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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:16:41 GMT -5
If love depends upon 'no one choosing or being responsible' then it is a love based upon condition. It's possible to see and experience responsibility AND love self and others without condition. A belief that these two are incompatible, results in bizarre circumstances where folks who are supposedly 'conscious and aware' are completely unable (or unwilling ) to share motivations for their actions....(actions such as reporting numerous posts to a moderator on a forum). Really interesting that you're saying this E, cause I just spend a bit of time reading through the thread where you cannot say why it was that you reported a bunch of posts. I see that as a stellar example of 'going unconscious' and 'self deception.' It seems to me that there is a lack of consciousness at the root of that 'mystery'. You have created a disconnect between that aspect of experience where 'you' were impacted by a series of posts, to the degree that you felt compelled to report them, and your awareness about that. It's not enough to simply deny or dismiss personal judgments and feelings and resultant motivations, that still are very much in existence. If we are acting in ways that demonstrate negative judgment, it's important to be able to SEE those judgments and to acknowledge 'what in the blazes is actually going on'.....otherwise, we're simply pandering to a big 'ol blind spot. Self love that requires such a blind spot, is very much conditional love. You have a lot of gall coming back here after you've beaten up so badly last time. And now you're back already busy preparing the next stake for Enigma. Do you really think anyone here is still believing you after you've been exposed over and over again? Your delusion are not serving you. Your 'stellar examples' are worthless. You are the brightest star of delusion here. No one is going to believe you anymore. Give it up. Stop preparing the stake for Enigma. That's low behavior. ?? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:17:12 GMT -5
Hey, glad to hear the weight has been lifted, and good to see you back. nasty ?? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:17:41 GMT -5
I like ACIM. I never followed the course step by step, but have got a lot of time for the wisdom. Occasionally I open a page 'at random', which is what I just did, and this is the message...I think it is relevant to the O.P Title: Choose Once Again. (and the bit that leapt out) ''Choose once again if you would take your place among the saviours of the world, or would remain in hell, and hold your brothers there.'' Sure, linear space time lightworkers like you love that. ?? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:20:06 GMT -5
What you describe here though is a place of profound acceptance....where we are no longer pushing against anything....thus, actual 'way of being' reflects this. You've put the cart before the horse E. You have not yet transcended egoic need. It's only from a place of complete acceptance that we really experience the 'flow' of 'stuff just happening.' If you had actually been experiencing in such a way, the urge to report posts would not have arisen. The types of thoughts that arise have everything to do with 'how' we are experiencing. Being in the 'flow' does not lead to thoughts that say; 'this is wrong......this must be remedied.....this is unfair.' And there is nothing wrong with feeling a sense of unfairness and thus, reporting a post, but it IS important to be able to see what mind was doing when that all occurred. LOL. The unconscious one calls others unconscious. Will your delusion ever end? You are hopeless.  |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:25:19 GMT -5
Back up a few paces cowboy.  The thought to report posts did not occur in a vacuum. If you really can't see this, then This is precisely where your blind spot exists. Prior to the thought about reporting posts, there was a 'feeling' which arose in conjunction with a thought about the post(s) of Arisha's that you read. So, you really cannot connect at all with a sense of "why" you wanted to report all those posts? If so E, this explains so much. If your ability to 'see' does not extend to the thoughts/feelings behind behaviors, then clearly, you are completely unaware in terms of how and why you do what you do. This disconnect is what happens when folks who are still very much experiencing egoic need, become convinced that they have transcended the personal; A refusal to acknowledge thoughts, feelings and behaviors that are very much still based upon attachment to personal identity and storyline. The interesting thing is, none of these things are problems in & of themselves, so long as we can see them. But if we are blind to them, we are capable of behaving in ways that hurt others without even being the merest bit suspicious of the fact that we might be doing so. No, you're right. All I have to go on is your words and my observations of your actions here. IN the same way though E, you don't "really know" anything about anyone here either. I guess I just cannot imagine not being able to see the thoughts/feelings that arose behind an urge to report a series of (8!!) posts to Peter. And as such, it seems as though you are avoiding admitting that you were affected in some way by those posts. From my vantage point, it'd just be easier to say; "yeah, sure I felt a little angry there as things appeared to be unfair and I wanted to prove my point"....or "I was trying to be funny".....or "I was high/drunk and I accidentally hit the report button." ;D At some point, you might lose interest in policing your thoughts, but this will only happen when you stop hiding from yourself. At that point, you'll stop trying to justify everything you do with some sort of correct reason and purpose. In a way, it comes down to trusting yourself. As long as you're still blowing the whistle on yourself, you're going to keep blowing the whistle on everybody else. What exactly are you trusting? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:32:16 GMT -5
The thought to report the posts must have followed some sense of something....the sense that the people you were reporting were contravening forum rules in some way and also the sense that some kind of action from the moderator as a response is appropriate. Why else report them? An 'I don't know' answer to that is an unwillingness to look at the motivation. By the way, I'm not writing off the possibility that posts can be reported from a place of 'love', I have yet to report a post despite occasionally experiencing a movement to sometimes, but I don't rule out the possibility that it is ego that has me NOT reporting them! My feeling is though that you are carrying forum baggage around with you to some extent (carrying the past) and that this is linked to the reporting. Aren't you the paradox guy? Doesn't your deluded philosophy tell you to embrace it? What are you bellyaching here? Also, think about your motivation here, Andy. I do look at motivation, and have looked at my motivation here. Are you looking at yours? I actually don't see Enigma as the main problem on the forum, I see you as the main problem. In the few months that I was here prior to your arrival, Enigma was his usual self, and there was debate of course, but things kinda worked themselves out. I look at the way you speak to people here and I think its ugly....the way you spoke to Figgy here, the way you spoke to OMG the other day is just 2 examples. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:34:56 GMT -5
Actually E, my point here is not to come down hard or condemn anyone for reporting posts. That's a matter of personal preference for dealing with something that's deemed to be problematic in terms of forum experience. I tend to let things go pretty far before I'd choose to do so, however, that does not mean that I'm judging anyone harshly if they're a post reporter. What I am actually attempting to discuss, is the fact that you regard yourself as being clear enough to point out the Giraffes of others on a regular basis and yet, you have no idea whatsoever about the thoughts that arose as you read those posts and then reported them. Isn't that kind of lack of awareness about what mind is doing, what it means to be unconscious? More delusion and twisting. You just were bellyaching here, here, here, here, here about Enigma having reported posts. And now you want to go back to your one gal's opinion cop out? No one will believe you. You have been exposed. I think she is making very valid points. I am willing to bet I am not the only one. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:36:10 GMT -5
I suggest Reefs could use more unabashed hugging and kissing......he appears to be in an awfully foul mood tonight.  Yes, when the finger is pointing back at you you start the mocking. Go on. Show us more of your delusions. I would say she is dealing with your ugliness in a relatively non-reactive way. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:37:05 GMT -5
 ....... Someone got outta bed on the wrong side this morning.  You can say what you want, Figgy. It won't affect me or anyone here. Your twisted words are empty and wasted. To you or to everyone here? |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:37:54 GMT -5
Yes, when the finger is pointing back at you you start the mocking. Go on. Show us more of your delusions. I was actually hping I might get you to smile and lighten up a little.  That's what came through to me. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:39:59 GMT -5
Actually E, my point here is not to come down hard or condemn anyone for reporting posts. That's a matter of personal preference for dealing with something that's deemed to be problematic in terms of forum experience. I tend to let things go pretty far before I'd choose to do so, however, that does not mean that I'm judging anyone harshly if they're a post reporter. What I am actually attempting to discuss, is the fact that you regard yourself as being clear enough to point out the Giraffes of others on a regular basis and yet, you have no idea whatsoever about the thoughts that arose as you read those posts and then reported them. Isn't that kind of lack of awareness about what mind is doing, what it means to be unconscious? No, but I can't explain to your thought police why they are not needed when you are conscious. Their first reaction is to draw their guns. I don't think you can understand not being driven by an ongoing series of personally formed motivations. We've had this discussion before regarding posting habits. Behaviour comes from motivation, personal or not. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:40:59 GMT -5
Again, there is a world of difference between being driven by an ongoing series of personally formed motivations and being aware of what mind is doing. It's quite simple. Were you conscious when you read Arisha's posts and then reported them? You supposedly have no idea what mind was doing at the time, what feelings were present, what thoughts arose as you read those posts, so clearly not. Everybody brace yourself! Heavy twisting coming your way! LOL! How conscious were you when you were bellyaching about B? You can fool yourself, we see that in your every post. But you can't fool us anymore with your twisting. Who is this 'we' or 'us'? |
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Post by enigma on Mar 11, 2013 3:44:12 GMT -5
I do remember a sense that there needs to be some clarity as to what 'bickering' means, if that helps, but I'm not going to say that was the reason. It was just a thought. In your case, I speculate that the apparent lack of self judgment about it confounds you. If anything it would be the lack of self awareness that confounds me here. What you said here doesn't make sense in the context of you reporting the posts. I will say again that there MUST have been a sense that a forum rule was contravened unless you are just hitting 'report post' completely randomly. With that sense that a forum rule was contravened, there would have been an accompanying motivation to hit the 'report post' button. What was that motivation? Of course I knew a forum rule was contravened. Motivation.......Hmmmmmm. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 11, 2013 3:45:04 GMT -5
Ex post facto, I kinda figgered it would be, but wasn't expecting it to be. Exactly. It kicked her out of her fantasy ease peace joy trance for a second. It hit her so heavy that she even left and deleted her account. But she's going to twist that again. Wait and see. This bodymind winced when B said what was said, and I bet most people here experienced a wince. That's not because people here are deluded or unconscious. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 11, 2013 3:46:09 GMT -5
At some point, you might lose interest in policing your thoughts, but this will only happen when you stop hiding from yourself. At that point, you'll stop trying to justify everything you do with some sort of correct reason and purpose. In a way, it comes down to trusting yourself. As long as you're still blowing the whistle on yourself, you're going to keep blowing the whistle on everybody else. What exactly are you trusting? Currents in the ocean. |
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....... Someone got outta bed on the wrong side this morning. 
