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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 8:21:47 GMT -5
Notice how the first reaction of the ease peace and joy crusader is always to defend and/or to retaliate. It never is embracing and hugging and kissing as their dogma teaches. That's how living a concept looks like. It's not possible. It creates tension and that tension gets released in online crusades in the name of the benevolent concept. It's not a teaching for the heart or the gut. It's for the mind, a confused mind. Confused minds love it. Instead of spending all their time with appreciating and complimenting and hugging and kissing other members on the forum they choose to bicker and b!tch around, twist words and start crusades and defamation campaigns. Because they are beings of the dark. They don't have light. They only pretend to have light. They are not exuding love. Look into their post histories, it's mess, a wild collection of mindless bickering over words about who is more enlightened and who has the airtightest concepts. You really do remind me at times of a little boy that doesn't get his way and then throws his weight around as a response. That can't be you, yes. You go home and cry and fall into depression for a week. And then you come online and start a new campaign. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 8:24:10 GMT -5
How does the ease peace and joy crusader fool the crowd? By making a big fuss about insignificant things and by playing down the relevancy of the truly important stuff. Instead of showing their ease peace and love in action right here on the forum in how they are interacting with others they choose to tell fictional stories about their offline lives where they helped someone out in distress or someone was being extra nice to them. No one here can verify if these stories are true or not. Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? The emotional folks don't care. They will melt away when hearing these stories.
Only the ones that still have some brain power left will ever question the validity of these stories, stories no one here can ever verify. And of those who question it only a small fraction also sees the contradiction between the fabulous offline stories of the ease peace and joy crusader and their actual day-to-day online behavior. And that's exactly what the ease peace and joy folks like. They shy away from facts. If someone questions their fairytales, they are called negative and having an agenda or whatever helps to divert attention again.
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 8:30:40 GMT -5
You really do remind me at times of a little boy that doesn't get his way and then throws his weight around as a response. That can't be you, yes. You go home and cry and fall into depression for a week. And then you come online and start a new campaign. ;D It seems to irritate you that you can't get rid of the people that challenge you. Isn't it time that you threatened to leave the forum again? I see that you are not scared of me, but I think you are scared of Figgy. Why is that? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 8:31:33 GMT -5
How does the ease peace and joy crusader fool the crowd? By making a big fuss about insignificant things and by playing down the relevancy of the truly important stuff. Instead of showing their ease peace and love in action right here on the forum in how they are interacting with others they choose to tell fictional stories about their offline lives where they helped someone out in distress or someone was being extra nice to them. No one here can verify if these stories are true or not. Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? The emotional folks don't care. They will melt away when hearing these stories. Only the ones that still have some brain power left will ever question the validity of these stories, stories no one here can ever verify. And of those who question it only a small fraction also sees the contradiction between the fabulous offline stories of the ease peace and joy crusader and their actual day-to-day online behavior. And that's exactly what the ease peace and joy folks like. They shy away from facts. If someone questions their fairytales, they are called negative and having an agenda or whatever helps to divert attention again. Are you having a meltdown Reefs? Get some sleep man. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 8:45:00 GMT -5
Ah, the one that was imploring several members again and again to behave like ships passing at night to him because he couldn't bear it anymore is talking big. LOL.
Meltdown is for guys who are an emotional mess. Not my type of thing.
Watch your choice of words, please. They are very telling.
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 8:52:01 GMT -5
Ah, the one that was imploring several members again and again to behave like ships passing at night to him because he couldn't bear it anymore is talking big. LOL. Meltdown is for guys who are an emotional mess. Not my type of thing. Watch your choice of words, please. They are very telling. I'm seeing a meltdown happening, you are talking and acting in strange ways, even for you. The 'LOL''s are very odd too. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 8:53:18 GMT -5
Relax, A. Remember your dogma and show sum luv.
The correct reaction to for you would be to say: "Okay, R., you may have some valid points or not. That's the way you see things. I'm not going to argue because I am practicing the embodiment of luv and that includes appreciating and honoring your perspective. Feel free to continue your analysis or not. Your input is very much appreciated."
That should be your first response. But that never comes to mind. You try to call me tired, having a meltdown or whatever. Why? It's so much easier to show some luv and just hug it out. You never even tried.
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 9:00:47 GMT -5
Relax, A. Remember your dogma and show sum luv. The correct reaction to for you would be to say: "Okay, R., you may have some valid points or not. That's the way you see things. I'm not going to argue because I am practicing the embodiment of luv and that includes appreciating and honoring your perspective. Feel free to continue your analysis or not. Your input is very much appreciated." That should be your first response. But that never comes to mind. You try to call me tired, having a meltdown or whatever. Why? It's so much easier to show some luv and just hug it out. I am quite relaxed, this is easy because you are being so random. As I see it, an embodiment of love doesn't necessarily always act in the way that you are suggesting. However, I freely admit that there is likely some ego playing out here, and I'm okay with that right now. |
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Post by topology on Mar 11, 2013 9:12:24 GMT -5
Ah, the one that was imploring several members again and again to behave like ships passing at night to him because he couldn't bear it anymore is talking big. LOL. Meltdown is for guys who are an emotional mess. Not my type of thing. Watch your choice of words, please. They are very telling. If not a melt down, then a boil-over. Your level of aggression has gone to 11. You appear to be acting territorial. What need do you have for tearing down Figgy and Andrew? |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 9:13:29 GMT -5
Ah, the one that was imploring several members again and again to behave like ships passing at night to him because he couldn't bear it anymore is talking big. LOL. Meltdown is for guys who are an emotional mess. Not my type of thing. Watch your choice of words, please. They are very telling. If not a melt down, then a boil-over. Your level of aggression has gone to 11. You appear to be acting territorial. What need do you have for tearing down Figgy and Andrew? Wait and see bro.  |
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Post by topology on Mar 11, 2013 9:20:00 GMT -5
If not a melt down, then a boil-over. Your level of aggression has gone to 11. You appear to be acting territorial. What need do you have for tearing down Figgy and Andrew? Wait and see bro. Deflection. Your statement here says you have an intentional agenda with this. What is your agenda? What effect are you trying to bring about? |
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Post by topology on Mar 11, 2013 9:23:51 GMT -5
Reefs, I'll be clear. This is what I see happening. I see you going for the throat, so to speak, a direct assault on Andrews and Figgy's self image. There are many possible motives for that ranging from trying to get them to implode and have a massive emotional reaction to testing to see how attached they are to the self image by sh1tting on it. What is your motive?
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Post by topology on Mar 11, 2013 10:27:15 GMT -5
Going forward, if there is anyone that feels like I am not coming empty to them, you have my permission to *thwack* me with the zen stick. I left the forum because I needed to focus on my life outside the forum. I ended up breaking up with my wife. The weight of my relationship was affecting me significantly and I feel much lighter now. We share two young kids, so we're still a part of each other's lives but my energy and her energy are no longer tied together and I was being codependent in the relationship. I want to give a blanket apology to everyone, my negative emotions in that relationship were affecting how I was interacting everywhere. So in some sense Andrew was right that my relationship with my wife was affecting my interaction here. Thanks Andrew for being you. I want now to express a statement of purpose and give everyone permission to *thwack* me if I'm not living up to it. I don't religiously practice the Course In Miracles, I don't consider myself a Christian and have no thoughts about this "Jesus" fellow, but I resonate deeply with the purpose of the Course in Miracles. The Course's message is about the change in perception that comes through the active practice of Forgiveness. Forgiveness isn't about forgetting about wrongs, its about seeing that there was no wrong to begin with. The course's workbook endeavors to restore a person's perception of the world to wholeness through challenging thoughts and beliefs, particularly negative thought patterns and beliefs in being separate. Shame, guilt, fear, jealousy, insecurity, etc. One of the realizations that I had while first getting into the Course several years ago was that the highest honor and highest service you could perform for another person is to constantly come to them empty. What this means is somehow shedding the impressions, perceptions, judgments, and assumptions we make about others. As we interact with others we collect these things in our memory banks and then the next time we meet the person we relate to them through this built up crud. We stop seeing them as they are now and instead we relate to them through this built up image. This is a fundamental mistake. Relating to a person through an image is not relating to them how they are right now. What is worse, it is subconsciously telling that person that that is how they are viewed and thus how they are (or should be). If the person is unconscious, it is encourage them to integrate that image into their self-image. For many years now it has been my intentional practice to see people as whole and to shed my initial perceptions and impressions as much as possible. While I was caught up in the negative emotions and the unhappiness I had in my marriage, I was not able to keep this practice very well. I want to return to this practice and I would like to ask for everyone's help in this. If I am not coming to my interaction with you (or anyone) empty, If I am holding on to a stale perception or hardened impression, please let me know. Refer me back to this writing. General message for the forum: How you perceive someone bleeds into your interaction with them. It becomes a subliminal message telling the other person how they are viewed. If a person has a weak sense of self, insecure, codependent, people pleasing, or empathic, this message gets picked up and may be integrated into a person's self image depending on how unconscious they are. If you see someone and relate to someone as if they are whole, that is the message they will integrate. If you see someone and relate to someone as if they are broken or unworthy or damaged, that is the message they will integrate. It is my intent to cultivate a manner which exudes the message: "You Are Whole." If anyone finds that my manner does not convey this message, then please confront me about it. Edward Sweet re-introduction! *Bows* Howdy do.  Serendipitously, I had been thinking about starting a thread on exploring the meaning of 'coming empty.' And so here it is! And well done. Question: I assume 'coming empty' includes abandoning the positive impression you may have of someone as well? Impressions are like concepts, it seems, partly functioning as a shortcut to make goal-oriented living more efficient. And like concepts, they compromise what is real because they only represent a snapshot, and thus remain a distortion of a perception (also distorted). Yes. Even the positive impressions are released in order to return to looking again at direct experience. There is something that I would call "communing" which is more than just "looking at" an object. It is interacting with it at an essential level. In a way, breathing its essence into your being or beginning to lose the distinction we normally experience between "me" and "it". Everything we think we know, even our momentary impressions, stand in the way of communing. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 11, 2013 10:39:13 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yes. Even the positive impressions are released in order to return to looking again at direct experience. There is something that I would call "communing" which is more than just "looking at" an object. It is interacting with it at an essential level. In a way, breathing its essence into your being or beginning to lose the distinction we normally experience between "me" and "it". Everything we think we know, even our momentary impressions, stand in the way of communing. Yes.. Be well.. |
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Post by topology on Mar 11, 2013 10:50:03 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yes. Even the positive impressions are released in order to return to looking again at direct experience. There is something that I would call "communing" which is more than just "looking at" an object. It is interacting with it at an essential level. In a way, breathing its essence into your being or beginning to lose the distinction we normally experience between "me" and "it". Everything we think we know, even our momentary impressions, stand in the way of communing. Yes.. Be well.. |
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