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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 0:38:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. Good evening.. Dear Tzu: How can that kind of hearsay be of help to you? All is well.. If the sharing is honest and sincere, it can reveal the relationship between someone's beliefs and the quality of their existence.. if the quality of their existence is clear, peaceful, and harmonious it may serve as inspiration for others to explore the beliefs claimed to cause the desired quality of existence.. Speaking from my personal perspective, i am better able to sense the relationship between the claims of beliefs and the claims of the beliefs' effects, through the experiencer's understanding of their day-to-day interactions with Life, rather than the experiencer's recital of mantras and talking points.. Rather than the customary spiritual intellectualization of beliefs, and the competitive intellectualization that often follows, or the 'at all costs' campaign to ensure the preferred beliefs are perceived as superior to other beliefs.. rather than that level of attachment and distortion, i favor the experiencer's accounts of clear, peaceful, and harmonious experiences in their day-to-day Life, and their understanding of how their beliefs influenced that condition.. but, that's just 'me', i suppose there are those that favor the endless bickering of theoretical belief comparisons.. Be well.. My suggestion would be to dismiss any and all claims to one's state of mind, level of happiness, peace, harmony, clarity, et al. All of these are subjective personal evaluations, relative and likely biased or even imagined from scratch. Surely it's clear to most that such personal evaluation of either self or other is usually highly unreliable. Personal claims are not useful to others. I also don't suggest the use of intellectualization of beliefs or theoretical belief comparison. All that can be suggested is that one look for themselves, honestly and openly. This includes the ideas that may seem like nonsense, cuz even if it is, in that looking there may well be some clarity.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 1, 2013 0:41:12 GMT -5
Good evening.. Greetings.. If the sharing is honest and sincere, it can reveal the relationship between someone's beliefs and the quality of their existence.. if the quality of their existence is clear, peaceful, and harmonious it may serve as inspiration for others to explore the beliefs claimed to cause the desired quality of existence.. Speaking from my personal perspective, i am better able to sense the relationship between the claims of beliefs and the claims of the beliefs' effects, through the experiencer's understanding of their day-to-day interactions with Life, rather than the experiencer's recital of mantras and talking points.. Rather than the customary spiritual intellectualization of beliefs, and the competitive intellectualization that often follows, or the 'at all costs' campaign to ensure the preferred beliefs are perceived as superior to other beliefs.. rather than that level of attachment and distortion, i favor the experiencer's accounts of clear, peaceful, and harmonious experiences in their day-to-day Life, and their understanding of how their beliefs influenced that condition.. but, that's just 'me', i suppose there are those that favor the endless bickering of theoretical belief comparisons.. Be well.. Dear Tzu: So you would rather share how you prepare your oatmeal instead of philosophizing about a still mind? All is well..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 1, 2013 1:16:16 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. If the sharing is honest and sincere, it can reveal the relationship between someone's beliefs and the quality of their existence.. if the quality of their existence is clear, peaceful, and harmonious it may serve as inspiration for others to explore the beliefs claimed to cause the desired quality of existence.. Speaking from my personal perspective, i am better able to sense the relationship between the claims of beliefs and the claims of the beliefs' effects, through the experiencer's understanding of their day-to-day interactions with Life, rather than the experiencer's recital of mantras and talking points.. Rather than the customary spiritual intellectualization of beliefs, and the competitive intellectualization that often follows, or the 'at all costs' campaign to ensure the preferred beliefs are perceived as superior to other beliefs.. rather than that level of attachment and distortion, i favor the experiencer's accounts of clear, peaceful, and harmonious experiences in their day-to-day Life, and their understanding of how their beliefs influenced that condition.. but, that's just 'me', i suppose there are those that favor the endless bickering of theoretical belief comparisons.. Be well.. My suggestion would be to dismiss any and all claims to one's state of mind, level of happiness, peace, harmony, clarity, et al. All of these are subjective personal evaluations, relative and likely biased or even imagined from scratch. Surely it's clear to most that such personal evaluation of either self or other is usually highly unreliable. Personal claims are not useful to others. I also don't suggest the use of intellectualization of beliefs or theoretical belief comparison. All that can be suggested is that one look for themselves, honestly and openly. This includes the ideas that may seem like nonsense, cuz even if it is, in that looking there may well be some clarity. I agree with most of what you have posted, here.. particularly the second paragraph. The first paragraph relates my practice relative to people's claims of 'true/truth', i dismiss them for personal bias and lack of clarity.. otherwise, i allow people's claims of process/result to be looked at for consistency with what 'is' In general, i 'pay attention' to what others' claim, allowing clarity to reveal what usefulness may be present.. and, i 'pay attention' to how their claims are revealed in their interactions with others.. if their claims are inconsistent with their interactions with others, it is more likely than not that they do not believe their own claims.. in this way, personal claims are useful to others as a cautionary reference.. where clarity would illuminate consistency between belief, claim, and deed.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 1, 2013 1:24:20 GMT -5
Good evening.. Greetings.. If the sharing is honest and sincere, it can reveal the relationship between someone's beliefs and the quality of their existence.. if the quality of their existence is clear, peaceful, and harmonious it may serve as inspiration for others to explore the beliefs claimed to cause the desired quality of existence.. Speaking from my personal perspective, i am better able to sense the relationship between the claims of beliefs and the claims of the beliefs' effects, through the experiencer's understanding of their day-to-day interactions with Life, rather than the experiencer's recital of mantras and talking points.. Rather than the customary spiritual intellectualization of beliefs, and the competitive intellectualization that often follows, or the 'at all costs' campaign to ensure the preferred beliefs are perceived as superior to other beliefs.. rather than that level of attachment and distortion, i favor the experiencer's accounts of clear, peaceful, and harmonious experiences in their day-to-day Life, and their understanding of how their beliefs influenced that condition.. but, that's just 'me', i suppose there are those that favor the endless bickering of theoretical belief comparisons.. Be well.. Dear Tzu: So you would rather share how you prepare your oatmeal instead of philosophizing about a still mind?
All is well..Yes, based on the way you have asked the question.. what's to 'philosophize' about a still mind? i prepare my oatmeal with a still mind, very attentively, 'feeling' the experience and experiencing its relationship with the fullness of existence.. How do you prepare your oatmeal, or your breakfast of choice? Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Feb 1, 2013 1:54:36 GMT -5
Good evening.. Good evening.. Yes, based on the way you have asked the question.. what's to 'philosophize' about a still mind? i prepare my oatmeal with a still mind, very attentively, 'feeling' the experience and experiencing its relationship with the fullness of existence.. How do you prepare your oatmeal, or your breakfast of choice? Be well.. I never do breakfast. I throw in some veggies or bananas till noon. Food is fuel. Although I like the taste explosions that come from throwing different fruits and veggies together. All is well..
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 3:52:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. My suggestion would be to dismiss any and all claims to one's state of mind, level of happiness, peace, harmony, clarity, et al. All of these are subjective personal evaluations, relative and likely biased or even imagined from scratch. Surely it's clear to most that such personal evaluation of either self or other is usually highly unreliable. Personal claims are not useful to others. I also don't suggest the use of intellectualization of beliefs or theoretical belief comparison. All that can be suggested is that one look for themselves, honestly and openly. This includes the ideas that may seem like nonsense, cuz even if it is, in that looking there may well be some clarity. I agree with most of what you have posted, here.. particularly the second paragraph. The first paragraph relates my practice relative to people's claims of 'true/truth', i dismiss them for personal bias and lack of clarity.. otherwise, i allow people's claims of process/result to be looked at for consistency with what 'is' In general, i 'pay attention' to what others' claim, allowing clarity to reveal what usefulness may be present.. and, i 'pay attention' to how their claims are revealed in their interactions with others.. if their claims are inconsistent with their interactions with others, it is more likely than not that they do not believe their own claims.. in this way, personal claims are useful to others as a cautionary reference.. where clarity would illuminate consistency between belief, claim, and deed.. Be well.. By the time one interprets another's words, and then actions, and compares the two, there may be nothing but fantasy remaining. Does everyone on this forum make the same interpretations of everyone else in that regard? It's seriously subjective.
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 1, 2013 10:14:43 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I agree with most of what you have posted, here.. particularly the second paragraph. The first paragraph relates my practice relative to people's claims of 'true/truth', i dismiss them for personal bias and lack of clarity.. otherwise, i allow people's claims of process/result to be looked at for consistency with what 'is' In general, i 'pay attention' to what others' claim, allowing clarity to reveal what usefulness may be present.. and, i 'pay attention' to how their claims are revealed in their interactions with others.. if their claims are inconsistent with their interactions with others, it is more likely than not that they do not believe their own claims.. in this way, personal claims are useful to others as a cautionary reference.. where clarity would illuminate consistency between belief, claim, and deed.. Be well.. By the time one interprets another's words, and then actions, and compares the two, there may be nothing but fantasy remaining. Does everyone on this forum make the same interpretations of everyone else in that regard? It's seriously subjective. It is 'the other half of the equation', the 'other side of living'.. there is direct experience of our own personal existence, and the subjectivity of interpreting interactions with the personal experiences of others.. this is the hand we are dealt at the great poker table of Life.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 15:39:26 GMT -5
How so? Specifically: What are you seeing as abusive? Apologies, M-G made big boo boo. The mistake i made was to think of two things at the same time. I was thinking and writing my post and also looking out my window and thinking it's that wonderful time of the day again when i go for a nice zen walk on the traintrack. So i hastily posted and it wasn't a minute or so on the track that i realized i left a whole bunch of stuff out. Will clarify next time i log on at home, as the library is busy and i don't like hoggin' when there are many others who want to use dem putas. ~laughs~ "log", "hog". <---M-G likes the symmetry. Ran out of time this morning, Huge PM in another forum and a huge response to laughter took all my 4 hrs today. Will try again to clarify the blackmail issue next time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 16:16:35 GMT -5
Banging two brain cells together is enough to logically conclude it does take a lot of effort to compose a huge post. In other words...duh, obvious. I will add that it also takes a lot of effort to compose any size post so that it reaches the inner being of the person one is addressing. That is, to speak in such a way as the other openly and welcomingly receives it and values it. And that comes from also taking a lot of effort in actually listening to the other, instead of the quick and easy path of assuming and thus causing all forms of drama. Perhaps upon seeing that i read and reply to posts that you regard as not worth reading or replying to, it might be slowly dawning on you that your opinion/conclusion/judgement/assessment/whatever of others is simply yours and may not be a universal truth. My experience is quite different. It takes no effort for me to post. That logically makes no sense to me as even effortless effort is still effort.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 16:26:24 GMT -5
Apologies, M-G made big boo boo. The mistake i made was to think of two things at the same time. I was thinking and writing my post and also looking out my window and thinking it's that wonderful time of the day again when i go for a nice zen walk on the traintrack. So i hastily posted and it wasn't a minute or so on the track that i realized i left a whole bunch of stuff out. Will clarify next time i log on at home, as the library is busy and i don't like hoggin' when there are many others who want to use dem putas. ~laughs~ "log", "hog". <---M-G likes the symmetry. Full cup? What does the cup symbolise? What, out of all the elements in my post, is in this cup? To me the statement "full cup" can be connected to so many different things, that your question is vague to me. Of course you know exactly what the cup refers to in relation to what you see. But i am not you, i cannot see what you see, i don't reason as you do, i don't conclude as you do. Regardless of size of statement, you have not made your meaning clear to me at all.
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Post by arisha on Feb 1, 2013 23:08:36 GMT -5
No, he did. The whole book is just one weak farting. You got that from reading the first sentence? Yes, I did. I never read the book if eveything is clear from the first sentence. After I had read that " it was not easy for the author to be an ego, but he must talk as an ego in order to communicate", - I stopped reading. He was, still is, and always will be an ego. But he is trying to pretend he is some specia guy, al non-ego, and the whole story is just a very weak farting of his about nothing. Look at the table of contents. "Shares with the World". What can such a guy share in his book except farting? I suppose all he has is the money, and nothing else. So, he is just a well-provided guy who is entertaining himself with his sharing about nothing, and he is stupid enough to declare himself egoless, and full of bliss. His bliss will end as soon as his money end, and he has no food to eat. Then he will certainly realize that his ego is with him, and it has never left him.
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Post by arisha on Feb 1, 2013 23:22:57 GMT -5
Tomatoes aren't native to West Texas. We've been using a distributor, Tomatoes International. I've asked where their supplier is. Either the packaging is wrong or the distance is just too great, but the tomatoes from russia just don't seem to survive the trip. Помидоры из России в Техасе?? Oh, you know Russian?
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Post by whiteshaman on Feb 1, 2013 23:30:42 GMT -5
You got that from reading the first sentence? Yes, I did. I never read the book if eveything is clear from the first sentence. After I had read that " it was not easy for the author to be an ego, but he must talk as an ego in order to communicate", - I stopped reading. He was, still is, and always will be an ego. But he is trying to pretend he is some specia guy, al non-ego, and the whole story is just a very weak farting of his about nothing. Look at the table of contents. "Shares with the World". What can such a guy share in his book except farting? I suppose all he has is the money, and nothing else. So, he is just a well-provided guy who is entertaining himself with his sharing about nothing, and he is stupid enough to declare himself egoless, and full of bliss. His bliss will end as soon as his money end, and he has no food to eat. Then he will certainly realize that his ego is with him, and it has never left him. Nothing in life 'is' and 'always will be'. Whenever I found myself making such a stance, it has always been a clue that I 'needed' to make such a stance. So regardless of the subject 'ego', how can you know what 'always' will be? You can't, so therefore you are saying it for a reason........would you agree?
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Post by arisha on Feb 1, 2013 23:30:47 GMT -5
The irony is that what Lester discovered is that loving everything is the answer, which sounds a bit like Arisha talk, but looks nothing like Arisha walk. I wonder what makes you think that Lester has discovered anything. Because he said so? My walk has nothing to do with his talk, that's for sure.
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Post by arisha on Feb 1, 2013 23:39:48 GMT -5
Trying to be less egoistic - doesn't matter if it is done intentionally or not - will by no means create more Love than ATAing, noticing, etc. which may directly or indirectly be egoistic actions, and in this case they not only do not create Love, but create less Love.
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