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Post by andrew on Mar 13, 2013 3:15:47 GMT -5
Hold up, I said 'the truth of things' isn't my HIGHEST priority, I didn't say it has no relevance. What I am suggesting is that if 'the truth of things' is your highest priority, then paying attention to whether your words are harmful or not is going to be of lesser importance to you. I see the focus on 'the truth of things' as very aligned to a focus on 'being right', so its hard for me to see how 'Love' is compatible with your main focus. Oh, you seem to be the one saying that Love is telling you what to do, like reporting messages. No, Love doesn't tell ME what to do.  So you don't experience decision making at all? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 13, 2013 3:19:31 GMT -5
What has to end?  I have no problem with short conversations. A simple question + a simple answer = a short conversation. Heck, I have short conversations all the time. Nothing wrong with short conversations. Fig: It feels as though for the first time in a long time, we're having an actual conversation that is going somewhere. Enig: Well, then I'm sorry it has to end. I'm pretty sure that a year ago, you weren't reporting messages at all. What changed? I vaguely recall the period on the forum that you changed your mind on this, and I am pretty sure that it was after Peter stepped in as moderator. If you look at what changed for you, you will see clearly the reason you report messages. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 3:21:26 GMT -5
Good thing we have a knight in shining armor willing to engage in behavior he abhors to save the forum. the epitome of self-sacrifice! Tzujanli Quixote? |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 3:24:30 GMT -5
No, Love doesn't tell ME what to do. So you don't experience decision making at all? I'm picturing Love putting his arm around your shoulders and whispering sweet commands in your ear. You're officially too far down the bunny hole for me on this one. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 13, 2013 3:29:16 GMT -5
So you don't experience decision making at all? I'm picturing Love putting his arm around your shoulders and whispering sweet commands in your ear. You're officially too far down the bunny hole for me on this one. Well you are the one talking about motiveless behaviour ('love made me do it' kind of thing). Again, seems to me that you are against looking at what motivated the reportings because you see it would be 'personal' or 'ego'. I see nothing wrong with that, but you do. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 13, 2013 3:29:32 GMT -5
the epitome of self-sacrifice! Tzujanli Quixote? or Bob the Carpenter  |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 13, 2013 11:02:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. What is it that drives people like you, Phil? you know it's all BS, there is only what is actually happening.. oneness? non-duality? blah? more blah? ideologies, beliefs, illusions.. people actually try to have open honest direct discussions with you and you just spit in their faces, pretending it's a special kind of 'true' awareness.. it's not, it just isn't.. it's offensive and it's tearing this forum apart.. i absolutely abhor the necessity of speaking to anyone like this, but somethings need to be said, for the greater well-being.. Good thing we have a knight in shining armor willing to engage in behavior he abhors to save the forum. Excellent!! If you can see it in me, why is it that you don't see it in Enigma? Be well.. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 11:38:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. Good thing we have a knight in shining armor willing to engage in behavior he abhors to save the forum. Excellent!! If you can see it in me, why is it that you don't see it in Enigma? Be well.. From my (necessarily biased) perspective, while we both talk bluntly about what we see, I see confusion for which no-one is to blame, and you see ugliness that has to be destroyed. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 13, 2013 11:57:16 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Excellent!! If you can see it in me, why is it that you don't see it in Enigma? Be well.. From my (necessarily biased) perspective, while we both talk bluntly about what we see, I see confusion for which no-one is to blame, and you see ugliness that has to be destroyed. Bias noted.. from both perspectives.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:25:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Excellent!! If you can see it in me, why is it that you don't see it in Enigma? Be well.. From my (necessarily biased) perspective, while we both talk bluntly about what we see, I see confusion for which no-one is to blame, and you see ugliness that has to be destroyed. You don't actually 'know' what Tzu see's, because it's the old misconception that 'you think you can know what it's like to be a cat'. You don't 'know' what Tzu see's because you don't 'know' what it is like to 'be' Tzu. You are only aware of what you 'think' Tzu see's, and thinking isn't knowing. |
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Post by silence on Mar 13, 2013 14:40:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. Good thing we have a knight in shining armor willing to engage in behavior he abhors to save the forum. Excellent!! If you can see it in me, why is it that you don't see it in Enigma? Be well.. I don't see that same internal conflict going on with Enigma. Have you considered ceasing behavior you abhor? Are you sure the forum will fall to pieces and spontaneously combust? |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 18:56:45 GMT -5
From my (necessarily biased) perspective, while we both talk bluntly about what we see, I see confusion for which no-one is to blame, and you see ugliness that has to be destroyed. You don't actually 'know' what Tzu see's, because it's the old misconception that 'you think you can know what it's like to be a cat'. You don't 'know' what Tzu see's because you don't 'know' what it is like to 'be' Tzu. You are only aware of what you 'think' Tzu see's, and thinking isn't knowing. Nonsense. If a cat wrote what Tzu wrote, I would know the cat saw enemies. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 13, 2013 20:14:03 GMT -5
Greetings.. You don't actually 'know' what Tzu see's, because it's the old misconception that 'you think you can know what it's like to be a cat'. You don't 'know' what Tzu see's because you don't 'know' what it is like to 'be' Tzu. You are only aware of what you 'think' Tzu see's, and thinking isn't knowing. Nonsense. If a cat wrote what Tzu wrote, I would know the cat saw enemies. LOL.. Either stop gaming the forum, or give yourself more credit than that.. your statement creates the illusion, i hope it's an illusion, that you are attached to your pride of self-image, believing you can 'know' what you cannot.. No, you really don't 'know', what Tzu or a cat saw.. there is only one 'enemy', it is expectation, also referred to as 'attachment'.. Be well.. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 13, 2013 20:33:20 GMT -5
Greetings.. Excellent!! If you can see it in me, why is it that you don't see it in Enigma? Be well.. I don't see that same internal conflict going on with Enigma. Have you considered ceasing behavior you abhor? Are you sure the forum will fall to pieces and spontaneously combust? You are not seeing clearly, you are biased toward enigma's beliefs.. enigma's preaching and the beliefs he peddles are obstacles to clarity.. I have no belief that " the forum will fall to pieces and spontaneously combust", that phrase originates in your mind and for your purposes.. Yes, i do consider ceasing the behavior you reference, then i see enigma obstructing clarity.. Be well.. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 21:30:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. Nonsense. If a cat wrote what Tzu wrote, I would know the cat saw enemies. LOL.. Either stop gaming the forum, or give yourself more credit than that.. your statement creates the illusion, i hope it's an illusion, that you are attached to your pride of self-image, believing you can 'know' what you cannot.. No, you really don't 'know', what Tzu or a cat saw.. there is only one 'enemy', it is expectation, also referred to as 'attachment'.. Be well.. There's a tendency toward hatefulness on the part of some here. I don't know what Arisha's excuse is, but apparently yours is that you simply give what you get, which implies you hear hatefulness in my voice. If you pay closer attention you'll find I'm simply relating what I'm seeing in as clear a way as possible, which does not require ugliness or hatefulness. Believe me, I'm capable of putting together hateful tirades, but if I did, then some of the accusations made against me would actually be true. My words are descriptions, conveyed as gently as possible without compromising clarity. That's why Peter isn't chasing me through the halls trying to get me to stop using words that clearly convey that belligerence. There is no belligerence here, just information being conveyed. |
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