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Post by silver on Feb 6, 2013 23:58:23 GMT -5
We've always been talking 2 different languages, E. Plenty of peeps have left because of your different language. But that's chipotle sauce under the bridge.  About all you and I have in common is we're never in shortage of opinions.  I don't seem to have much in the way of opinions. What opinions I do have don't seem to matter. I know this isn't a news flash, but uh how many posts? No opinions in there anywhere??? They might matter to me, if they made more sense. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 7, 2013 0:04:55 GMT -5
I don't seem to have much in the way of opinions. What opinions I do have don't seem to matter. I know this isn't a news flash, but uh how many posts? No opinions in there anywhere??? They might matter to me, if they made more sense. Yes, there are quite a few opinions in all those posts. |
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Post by silver on Feb 7, 2013 0:05:56 GMT -5
We've always been talking 2 different languages, E. Plenty of peeps have left because of your different language. But that's chipotle sauce under the bridge. About all you and I have in common is we're never in shortage of opinions. Why hoist it all on E? Are there not other posters here who contribute? Is it not up to the poster themselves to decide if the environment that exists presently is the right environment for them? Quite obviously, there's a certain spark here - of intelligent, caring, articulate people. I wish I knew what else to say that I could say. |
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Post by mamza on Feb 7, 2013 0:59:01 GMT -5
*Somersault*
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Post by silver on Feb 7, 2013 1:01:31 GMT -5
...and athletic! {Don't slap me!} ;D |
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Post by mamza on Feb 7, 2013 16:40:19 GMT -5
I dunno what's even going on in here, I just like to throw the somersaults in to break up the monotony.
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Post by silver on Feb 7, 2013 16:55:47 GMT -5
Yeah ~ much obliged, mamza.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 22:03:16 GMT -5
I think it's the other way round.
I think the messy house is a symbolic reflection of the mess inside.
Clean the inner mess and the house will stop being messy because you will be joyful to clean it.
And observing you are not in control of your emotional tension build up, simply means you are aware you currently are not in control.
You can then choose to remain out of control or regain control.
Which of course these decision paths will be influenced by your current beliefs about what is a self and do you have control of said self or not.
Do you believe you are able to control your emotional reactions to things?
Just doing my initial first read of the posts written since my last visit.
This one i choose to respond to straight way.
Topology, of course i don't believe i have the ability to control my emotions.
I think believing is a very inefficient process compared to knowing and being.
So, no, i don't believe. I don't have to when i actually do have control of my emotions.
I don't get out much, but whenever i share with others my mad skill, and other's share their experiences of self control of emotions,
it has become apparent to me that self control of emotions is not a common skill amongst the human species.
So that explains the mocking disbelieving comments people express to me when i describe my skill.
I generally do not try to prove myself via words, i simply let people observe to see for themselves that i can control my emotions.
And that it's done with effortless effort, due to the many years of self exploration and understanding of how i function in my human avatar.
And i also let people think and say whatever they want about a skill that i know i have.
Doesn't bother me one bit if someone thinks i don't have a skill that runs just shy of 24/7 in me.
Those that know me for more than the small amount of time i spend in the public section of forums,
equally know i have effortless control of my emotions.
The longer a person knows me, the more convinced they are i have this ability
because they actually see me consistantly display this skill rather than merely talk about it.
The people that are convinced i am talking bull, will not ask how they can develop their own innate ability, and so i don't have anything to say to them.
The people that are interested, will ask, and i will share the insights i gained from my experiences.
So everything balances out in a nice interconnective flow don'tcha think. EDIT: layout n spelling |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 22:24:52 GMT -5
If you have not done so yet, I would highly recommend reading the bad-poetry thread from the beginning. This provides a much needed context for the current dynamic between many of the players here. You've chosen to involve yourself, now please educate yourself. At least the first 20 pages, but it would be best to continue until past the point where Silver says she feels like an Atom-Bomb went off in her head and I helped her see that neither Reefs nor Enigma put that atom bomb there. |
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Post by topology on Feb 7, 2013 22:55:52 GMT -5
If you have not done so yet, I would highly recommend reading the bad-poetry thread from the beginning. This provides a much needed context for the current dynamic between many of the players here. You've chosen to involve yourself, now please educate yourself. At least the first 20 pages, but it would be best to continue until past the point where Silver says she feels like an Atom-Bomb went off in her head and I helped her see that neither Reefs nor Enigma put that atom bomb there. Someone uttering their favorite word. |
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Post by topology on Feb 7, 2013 22:56:45 GMT -5
The most "control" I have over emotions is not with their generation, but with the willingness to be aware of them and process them. Do you believe you are able to control your emotional reactions to things?
Just doing my initial first read of the posts written since my last visit.
This one i choose to repond to straight way.
Topology, of course i don't believe i have the ability to control my emotions.
I think believing is a very inefficient process compared to knowing and being.
So, no, i don't believe. I don't have to when i actually do have control of my emotions.
I don't get out much, but whenever i share with others my mad skill, and other's share their experiences of self control of emotions,
it has become apparent to me that self control of emotions is not a common skill amongst the human species.
So that explains the mocking disbelieving comments people express to me when i describe my skill.
I generally do not try to prove my self via words, i simply let people observe to see for themselves that i can control my emotions.
And that it's done with effortless effort, due to the many years of self exploration and understanding of how i function in my human avatar.
And i also let people think and say whatever they want about a skill that i know i have.
Doesn't bother me one bit if someone thinks i don't have a skill that runs just shy of 24/7 in me.
Those that know me for more than the small amount of time i spend in the public section of forums,
equally know i have effortless control of my emotions.
The longer a person knows me, the more convinced they are i have this ability
because they actually see me consistantly display this skill rather than merely talk about it.
The people that are convinced i am talking bull, will not ask how they can develop their own innate ability, and so i don't have anything to say to them.
The people that are interested, will ask, and i will share the insights i gained from my experiences.
So everything balances out in a nice interconnective flow don'tcha think. Please define/describe/exemplify control of emotion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 4:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 4:08:51 GMT -5
~waves~ 'ello everybody!
Just doing my initial first read of the posts written since my last visit.
This one i choose to repond to straight way.
Topology, of course i don't believe i have the ability to control my emotions.
I think believing is a very inefficient process compared to knowing and being.
So, no, i don't believe. I don't have to when i actually do have control of my emotions.
I don't get out much, but whenever i share with others my mad skill, and other's share their experiences of self control of emotions,
it has become apparent to me that self control of emotions is not a common skill amongst the human species.
So that explains the mocking disbelieving comments people express to me when i describe my skill.
I generally do not try to prove my self via words, i simply let people observe to see for themselves that i can control my emotions.
And that it's done with effortless effort, due to the many years of self exploration and understanding of how i function in my human avatar.
And i also let people think and say whatever they want about a skill that i know i have.
Doesn't bother me one bit if someone thinks i don't have a skill that runs just shy of 24/7 in me.
Those that know me for more than the small amount of time i spend in the public section of forums,
equally know i have effortless control of my emotions.
The longer a person knows me, the more convinced they are i have this ability
because they actually see me consistantly display this skill rather than merely talk about it.
The people that are convinced i am talking bull, will not ask how they can develop their own innate ability, and so i don't have anything to say to them.
The people that are interested, will ask, and i will share the insights i gained from my experiences.
So everything balances out in a nice interconnective flow don'tcha think. Please define/describe/exemplify control of emotion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 5:57:38 GMT -5
I would be the one "beating his wife" in the scenario. But it would be more like my wife was saying "Why are you beating me?" when all I did was try to help her adjust her posture. Thanks for what looks like to me to be a clear example of justification to remain abusive.
Specifically:
What are you seeing as abusive?
all he thinks he is doing is some chiropractic work on her back.
Unless the wife is a near total retard, surely the wife knows the difference between the pain of slightly forceful back manipulation and being pummeled by her husband.
However, if the husband thinks the wife is delusional when she claims he's being abusive when all he sees is he is applying chiropractic measures,
and the wife in not a near total retard, she should simply end the relationship because the husband is convinced he's right and his wife is wrong.
Back to the situation between you and silver.
If silver feels hurt by your style, and expresses she feels hurt, and you are convinced there is nothing wrong with your "pushing" style,
thus you have no intention to change, it seems logical to me that silver should stop interacting with you because it seems you are convinced
that when silver feels pain, it's part of the process towards whatever it is you are trying to get silver to obtain.
It has been my experience that it is human nature to either recoil back into a safe defensive position when hurt by someone, or rise up and attack back.
I am assuming here silver...if silver has recoiled back to a defensive position from your pushing,
it seems counter productive to claim she is blackmailing when she expresses her pain and asks if you could change your style.
It seems a highly irrational conclusion to me, to poke someone, then claim they are blackmailing when they ask you to stop poking them.
But i imagine it's not irrational to the person who thinks poking is the correct way to interact with someone
who they regard as unconscious of themself and they need a good poke to wake them up.
It seems to me that "You are trying to blackmail" comes from a defensive position, and it's their personal style/process that is being defended.
The stance is, "My process is correct, the complaining about it is wrong and i will not change because i know this is the best thing for you."
"The more you complain, it simply re-enforces my belief this is the correct process and style."
Personally, you or anyone else can remain attached to whatever style or process you deem is correct.
Though every now and then i will share my observations of some of the things you and others say about concepts and others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 6:13:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi Top: That is what is being talked about occasionally, but.. mostly there's a small group/club that is trying to enforce their 'beliefs about' what should be interpreted from the " practical approach to living".. i am not familiar "ATAing", but i am familiar with 'paying attention' as you suggest, and i find it most consistently appropriate for seeing/experiencing 'what is'.. Those that 'shout-down' the experiences and understandings of others with intimidation, mockery, and "tough love", with the agenda of convincing others that their 'interpretations/beliefs' are superior , but who refuse to engage in discussions absent the "intimidation, mockery, and "tough love", equate with 'spiritual bullies'.. This forum degrades into petty bickering largely due to a select few that insist their's is the the only valid 'way', while resisting any opportunity for open, honest, and respectful discussion.. but, the opportunity for a softer kinder forum is to let go of the need to engage the 'select few'.. they feed on the conflict they create.. Be well.. The petty bickering is the result of focusing on 'noticing' and deconstruction with egos that are too strong to even recognize the focus. The approach is misinterpreted as intimidation, mockery, tough love, agendas and bullying, which then determines the response.
That you interpret your style as A, and some others interpret your style as Z.
That if you see it as A does not mean the Z they see was due to misinterpretation.
It simply means their interpretation is not the same as yours.
So the classifying of another's interpretation as misinterpretation seems to comes from a mindset that you see your interpretation as right and theirs is wrong.
That your reasoning or clarity of sight is sound and the other's is not.
Seems evident to me by your constant labeling of other's observations as "giraffe spotting", but you have no derogatory name for your observations.
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