the focus on Enigma and his 'problems'. I'm focusing on E in the hopes that we can focus on other topics. Haha! You're still defending the cr*p out of him and why, I have no idea... Other topics? Like what? Whenever they - uh he - is running bare-nekked like a toddler, all they - uh he does is gleefully deride and mock and make fun of others that don't agree with him (usually) - I guess if that's his idea of fun, but it seems completely inappropriate and a major distraction from *shrug* typical stuff that grownup peeps wanna discuss on any given forum. It kinda grosses me out, tbh. Right. You and I are not seeing the same thing. Which one is right? (Be careful, it's a trick question) |
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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 10:34:17 GMT -5
You're still defending the cr*p out of him and why, I have no idea... Other topics? Like what? Whenever they - uh he - is running bare-nekked like a toddler, all they - uh he does is gleefully deride and mock and make fun of others that don't agree with him (usually) - I guess if that's his idea of fun, but it seems completely inappropriate and a major distraction from *shrug* typical stuff that grownup peeps wanna discuss on any given forum. It kinda grosses me out, tbh. Right. You and I are not seeing the same thing. Which one is right? (Be careful, it's a trick question) There is no right/wrong, just as there is no truth. These things, these situations are everchanging just like the ocean moves. You and Top seem to think I'm stuck on being 'mad at E' when it's something that couldn't be further from the truth. It's a jawdropping moment when Top says the kind of things he just said to me - like, non-duallies think it's wrong to express precisely how we feel when we feel it??? Like wow. |
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Post by silver on Mar 18, 2013 10:37:02 GMT -5
You're still defending the cr*p out of him and why, I have no idea... Other topics? Like what? Whenever they - uh he - is running bare-nekked like a toddler, all they - uh he does is gleefully deride and mock and make fun of others that don't agree with him (usually) - I guess if that's his idea of fun, but it seems completely inappropriate and a major distraction from *shrug* typical stuff that grownup peeps wanna discuss on any given forum. It kinda grosses me out, tbh. Be sure to get all the venom out in one go. You don't want to leave any of that poison inside to rot and fester over time. So I'm the snake now, huh? You're quite funny, Top. Is venom known to fester and rot in a real snake or spider or - frog? No. It's a natural defense/offense system that 'god' put there. And uh, thanks for the invitation. |
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You're right! Ironically, I'm bringing this up because I'm tired of all the focus on Enigma and his 'problems'. I'm focusing on E in the hopes that we can focus on other topics. Haha!
