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Post by silver on Mar 16, 2013 22:24:26 GMT -5
The best that anyone can do is point something out that they see themselves (accurate or not). Nobody can make another see something, so it's silly to 'tell people what to see'. People will see what they see. like lions and tigers and bears oh my!?! Is it just me, or are you getting weird in your old age, Laughter? Oh, btw, I think your 'flavor' is Laughy-Taffy (pudding)~* |
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Post by silver on Mar 16, 2013 22:26:23 GMT -5
Seems to me what is most obvious is that my behavior definitely does NOT serve my personal interests. Isn't that why you're trying to get me out of prison, and Figgy is trying to teach me the fine art of introspection, and Andrew is trying to get me unstuck and Arisha is telling me my situation is hopeless and Silver thinks I'm Beelzebub on a lilly pad? Oh! This is much better than this morning's cr*pfest! ~claps hands with childlike excitement~ |
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Post by laughter on Mar 16, 2013 22:33:21 GMT -5
like lions and tigers and bears oh my!?! Is it just me, or are you getting weird in your old age, Laughter? Oh, btw, I think your 'flavor' is Laughy-Taffy (pudding)~* naaaah Silver ... have you ever known me to be normal?  that flavor sounds sweet girl! just like you! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 22:41:41 GMT -5
Yes, it's true there are some here who I'm not inclined to engage with for various reasons,
I have always stated that there's nothing wrong with speculating.
The problem is when a speculation is believed to be fact without verification.
I even spoke directly to you, expressing the same thing i have just done here about speculating,
Yet here you are claiming i said something else.
But it's just like you said enigma..."nothing is really heard on a deep level, and so there is the sense that no listening is happening and no connection is being made"
... you are encased in your own world that you don't hear, you don't connect.
You hear and connect with others who share the same beliefs as you, all others you do not.
From your world, all you see is you are never wrong, it is always the other that is the glitch in the interaction.
And i magine that would be very hard to leave such a beautiful place.
Though i have seen you come out a little on a few occassions, but you quickly return to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 22:45:32 GMT -5
There's a tendency toward hatefulness on the part of some here. I don't know what Arisha's excuse is, but apparently yours is that you simply give what you get, which implies you hear hatefulness in my voice. If you pay closer attention you'll find I'm simply relating what I'm seeing in as clear a way as possible, which does not require ugliness or hatefulness. Believe me, I'm capable of putting together hateful tirades, but if I did, then some of the accusations made against me would actually be true. My words are descriptions, conveyed as gently as possible without compromising clarity. That's why Peter isn't chasing me through the halls trying to get me to stop using words that clearly convey that belligerence. There is no belligerence here, just information being conveyed. You tell people that they are not well, insane and deluded and present those assertions as if you see 'the truth of things' and others do not. Its a dangerous and manipulative ploy because it presents you as 'THE expert' and therefore if you say that people are 'not well', then it MUST be true. I would say the fact that you prioritize 'the truth of things' above all else is actually a major clue that you are still operating from within your conditioning and needing to put yourself above others. Its fine to have an opinion, but perception is subjective, and these kinds of opinions should be offered subjectively, except perhaps in rare situations, or unless you have medical qualifications. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 16, 2013 22:50:41 GMT -5
Conflict happens. Get over it. I have. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 16, 2013 22:53:15 GMT -5
Emulation of what? If you don't want to get over it, that's fine. Just quitcherpregnant dogin', then. If you see conflict, and try to prevent it, you're only likely to create more conflict.What's 'wrong'? |
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Post by silver on Mar 16, 2013 23:04:27 GMT -5
Is it just me, or are you getting weird in your old age, Laughter? Oh, btw, I think your 'flavor' is Laughy-Taffy (pudding)~* naaaah Silver ... have you ever known me to be normal? that flavor sounds sweet girl! just like you! Don't get me started. Uh uh uhhhhh! |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 16, 2013 23:05:07 GMT -5
But why now? It has been used several times and even done so with pictures of big books, which have been laughed at by a certain namesake, and nothing was made of it then. Does the system of thought need a certain set of guidelines or prerequisites met prior to its expression? What is the point being made now? Why now? Probably because you have asked me to answer a question for you. Quite a lot of what you have said has been kinda disrespectful and when it is, I mainly just ignore it or bounce it back. But if you want me to respond to your question sincerely, then I require a bit of simple respect (or at the minimum, an absence of disrespect) from you in that post. There's the cop out.  |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 16, 2013 23:07:35 GMT -5
The system of thought in question appears to insist on being limited by the personal.In this context, would the system's apparent need for an imposed level of propriety override all other potential outcomes? This is a simple matter. You asked me to contemplate and answer a question sincerely, yet you asked from a place of being slightly disrespectful, so the movement to answer that question was not there. It doesn't seem like you are going to edit, and its no big surprise that the movement to answer these other questions is currently also not there.  |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 16, 2013 23:16:18 GMT -5
This is a simple matter. You asked me to contemplate and answer a question sincerely, yet you asked from a place of being slightly disrespectful, so the movement to answer that question was not there. It doesn't seem like you are going to edit, and its no big surprise that the movement to answer these other questions is currently also not there. But the movement to answer why you won't answer IS there? What's up with that? |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 16, 2013 23:17:06 GMT -5
This is a simple matter. You asked me to contemplate and answer a question sincerely, yet you asked from a place of being slightly disrespectful, so the movement to answer that question was not there. It doesn't seem like you are going to edit, and its no big surprise that the movement to answer these other questions is currently also not there. So, in this context, it appears that the system of thought insists that a) any discussion must be kept personal, and b)that oops, company has arrived...will have to wait until tomorrow. Apologies. When he demands good manners and later says "the movement to answer is not there" then it's a cop out. Which means he just got caught red-handed. So there won't be an answer. It's more likely that he will disappear for a couple of days or a week or two after that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 23:32:01 GMT -5
Here's just a very small sample of you telling people what to see.
The best that anyone can do is point something out that they see themselves (accurate or not). Nobody can make another see something, so it's silly to 'tell people what to see'. People will see what they see.
Greetings.. As the original 'giver', you already gave.. you 'say' you want people to look for themselves, but.. you tell them to see 'oneness', non-duality', and that it's all imagined.. you try to influence what people 'see', and what they believe.. the time has passed for you to claim you don't push people's buttons, it's easily observed that you do.. Be well.. I discuss oneness and noduality with those who are interested. I don't discuss it with those who aren't. We all try to influence what people see. I don't want them to believe anything. Beliefs are not useful. They obstruct clarity. It's easily observed that buttons get pushed when I talk to some about what I see. That says nothing about my intention.
The blackmail incident in question was just one of many manipulations on your part, some of which have been pointed out along the way. You have a pattern of emotionally manipulating, though I speculate most of it is unconscious, which is the only reason for pointing it out. After all, if you were fully conscious of it there would be no possible benefit to you in pointing it out. It's not a big deal. Most folks have their ways, subtle or blatant, conscious or unconscious, of getting others to behave the way they want them to. It doesn't make you a bad person, but it also doesn't serve you or others. ............ It's not a lie, and it's not an accusation. Nobody cares that you were being unconsciously manipulative (That's what blackmail meant in this case) but it was offered as possible clarity for you. Also, nobody cares that the offer was received with a slap in the face because that was expected. ....... The fact that Silver is blackmailing is a separate issue from whatever is said to her with whatever style.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 16, 2013 23:36:41 GMT -5
The subject matter is being approached empty. Leave all attempts to keep it personal to the side for now. What is the intention of this message board? How does the system of thought in question approach it? You already made it personal by speaking a bit disrespectfully. Address that, and then maybe we can talk a bit more impersonally and respectfully.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 0:07:33 GMT -5
Yeah...pfft, wars/murders happen, get over it. I have.
Seriously? So people killing each other in wars all over our planet doesn't bother you, you are ok with this happening?
Same with murder, if a family member or close friend was murdered, or you were in the street and were witnessing a murder, you would not be bothered,
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