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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 2:10:06 GMT -5
Although i am only up to page 40 something in this thread, i saw your latest response.
Because of the hilighted response, i have decided to end all communication with you
because i did not say 'i theorise you purposely omit emotion in your posts'. My theory is you do include emotion in your posts.
And because it appears to me you see the exact opposite of what i have said, it seems successful communication with you is currently not possible.
Our individual worlds are too far apart.
Me, Silver, others told him the same.
Of course, we have to respond to his replies if we are still here. As for me, I see it as wrong if I do not respond, and others (and those who may come to the forum) are subject to bullying and insulting in this or that way, directly or indirectly. Because they will be, sooner or later.
My decision is soley for me and there is intention that others need to follow suit or that i condemn others for their decisions.
I am aware i am different from others in that enigma's behavior does not bother me,
so it's very easy for me to end communication and maintain it regardless of what the future holds.
I wish everyone some kind of success in their dealings with enigma, but at this moment, i don't see any fruit being produced in my interactions with him.
Nor will i express any opinions of his posts, unless someone directly asks me, and there's no guarantee i will respond if asked.
It appears to me that all enigma is doing is bypassing the word police program that would modify a$$ume into some ridiculous word the the author then has to go back and modify their post.
I don't know if my observation is correct, but that's how i read it.
But if enigma was intending to insult, i simply would not be offended, so i simply would not engage any energy to confront him about it.I have chosen to end communication , not from any adverse reactions to enigma's comments, because there haven't been any.
I had a buddha type experience while in the psych ward back in 2008
and from that day on i simply do not become offended within any verbal interactions with people.
To this day i still am in awe of this surprise ability that just clicked in while at hospital.
I just find that when a person proclaims to be utterly convinced they are right about things they have actually not experienced, it's time to call it a day with them.
And just like i said to laughter. Ending communication is related to discussions of topics.
I remain open to communication, but i will not enter into lenghty discussions of topics if i see a great distance between us.EDIT: layout |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 2:38:10 GMT -5
The most ";control"; I have over emotions is not with their generation, but with the willingness to be aware of them and process them.
Do you believe you are able to control your emotional reactions to things?
I don't always agree with M-G, but I think these points that he made are something you should come empty to, and give them some time.
In that when i say something that has offended you, usually it's because we are discussing a painful sensitive subject
and i have unintentionally put my boofhead male foot in my mouth, you tell me directly and calmly, though i sense your were hurt,
that you tell me your thoughts and feelings of what i have said, and you remain open to hear my clarification that there was no intent to injure,
that it is just a typical misunderstanding that occurs in any new interaction relationship.
And because of this openeness we have with each other, we clear up these communication glitches that are natural elements of new contacts.
And i dunno about you silver, but after we have resolved these minor issues, i feel no residue resentment or any negative emotions from you that was evoked from the initial accidental bump.
Hangin' out with you is a joy. Not only are you a beautiful soul, i am also deeply impressed of your qualities that are required to explore your inner world that you do daily.
As the Cheat Commandoes would say...silver, you rock rock on!
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Post by arisha on Feb 13, 2013 2:39:28 GMT -5
What is going on with Enigma&Co is neither "seeing with clarity", nor some genuine ability to follow the chosen position. It is : 1) No Love 2)twisting left and right.
This twisting makes it possible to present any point of view in the way they choose, - and of course, they choose to call black as white and white as black, if they wish it, when sipping their coffee with lemonade.
And No Love position allows to bully right and left in cold blood. It can be a hidden bullying now as they are afraid to do it openly, and it can take abominable forms.
They seem to think they are closer to enlightenment and the stuff, maybe feel proud of themselves. But they only go deeper and deeper in the opposite direction as their being separate grows more and more.
They started speaking of the 'potential' and 'potentiality' without understanding what it is, but they keep on imagining they've realized something.
All is connected, - oh, yes, - and it can be seen how the wrong ideas create the unchangeable connections with people making them more and more deluded when they stop understanding even the obvious.
If people stop understanding what Love is, but cherish destruction and entropy instead, - the destruction and entropy grows and predominates more and more with such people.
If what I said is attacking - then what is it when people use destruction as their tool against everybody?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 3:09:40 GMT -5
Speculation that it's my favourite
I see a speculation about me unless you have absolute proof that 'specualtion' is my fav word.
Im gonna go with you do not have the ability to see inside me to know if it's my fav word or not.
However, if you mean retort as - A quick reply to a question or remark (especially a witty or critical one)
How's that working out for you?
And last but not least, a person can combine retorting and speculating at the same time.
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Post by andrew on Feb 13, 2013 3:10:28 GMT -5
No. Hang on. I am in a position which enables me to acknowledge that I might be purely speculating. One of the benefits of not 'being conscious' is that I dont start from the assumption that what I see is necessarily true. It is my opinion that there is something in what I said, I can't help my feeling about that, but its not like I've never been wrong. You ever wonder which of the two things you think you are you really are?  It sounds like you think that I think that I am two things. I'm not saying I don't think that I am two things, I'm just not sure what two things you think that I think that I am. I might say in some contexts that I am spirit in human form. That would kind of be two things, though 'spirit' isn't really a thing. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 13, 2013 4:06:33 GMT -5
I do not dispute it looks like that to you, but even this post of yours looks to me as another confirmation you are not interested in clearing up any misunderstandings.
Because you keep stating this... I just finished a lengthy post expressing how you have your intepretation, and silver has hers,
to hilight that each person has a real unique viewing position in reality that translates into a real description of what they see.
And you respond with, 'nope, her view is wrong.'
I don't see any openness to discuss the differences.
All i see is a wall with "Her interpretation of what she read was not what she read." deeply etched into it.
Of which you have every right to have and hold. E: The sky is blue. S: Why would you say the sky is green? E: I didn't say the sky is green. S: I know what I read. E: You don't know what you read. Your interpretation of what you read is not what you read. What you read is "The sky is blue." Yep this sums up your approach E. You are keen to direct people's attention to what appearances are 'objectively' appearing. I see this as a contradiction to the very idea of 'appearances'....by definition, an 'appearance' is subjective. No-one is seeing quite the same thing. I'm not saying that there isn't a time to question what someone is seeing (i.e to approach from within a context of 'objectivity') but I see this approach as really no different to the old scientific approach in which it was assumed that an objective world exists and which can be objectively studied. This is one reason the idea of 'being conscious' is flawed. It is rooted in duality. Generalizing again here, but I would say that women tend to be less interested in studying what appearances are 'objectively' appearing than men, and that's because they are more naturally connected to the whole, so there is something deeper going on for them. They 'read between the lines' a lot more. They approach life intuitively. They don't care so much what appearances 'objectively' appearing, they are looking more at subtext. They don't care what is true or false for the sake of knowing what is true or false. They are not so much interested in 'knowing the facts of the matter'. They are more interested in feeling and connecting. They respond to 'energy' as much as they do 'content'. Now, I am not saying that there is no value in what you are suggesting, because being ruled by subtext and intuition and feeling is also not healthy. So there is a balance. I have said to Silver myself that she has something to learn here, but on the other hand, I think a PRIMARY focus on what is 'objectively' appearing is very flawed. I think its like trying to push a square peg in a round hole, because we all see in slightly different ways. This is also why I think so many conversations on here go round in circles. You are consistently trying to establish what in blazes is 'actually' happening and it is rarely agreed on by all parties. Not everyone here is primarily interested primarily on focusing on external appearances. People prefer to see through the filter of a picture that takes account of 'energy'. For me too, I would say I am responding to 'energy' primarily. But I am aware that I have to be a little careful of that, and I am disciplined. I have trained myself to focus very specifically on content when required. But by your definition of 'being conscious', I am not conscious. Portto once hit the nail on the head when he described me as 'unconsciously conscious'. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 4:39:15 GMT -5
Within an experience, i consciously choose what kind of emotional response i will have.
Give me an example of an event or situation where you have consciously chosen your emotional response.
But i just noticed this one so i will answer this before i log off.
~laughs~ I just envisioned a superhero who lives on a planet that has maurading packs of logs that go around harassing the good citizens of this otherwise peaceful planet.
So what the superhero does is go out into the world defeating these nasty logs.
He does this by first diverting their attention away from the good citizens they are harrassing, by taunting these logs with things like,
"Hey, anyone fallen off you guys lately?"
"Ren and Stimpy have far superior logs than you guys ever will be."
"You guys are so stoopid you can't even flow down a river without making a mess of it. Haha, you're stoopider than water."
Yeah, logs are easily provoked, and this superhero is a bit of a douche, but he does do a good job of protecting the good citizens.
So, the logs are now way angry with the superhero and they all converge and crowd around him very tightly,
thumping up and down on the ground saying in low angry tones, "log log, angry, log log, ohh cheese, log log."
To where the superhero powers up his killer move and yells, "LOG OFF", to which all logs close to him instantly fly up into the air way beyond the gravitational pull of the planet.
"YAY", shout joyfully the good citizens.
This short story is in no way referring to any person or event in ST, i just saw the image as soon as i typed log off.
Anyways...
This is the second time in two consecutive posts you seem to me to be wanting to dictate what i should be doing.
There is no 'we are going to have to dig anything'. If you desire to explore further and you would like me to explore with you, just ask.
It seems odd to be telling me what i should or shouldn't be doing in a conversation.
Anyways, i'm all for exploration, so perhaps if you could state a particular emotion and scenario that interests you,
as i might rattle off a huge story that means nothing or little to you, and i will try to recount an experience close to your preference.
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Post by topology on Feb 13, 2013 8:36:40 GMT -5
We're going to have to dig into this because this is not what I see happening or even possible given the nature of how "choices" happen in how I observer myself.
Give me an example of an event or situation where you have consciously chosen your emotional response.
But i just noticed this one so i will answer this before i log off.
~laughs~ I just envisioned a superhero who lives on a planet that has maurading packs of logs that go around harassing the good citizens of this otherwise peaceful planet.
So what the superhero does is go out into the world defeating these nasty logs.
He does this by first diverting their attention away from the good citizens they are harrassing, by taunting these logs with things like,
"Hey, anyone fallen off you guys lately?"
"Ren and Stimpy have far superior logs than you guys ever will be."
"You guys are so stoopid you can't even flow down a river without making a mess of it. Haha, you're stoopider than water."
Yeah, logs are easily provoked, and this superhero is a bit of a douche, but he does do a good job of protecting the good citizens.
So, the logs are now way angry with the superhero and they all converge and crowd around him very tightly,
thumping up and down on the ground saying in low angry tones, "log log, angry, log log, ohh cheese, log log."
To where the superhero powers up his killer move and yells, "LOG OFF", to which all logs close to him instantly fly up into the air way beyond the gravitational pull of the planet.
"YAY", shout joyfully the good citizens.
This short story is in no way referring to any person or event in ST, i just saw the image as soon as i typed log off.
Anyways...
This is the second time in two consecutive posts you seem to me to be wanting to dictate what i should be doing.
There is no 'we are going to have to dig anything'. If you desire to explore further and you would like me to explore with you, just ask.
It seems odd to be telling me what i should or shouldn't be doing in a conversation.
Anyways, i'm all for exploration, so perhaps if you could state a particular emotion and scenario that interests you,
as i might rattle off a huge story that means nothing or little to you, and i will try to recount an experience close to your preference.
You put forward the claim of being able to choose your emotions at will. Since I have no idea what you're talking about, I asked you for an illustrative example from your life. The reason I asked for an example from your life is because you have the memory of the experience and I wanted to ask you questions which would dissect the experience to reveal its mechanics. But if that's not the way you want to go, I can give a scenario. I'm living pay check to pay check, a free lance programmer. I've put 50 unpaid hours into a project and it is almost done. My son spills a glass of water onto my laptop frying the machine. I don't have the money to pay for a new laptop or data recovery and there goes the paycheck I was expecting to cover the next month's bills. How do I choose not to have anger and frustration arise but peace, love and joy instead? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 13, 2013 11:10:23 GMT -5
Enigma agreed that how I understood his points were consistent with how he intended them.
What am I speculating about?
You have certain agendas or talking points, certain messages that you want to tell Enigma. These are sitting in the background waiting for triggers and contexts to activate their expression. When you read James' post, it sounded like one of his talking points was similar or in support of one of your talking points. You then proceeded as if James had the same talking point as you.
This is all Enigma is trying to point at:
1) You have talking points that you hold onto and throw at him.
2) You will mis-hear someone else's talking point if it is "close enough" to your own talking point. This is a mistake in perception and a misrepresentation of another person.
These are your conclusions about silver?
If you answer yes to both, then i repeat, speculation...unless you have verifiable proof.[/quote] To whom are your questions addressed? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 13, 2013 11:22:13 GMT -5
You as*ume I purposely omit my emotional reaction for some mysterious non-dual purpose.
Because of the hilighted response, i have decided to end all communication with you
because i did not say 'i theorise you purposely omit emotion in your posts'. My theory is you do include emotion in your posts.
And because it appears to me you see the exact opposite of what i have said, it seems successful communication with you is currently not possible.
Our individual worlds are too far apart.Your word lawyers are worse than Andrew's. You theorize that I purposely TRY to omit my emotional reaction. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 13, 2013 11:50:12 GMT -5
It's not just me, Silence.. there are quite a few that find it difficult to have discussions on this forum without the 'non-dual posse' derailing the process of open and honest discussion with their agendas and judgments and mockery.. So, here's another question: the "one guy", and the 'posse', 'moved on', built a Realizing Happiness sanctuary for their believers, so.. have you asked the "one guy" why he doesn't find 'Happiness' where he 'moved on' to? Be well.. I agree with you, Tzu. There are quite a few, a lot of people who also agree with you. There are just as many who disagree. I've been making distinctions here, and I see that it has helped to draw the battle lines, which was not my intention. Still, the distinctions are meaningful. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 13, 2013 12:05:12 GMT -5
This was not Enigma's only post to Silver that had the "and $X will buy you Y$". There was also this one
I want to make a distinction between what comes before the first comma and what comes after. Enigma is pointing out to Silver that she's making "I agree" posts.
The part the comes after the comma can be read with any number of colorings. It could be intended as humor. I've posted comments like that intending them humorously in the past (other forums). It could be a comment on how Enigma sees the value of those particular posts, meaning they don't do much to advance the on-topic conversations. It really depends on how the reader adds their own flavor since the statement itself is neutral.
comparitively, to me is nowhere near as indepth as your assessment of arisha.EDIT: layout Maybe there's not much to assess. Mostly, it's a bit of silliness. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 13, 2013 12:14:11 GMT -5
Although i am only up to page 40 something in this thread, i saw your latest response.
Because of the hilighted response, i have decided to end all communication with you
because i did not say 'i theorise you purposely omit emotion in your posts'. My theory is you do include emotion in your posts.
And because it appears to me you see the exact opposite of what i have said, it seems successful communication with you is currently not possible.
Our individual worlds are too far apart. It's not only you, M-G, who prefer to end all communication with E. Me, Silver, others told him the same. Of course, we have to respond to his replies if we are still here. As for me, I see it as wrong if I do not respond, and others (and those who may come to the forum) are subject to bullying and insulting in this or that way, directly or indirectly. Because they will be, sooner or later. E had been banned at all other forums as he himself said. This post of his where he says "You as*ume..." is such a hidden form of insulting which I would report to mod, but I am not sure if Peter agrees it's an insult. He may say there is nothing wrong about it (if he didn't see anything wrong in using the word 'pregnant dog' about a woman - in any context). Yes, moderation is better now on this forum, because a year ago they made one guy, Steven, be stressed so much that he got a bit crazy, I think. But all that can be done is just to stop communicating with E, and you are right about it. My comment may not have passed his word lawyering, but it's essentially what he said. He's suggesting I think I'm hiding the emotional content in my posts. I don't see any way that it could be taken as an insult, and the notion of you reporting it is absurd. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 13, 2013 12:26:34 GMT -5
It's not only you, M-G, who prefer to end all communication with E.
Me, Silver, others told him the same.
Of course, we have to respond to his replies if we are still here. As for me, I see it as wrong if I do not respond, and others (and those who may come to the forum) are subject to bullying and insulting in this or that way, directly or indirectly. Because they will be, sooner or later.
My decision is soley for me and there is intention that others need to follow suit or that i condemn others for their decisions.
I am aware i am different from others in that enigma's behavior does not bother me,
so it's very easy for me to end communication and maintain it regardless of what the future holds.
I wish everyone some kind of success in their dealings with enigma, but at this moment, i don't see any fruit being produced in my interactions with him.
Nor will i express any opinions of his posts, unless someone directly asks me, and there's no guarantee i will respond if asked.
It appears to me that all enigma is doing is bypassing the word police program that would modify a$$ume into some ridiculous word the the author then has to go back and modify their post.
I don't know if my observation is correct, but that's how i read it.
But if enigma was intending to insult, i simply would not be offended, so i simply would not engage any energy to confront him about it.Oh, I see how Arisha imagined that. Yes, your observation is correct. How can you know what I've experienced, and how can you know how 'utterly convinced' I am of anything without my telling you? |
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 13, 2013 12:34:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. I totally understand if others choose to continue communicating with enigma.
My decision is soley for me and there is intention that others need to follow suit or that i condemn others for their decisions.
I am aware i am different from others in that enigma's behavior does not bother me,
so it's very easy for me to end communication and maintain it regardless of what the future holds.
I wish everyone some kind of success in their dealings with enigma, but at this moment, i don't see any fruit being produced in my interactions with him.
Nor will i express any opinions of his posts, unless someone directly asks me, and there's no guarantee i will respond if asked.
It appears to me that all enigma is doing is bypassing the word police program that would modify a$$ume into some ridiculous word the the author then has to go back and modify their post.
I don't know if my observation is correct, but that's how i read it.
But if enigma was intending to insult, i simply would not be offended, so i simply would not engage any energy to confront him about it. Oh, I see how Arisha imagined that. Yes, your observation is correct. I have chosen to end communication , not from any adverse reactions to enigma's comments, because there haven't been any.
I had a buddha type experience while in the psych ward back in 2008
and from that day on i simply do not become offended within any verbal interactions with people.
To this day i still am in awe of this surprise ability that just clicked in while at hospital.
I just find that when a person proclaims to be utterly convinced they are right about things they have actually not experienced, it's time to call it a day with them.[/quote] In exactly the same way that you assume that you know what others think and experience.. by interpreting the words posted here and comparing them against your personal beliefs.. Be well.. |
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