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Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2013 19:50:59 GMT -5
Well, then I'm sorry it has to end. I see all sorts of things behind the frustration folks experience with me, but I don't think it's about not giving straight answers. I do see how it can seem that way when the answers are not in alignment with what is believed or expected. I suspect the charges of 'twisting' come from there too. Most questions, especially of the challenging type, begin with answers, and when the right answer isn't given back, mind writes a story about why that happened, and comes up with twisting, distraction, manipulation, avoidance. Mostly, the questions are based in illusion, and so addressing those illusions is the most appropriate response. However, one valid point that has been made here by some is the pointless nonsense of chasing everybody down the bunny hole as far as they want to go, and so lately I find myself turning around when the air starts getting really thin and musty. Mostly, this means the chats with you and Andrew are considerably shorterer. What has to end?  I have no problem with short conversations. A simple question + a simple answer = a short conversation. Heck, I have short conversations all the time. Nothing wrong with short conversations. Fig: It feels as though for the first time in a long time, we're having an actual conversation that is going somewhere. Enig: Well, then I'm sorry it has to end. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 12, 2013 19:53:10 GMT -5
And for the hundredth time, I'm telling you the assumptions on which that question is based are faulty. This is apparently how Figs and B also come to the conclusion that I don't give straight answers. My straight answer is that you question is based on faulty assumptions. You claim you aren't making the assumptions, and ask the questions again, then you admit you are making the assumptions and ask the question again. Then express exasperation that your faulty question still isn't being answered. Folks are always asking me 'Have you stopped beating your wife yet?' type questions, and can't figure out why they don't get a straight answer. Yes, Yes, we all know we are making faulty assumptions but so are you. Are you sure? |
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Post by laughter on Mar 12, 2013 19:54:23 GMT -5
To be fair, he doesn't often explain himself, when he is asked a straightforward question, and I find that rather nervewracking. It kinda disqualifies the very statement that led to the question. I agree B, and I would say that this is what's behind the frustration that many feel in attempting to communicate with E. He often seems to skirt around questions by refusing to give a straight answer, and to make matters worse, in lieu of a direct answer, often offers up a mocking little jab as if to throw the questioner off his tail. Interestingly enough, in the conversation he and I are having right here at present, he is being very direct and forthcoming and thus It feels as though for the first time in a long time, we're having an actual conversation that is going somewhere. Rather nice i must say...& if you're reading this E...I really DO appreciate it.  Do you recognize the recursive futility embodied by the question "why won't you explain yourself?" |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 12, 2013 19:58:21 GMT -5
I agree B, and I would say that this is what's behind the frustration that many feel in attempting to communicate with E. He often seems to skirt around questions by refusing to give a straight answer, and to make matters worse, in lieu of a direct answer, often offers up a mocking little jab as if to throw the questioner off his tail. Interestingly enough, in the conversation he and I are having right here at present, he is being very direct and forthcoming and thus It feels as though for the first time in a long time, we're having an actual conversation that is going somewhere. Rather nice i must say...& if you're reading this E...I really DO appreciate it. Do you recognize the recursive futility embodied by the question "why won't you explain yourself?" Asking 'why?' about anything is usually an exercise in recursive futility. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 12, 2013 20:06:35 GMT -5
Do you recognize the recursive futility embodied by the question "why won't you explain yourself?" Asking 'why?' about anything is usually an exercise in recursive futility. yeah ok, I do see the distinction there: "explain this lack of explanation" only uses the same word twice rather than being recursive. thx B. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 20:11:33 GMT -5
Yes, Yes, we all know we are making faulty assumptions but so are you. Are you sure? If you are assuming that all questions are based on false assumptions, than yeah. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 12, 2013 20:15:30 GMT -5
If you are assuming that all questions are based on false assumptions, than yeah. Wait. ALL questions are based on false assumptions? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 20:35:41 GMT -5
Well, then I'm sorry it has to end. Oh, I don't thin it 'ended' here. Your reply below seems to address the points made in a reasonably direct way. I see twisting as part of not giving a straight answer. In the case of a few of us asking you what was behind your reporting of 8 posts, you initially DID evade the question. The journey to getting an answer out of you, has been anything but 'straight.' Only after It was suggested that you must be very unconscious if you are unable to decipher the thoughts and feelings that were arising prior to the thought to report, were you then able/willing to share that thoughts arose saying that 'Arisha's posts violated the rules'. What if you let that assumption/expectation go? What if you 'came empty' in the sense that you were absent of those expectations? ....Your cup is so full of negative expectation when it comes to others, that you even admit that you perceive 'most' of people the world over to be so unconscious they are barely able to function...calling them 'insane' and such. I'd never expect you or anyone to engage in a discussion that did not interest them...and yes, I'd say it's a good thing that you find yourself turning around or stepping away when you perceive someone is taking a conversation to a place that does not interest you or resonate....and there's nothing wrong with a response that's short & sweet.....however, I do find it difficult to understand why if you're simply not interested in 'going there' with someone, that you often still take the time to add a little mocking jab, despite the fact that you've already decided to step away after. It just seems rather disingenuous to poke fun at what you perceive to be someone's delusion or 'trip down the bunny hole', if you're not willing to take the time to explain and at least try to understand where the other is coming from. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 12, 2013 21:51:38 GMT -5
Yes, Yes, we all know we are making faulty assumptions but so are you. If you ask the question, you yourself are also sure you are making false assumptions.. about others, and about yourself.. I'm telling you, for the hundredth time, you are too attached to 'you' to see anything clearly.. Your dependence on provocative tactics for the illusion of authority is no different than the screaming toddler looking for attention, neither you nor the toddler care what form the attention takes, you just want to be the center of that attention.. You have again paraded your pretentious abusive Love poem, expecting it to justify your inclination for abusiveness and misrepresentation.. it does not justify your insatiable desire to tell others how poorly you judge them, to tell others how you have 'the answers'.. to tell others how much 'YOU' know about love You judge others harshly, based on your own faulty beliefs.. too arrogant and filled with hostility to look inward, too fearful of not finding the stillness, or even ignorance, that would serve you so much better that your overflowing cup of steaming ego.. you lash-out at others with your self-proclaimed know-it-all trash-talking 'God-Father' wannabe spirituality, without ever finding anything but your unfulfilled quest for a following of worshipers.. yeah, you have some defenders here, but they know what your game is and they want in on it.. bad-asses, keyboard commandos, spewing a special kind of hatred, poking at people's psychology just for the false thrill of annoying them.. i've played these games far too often and far too long.. why not come down off the hill What is it that drives people like you, Phil? you know it's all BS, there is only what is actually happening.. oneness? non-duality? blah? more blah? ideologies, beliefs, illusions.. people actually try to have open honest direct discussions with you and you just spit in their faces, pretending it's a special kind of 'true' awareness.. it's not, it just isn't.. it's offensive and it's tearing this forum apart.. i absolutely abhor the necessity of speaking to anyone like this, but somethings need to be said, for the greater well-being.. To the title of this thread.. please take some time to explore stillness, to find-out what can be seen with an 'empty' mind.. Some Lyrics, that come to mind: Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You been out ridin' fences for so long now Oh, you're a hard one but I know that you got your reasons These things that are pleasin' you can hurt you somehow Now it seems to me, some fine things Have been laid upon your table But you only want the ones that you can't get Desperado, oh you ain't gettin' no younger Your pain and your hunger, they're drivin' you home Lyrics from <a href="http://www.elyrics.net">eLyrics.net</a> And: By Gregg Allman (c) 1970 & 1974 by No Exit Music Co. Inc. Transcribed by Jory Kahn Just one more mornin' I had to wake up with the blues Pulled myself outta bed, yeah Put on my walkin' shoes, Went up on the mountain, To see what I could see, The whole world was fallin', Right down in front of me. [Chorus] 'Cause I'm hung up on dreams I'll never see, yeah Baby. Ahh help me baby, or this will surely be the end of me, yeah. Pull myself together, put on a new face, Climb down off the hilltop, baby, Get back in the race. [Chorus] Pull myself together, put on a new face, Climb down off the hilltop, baby, Get back in the race. [Chorus] Be well, my friend.. i couldn't talk to you like this if i didn't truly care.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 22:31:01 GMT -5
If you are assuming that all questions are based on false assumptions, than yeah. Wait. ALL questions are based on false assumptions? No...I never said that. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 0:08:24 GMT -5
Do you recognize the recursive futility embodied by the question "why won't you explain yourself?" Asking 'why?' about anything is usually an exercise in recursive futility. Why?  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 0:10:02 GMT -5
If you are assuming that all questions are based on false assumptions, than yeah. All questions aren't based on false assumptions. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 13, 2013 0:11:11 GMT -5
If you are assuming that all questions are based on false assumptions, than yeah. Wait. ALL questions are based on false assumptions? Yeah, that's the kind of false assumption that makes communication so difficult.....I assume. |
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Post by silence on Mar 13, 2013 0:45:18 GMT -5
What is it that drives people like you, Phil? you know it's all BS, there is only what is actually happening.. oneness? non-duality? blah? more blah? ideologies, beliefs, illusions.. people actually try to have open honest direct discussions with you and you just spit in their faces, pretending it's a special kind of 'true' awareness.. it's not, it just isn't.. it's offensive and it's tearing this forum apart.. i absolutely abhor the necessity of speaking to anyone like this, but somethings need to be said, for the greater well-being.. Good thing we have a knight in shining armor willing to engage in behavior he abhors to save the forum. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 13, 2013 3:04:14 GMT -5
What is it that drives people like you, Phil? you know it's all BS, there is only what is actually happening.. oneness? non-duality? blah? more blah? ideologies, beliefs, illusions.. people actually try to have open honest direct discussions with you and you just spit in their faces, pretending it's a special kind of 'true' awareness.. it's not, it just isn't.. it's offensive and it's tearing this forum apart.. i absolutely abhor the necessity of speaking to anyone like this, but somethings need to be said, for the greater well-being.. Good thing we have a knight in shining armor willing to engage in behavior he abhors to save the forum. the epitome of self-sacrifice! |
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