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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 5:28:32 GMT -5
I have some qualifications, but even if I didn't, it makes no difference. I can give practical examples. Yes, we've seen your qualifications. You claimed to see NLP in messages a mile away and when I used it you didn't see it at all. LOL. Perfect example of you delusions of grandeur. Just because I don't call people out on negative manipulation every time doesn't mean I don't see it and experience it. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 5:32:20 GMT -5
Yes, we've seen your qualifications. You claimed to see NLP in messages a mile away and when I used it you didn't see it at all. LOL. Perfect example of you delusions of grandeur. Just because I don't call people out on negative manipulation every time doesn't mean I don't see it and experience it. You are not really skilled in manipulation. Figgy is the master here. But Figgy is not that skilled in self-deception. You are. Together you make a dangerous couple. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 5:35:46 GMT -5
Just because I don't call people out on negative manipulation every time doesn't mean I don't see it and experience it. You are not really skilled in manipulation. Figgy is the master here. But Figgy is not that skilled in self-deception. You are. Together you make a dangerous couple. The danger for you is that you might be exposed, but you are doing a good job of that yourself at the moment. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 5:53:14 GMT -5
You are not really skilled in manipulation. Figgy is the master here. But Figgy is not that skilled in self-deception. You are. Together you make a dangerous couple. The danger for you is that you might be exposed, but you are doing a good job of that yourself at the moment. Passive aggressiveness and twisting words are you favorite tools. Those who love these tools will never be able to see any truth because they are busy selling something. You are a truth quack. You take all kinds of self-help nonsense, mix it together and sell it as some kind of ultimate truth. You are a false prophet. Without your books and recordings you are nothing. Who would ever question their own existence and recommend that to others? Ha! |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 6:42:02 GMT -5
Why are A&F lost? They are looking for truth in dreams. The wilder their dreams the more they are truthing for them. That's delusion. They are not the only ones who are hooked onto that kind of belief. This belief is very common in spirtchooell self-improvement circles. And circle is the right word here. A&F are 'stellar examples' for those who take going in circles as some kind of achievement or progress. Don't get fooled by them. They talk fast and sweet. But they change their mind often. They don't know what they are talking about. They don't even understand their own dogmas and ideologies. Instead of embracing those who challenge them like their dogma tells them, they fight them, discredit them and back each other up by doing so. Yes, captain, no damage to shields, hehe.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 6:55:51 GMT -5
How to recognize the confused? They use vague language. They are very good at twisting words. Actually words is all what it's about for them. They shy away from definite statements. They like to stay in the fog where no one can see and tell them: hey, the emperor has not clothes! Study A&F and you will see what I'm talking about here. Of course, they will deny it with a thousand tongues and with the help of their fan club create a lot of noise to divert attention, but those who don't fall for that trick, those who can focus will see it clearly. Their ideologies are full of contradictions. Never mind that they don't walk their talk. That's not so important. Important is that they try to sell their ideology as the highest truth. But it isn't truth. It's delusion. They want everyone to be as deluded as their are. That's the actual problemo here.
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 7:02:04 GMT -5
The danger for you is that you might be exposed, but you are doing a good job of that yourself at the moment. Passive aggressiveness and twisting words are you favorite tools. Those who love these tools will never be able to see any truth because they are busy selling something. You are a truth quack. You take all kinds of self-help nonsense, mix it together and sell it as some kind of ultimate truth. You are a false prophet. Without your books and recordings you are nothing. Who would ever question their own existence and recommend that to others? Ha! Saying it 3 times in 10 minutes doesn't make it true. I am suggesting to question the idea that 'I exist', because every idea should be questioned. However, I will give you one practical example of my 'self-help spirituality and truth quackery'. I came into my (step)-daughter's life when she was 2. At the time she was considered to be on the austistic spectrum, at the minimum she was demonstrating highly anti-social behaviour and intense OCD type patterns. She was at the doctor's every week. When I came into her life she went to the doctor's once, a week later, and has never been back since. These days, only in certain kinds of environments would it be apparent that she is not ''normal''. She is extremely present, sociable and loves deeply. So Reefs, whether I offer self-help spirituality and truth quackery or not, I am confident of the kind of results it gets in people's lives. I have seen little evidence demonstrated by you, that your 'spirituality' is of a positive nature. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 7:03:28 GMT -5
How to recognize the confused? They use vague language. They are very good at twisting words. Actually words is all what it's about for them. They shy away from definite statements. They like to stay in the fog where no one can see and tell them: hey, the emperor has not clothes! Study A&F and you will see what I'm talking about here. Of course, they will deny it with a thousand tongues and with the help of their fan club create a lot of noise to divert attention, but those who don't fall for that trick, those who can focus will see it clearly. Their ideologies are full of contradictions. Contradictory in one way, but not in another! Divine dichotomy is something that you utterly fail to grasp, and your behaviour and attitude reflects that. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 7:09:25 GMT -5
Passive aggressiveness and twisting words are you favorite tools. Those who love these tools will never be able to see any truth because they are busy selling something. You are a truth quack. You take all kinds of self-help nonsense, mix it together and sell it as some kind of ultimate truth. You are a false prophet. Without your books and recordings you are nothing. Who would ever question their own existence and recommend that to others? Ha! Saying it 3 times in 10 minutes doesn't make it true. I am suggesting to question the idea that 'I exist', because every idea should be questioned. However, I will give you one practical example of my 'self-help spirituality and truth quackery'. I came into my (step)-daughter's life when she was 2. At the time she was considered to be on the austistic spectrum, at the minimum she was demonstrating highly anti-social behaviour and intense OCD type patterns. She was at the doctor's every week. When I came into her life she went to the doctor's once, a week later, and has never been back since. These days, only in certain kinds of environments would it be apparent that she is not ''normal''. She is extremely present, sociable and loves deeply. So Reefs, whether I offer self-help spirituality and truth quackery or not, I am confident of the kind of results it gets in people's lives. I have seen little evidence demonstrated by you, that your 'spirituality' is of a positive nature. Look what he is doing. He shows passive aggressiveness in rapid succession and I point it out and now he tries to turn it into my problem. I'm not questioning your ability to give out some band aid stuff. I'm not interested in that kind of touchy-feely self-help stories. My focus here is different. It has nothing to do with self-help. Lightworkers don't get that. They call it negative if one doesn't play with them emotional hide and seek. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 7:10:14 GMT -5
How to recognize the confused? They use vague language. They are very good at twisting words. Actually words is all what it's about for them. They shy away from definite statements. They like to stay in the fog where no one can see and tell them: hey, the emperor has not clothes! Study A&F and you will see what I'm talking about here. Of course, they will deny it with a thousand tongues and with the help of their fan club create a lot of noise to divert attention, but those who don't fall for that trick, those who can focus will see it clearly. Their ideologies are full of contradictions. Contradictory in one way, but not in another! Divine dichotomy is something that you utterly fail to grasp, and your behaviour and attitude reflects that. Now they even call it 'divine' delusion! Haha. LOL. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 7:14:26 GMT -5
Saying it 3 times in 10 minutes doesn't make it true. I am suggesting to question the idea that 'I exist', because every idea should be questioned. However, I will give you one practical example of my 'self-help spirituality and truth quackery'. I came into my (step)-daughter's life when she was 2. At the time she was considered to be on the austistic spectrum, at the minimum she was demonstrating highly anti-social behaviour and intense OCD type patterns. She was at the doctor's every week. When I came into her life she went to the doctor's once, a week later, and has never been back since. These days, only in certain kinds of environments would it be apparent that she is not ''normal''. She is extremely present, sociable and loves deeply. So Reefs, whether I offer self-help spirituality and truth quackery or not, I am confident of the kind of results it gets in people's lives. I have seen little evidence demonstrated by you, that your 'spirituality' is of a positive nature. Look what he is doing. He shows passive aggressiveness in rapid succession and I point it out and now he tries to turn it into my problem. I'm not questioning your ability to give out some band aid stuff. I'm not interested in that kind of touchy-feely self-help stories. My focus here is different. It has nothing to do with self-help. Lightworkers don't get that. They call it negative if one doesn't play with them emotional hide and seek. What you said is that passive aggressiveness had been discussed in the last year. It hasn't. I'm sure you are not interested in practical spirituality and the tangible results of our 'philosophies', your spirituality is intellectual and uni-dimensional. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 11, 2013 8:03:11 GMT -5
Notice how the first reaction of the ease peace and joy crusader is always to defend and/or to retaliate. It never is embracing and hugging and kissing as their dogma teaches. That's how living a concept looks like. It's not possible. It creates tension and that tension gets released in online crusades in the name of the benevolent concept. It's not a teaching for the heart or the gut. It's for the mind, a confused mind. Confused minds love it.
Instead of spending all their time with appreciating and complimenting and hugging and kissing other members on the forum they choose to bicker and b!tch around, twist words and start crusades and defamation campaigns. Because they are beings of the dark. They don't have light. They only pretend to have light. They are not exuding love. Look into their post histories, it's a mess, a wild collection of mindless bickering over words and about who is more enlightened and who has the airtightest concepts.
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 11, 2013 8:05:46 GMT -5
You can say what you want, Figgy. It won't affect me or anyone here. Your twisted words are empty and wasted. Hey 'rish howdya' manage to hack his account like that ?  That's subtle. Seeing the seeming exchange of natures testifies to your power of discernment. Well done. When a good man a long time ago said "resist(resent) not evil, overcome it with good" he was pointing to the doorway of the mind that lets the resisted/resented nature into ones own mind. Another man says "you become like what you hate". They are giving us clues. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 8:07:52 GMT -5
Notice how the first reaction of the ease peace and joy crusader is always to defend and/or to retaliate. It never is embracing and hugging and kissing as their dogma teaches. That's how living a concept looks like. It's not possible. It creates tension and that tension gets released in online crusades in the name of the benevolent concept. It's not a teaching for the heart or the gut. It's for the mind, a confused mind. Confused minds love it. Instead of spending all their time with appreciating and complimenting and hugging and kissing other members on the forum they choose to bicker and b!tch around, twist words and start crusades and defamation campaigns. Because they are beings of the dark. They don't have light. They only pretend to have light. They are not exuding love. Look into their post histories, it's mess, a wild collection of mindless bickering over words about who is more enlightened and who has the airtightest concepts. You really do remind me at times of a little boy that doesn't get his way and then throws his weight around as a response. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 8:15:44 GMT -5
Going forward, if there is anyone that feels like I am not coming empty to them, you have my permission to *thwack* me with the zen stick. I left the forum because I needed to focus on my life outside the forum. I ended up breaking up with my wife. The weight of my relationship was affecting me significantly and I feel much lighter now. We share two young kids, so we're still a part of each other's lives but my energy and her energy are no longer tied together and I was being codependent in the relationship. I want to give a blanket apology to everyone, my negative emotions in that relationship were affecting how I was interacting everywhere. So in some sense Andrew was right that my relationship with my wife was affecting my interaction here. Thanks Andrew for being you. I want now to express a statement of purpose and give everyone permission to *thwack* me if I'm not living up to it. I don't religiously practice the Course In Miracles, I don't consider myself a Christian and have no thoughts about this "Jesus" fellow, but I resonate deeply with the purpose of the Course in Miracles. The Course's message is about the change in perception that comes through the active practice of Forgiveness. Forgiveness isn't about forgetting about wrongs, its about seeing that there was no wrong to begin with. The course's workbook endeavors to restore a person's perception of the world to wholeness through challenging thoughts and beliefs, particularly negative thought patterns and beliefs in being separate. Shame, guilt, fear, jealousy, insecurity, etc. One of the realizations that I had while first getting into the Course several years ago was that the highest honor and highest service you could perform for another person is to constantly come to them empty. What this means is somehow shedding the impressions, perceptions, judgments, and assumptions we make about others. As we interact with others we collect these things in our memory banks and then the next time we meet the person we relate to them through this built up crud. We stop seeing them as they are now and instead we relate to them through this built up image. This is a fundamental mistake. Relating to a person through an image is not relating to them how they are right now. What is worse, it is subconsciously telling that person that that is how they are viewed and thus how they are (or should be). If the person is unconscious, it is encourage them to integrate that image into their self-image. For many years now it has been my intentional practice to see people as whole and to shed my initial perceptions and impressions as much as possible. While I was caught up in the negative emotions and the unhappiness I had in my marriage, I was not able to keep this practice very well. I want to return to this practice and I would like to ask for everyone's help in this. If I am not coming to my interaction with you (or anyone) empty, If I am holding on to a stale perception or hardened impression, please let me know. Refer me back to this writing. General message for the forum: How you perceive someone bleeds into your interaction with them. It becomes a subliminal message telling the other person how they are viewed. If a person has a weak sense of self, insecure, codependent, people pleasing, or empathic, this message gets picked up and may be integrated into a person's self image depending on how unconscious they are. If you see someone and relate to someone as if they are whole, that is the message they will integrate. If you see someone and relate to someone as if they are broken or unworthy or damaged, that is the message they will integrate. It is my intent to cultivate a manner which exudes the message: "You Are Whole." If anyone finds that my manner does not convey this message, then please confront me about it. Edward Sweet re-introduction! *Bows* Howdy do.  Serendipitously, I had been thinking about starting a thread on exploring the meaning of 'coming empty.' And so here it is! And well done. Question: I assume 'coming empty' includes abandoning the positive impression you may have of someone as well? Impressions are like concepts, it seems, partly functioning as a shortcut to make goal-oriented living more efficient. And like concepts, they compromise what is real because they only represent a snapshot, and thus remain a distortion of a perception (also distorted). |
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